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Re: Releases
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Aleksey turned me on to this one on the first of the month. Real revelation for me 'cause I'd previously been assuming that a platform launch bridle needed to connect at the hips and was thinking that the required cable would be more slop than I cared to deal with.
This - with the connection at the chest (just like the Koch) is a REALLY ELEGANT solution. Totally insane to platform tow with any technology south of this.
Another nice illustration of just how much of a nonissue it is to make an easy reach for a nose release.
We don't see the separation in this one but good looks at the hardware and coming off the truck. Lotsa frames in this sequence that are of no value with respect to the tow but the lighting and colors are beautiful and it's fun seeing the terrain at this totally unknown to most of us flying site.
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Aleksey turned me on to this one on the first of the month. Real revelation for me 'cause I'd previously been assuming that a platform launch bridle needed to connect at the hips and was thinking that the required cable would be more slop than I cared to deal with.
This - with the connection at the chest (just like the Koch) is a REALLY ELEGANT solution. Totally insane to platform tow with any technology south of this.
Another nice illustration of just how much of a nonissue it is to make an easy reach for a nose release.
We don't see the separation in this one but good looks at the hardware and coming off the truck. Lotsa frames in this sequence that are of no value with respect to the tow but the lighting and colors are beautiful and it's fun seeing the terrain at this totally unknown to most of us flying site.
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- Tad Eareckson
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Re: Releases
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Can't release the tow line
Ain't it just great the way that once every decade or two a leader in this sport will plan to do something he thinks will improve his personal setup.
- So if it jams in an emergency situation - which is when Sir Isaac, Murphy, fatality reports all say it's most likely to - just make the easy reach to your doubly loaded backup release. You'll be fine. The massive survival edge this thing gives you will no longer be a relevant issue.
There are better, bulletproof ways of doing this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/8311348069/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/8312399698/
barrel release. That sucker in those photos is under a four hundred pound direct load and still pretty easily operable.
There IS NO "curved/straight" pin ARGUMENT. It's like the evolution versus intelligent design ARGUMENT. People with functional brains versus a bunch of brain dead since birth twats.
Can't release the tow line
Yeah Billo. Like if you can't make the easy reach the bent pin piece o' shit on your right shoulder - or pry it open if you get there - put another one just like it on your left. Twice as many times doing the same thing, twice the likelihood of success. The ground's the limit.William Olive - 2015/06/06 16:01:49 UTC
Newcastle, Australia
Some fly with a barrel release on each side as a redundant system.
Please don't delay. I don't think I could stand hearing about you getting your face smashed in at launch. And don't forget to always use an appropriate weak link with a finished length of 1.5 inches or less to increase the safety of the towing operation.Personally, I have not up 'til now, but I plan to in future.
Ain't it just great the way that once every decade or two a leader in this sport will plan to do something he thinks will improve his personal setup.
Aleksey Vilkov - 2015/06/06 19:22:53 UTCyou are wellcomeDallas Willis - 2015/06/06 00:54:50 UTC
Why is it so hard for people to make a video of their different releases to show how they actually work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFhTTb4YD0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqMyNael7Yc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePT3r0ZW54k
NICE?! Didn't you just hear how Davis has used his bent pin piece's o' shit hundreds of times without a problem and only smashed his stupid fucking face in once? Keep It Simple Stupid.Andrew Vanis - 2015/06/08 04:21:03 UTC
Nice!
- How 'bout a tow ring? It looks so pretty slick as it is that it would be just nuts to use one?Dallas Willis - 2015/06/09 01:58:15 UTC
Thanks Aleksey! I would suggest a backup barrel release on the off side. Otherwise it looks pretty slick.
- So if it jams in an emergency situation - which is when Sir Isaac, Murphy, fatality reports all say it's most likely to - just make the easy reach to your doubly loaded backup release. You'll be fine. The massive survival edge this thing gives you will no longer be a relevant issue.
There are better, bulletproof ways of doing this.
Hopefully you do not have a "BACKUP". A backup is for when a primary release fails. And there is ZERO excuse or reason for having a primary that has any possibility of failing. Hopefully you have a SECONDARY to deal with a bridle that wraps at the tow ring (that you don't have). But for a one point (pilot only) system like this you can EASILY - and SHOULD - configure to eliminate any possibility of a wrap. Don't go out of your way to defeat this pretty cool mechanism.Aleksey Vilkov - 2015/06/09 06:23:47 UTC
Actually I have the backup pin mounted in the right side.
A good barrel release is a million times better than this hitch pin job. I one hundred percent guarantee you this thing will not be operable under any significant load. And when you're not under any significant load you well may do just fine staying connected. And that barrel release is a big step backwards from THIS:http://content.foto.my.mail.ru/mail/birukobu/186/h-191.jpg
The barrel release is better and I will istall it for next flight.
http://www.deltaplanerizm.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=1407&mode=view
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/8311348069/
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barrel release. That sucker in those photos is under a four hundred pound direct load and still pretty easily operable.
Kinda the way Zack Marzec killed the weak link as pitch and lockout versus overload protector, huh Jim?Jim Gaar - 2015/06/09 13:34:39 UTC
That kills the "curved/straight" pin argument
There IS NO "curved/straight" pin ARGUMENT. It's like the evolution versus intelligent design ARGUMENT. People with functional brains versus a bunch of brain dead since birth twats.
Fascinating. It's obviously got a PIN - asshole. How are you envisioning this thing working? Heavily starching the last couple inches of the webbing? Think they could do a bent pin version to keep you, Davis, Paul, Lauren, Trisa, Rooney, Ryan happy?Interesting, a barrel without a pin...
Nah, ya just inject it with Viagra every four hours of your flying day.Is there any reinforcement inside the webbing that is inserted in the barrel?
I have no idea, Rodie. I can't figure out how to click in the link for the information decimation either.Are the mouth releases for sale and if so how much and where?
Do try to avoid doing anything to increase that motherfucker's odds of staying in the gene pool.Aleksey Vilkov - 2015/06/10 05:59:46 UTC
barrel release w/o pin
There are a piece of short pipe inside the webbing. Teh pipe is about 1/3" diameter and 2" long.
And yes, mouth release is for sale. I sent to you PM.
Cheers!
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Re: Releases
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32776
Can't release the tow line
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/8331328638/
to make sure it has JUST the right amount of bend - not too little, not too much.
And always use a really safe weak link in case accidental glue HAS bonded the barreled parts. That way in an emergency situation you can signal your driver to floor it. Instant hands free release.
Hey Joe...
How 'bout figuring out what's going on in the REAL world, looking at what people actually operating in it have done to make shit bulletproof, not solving totally imaginary problems with totally deadly solutions?
And that being The Davis Show nobody even says anything. Precisely twenty-four hours when I click this in and not a peep.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25015
Zippy pounds in
Can't release the tow line
And then match the pin to one on your parachute container...Joe Faust - 2015/06/11 16:35:46 UTC
Note on barrel release: Exercise and clean the parts' faces that fit into the barrel.
Accidental glue would bond the barreled parts. Consider wax or silicone release spray just on the parts' faces that face each other to maintain full non-accidental bonding of the barreled part faces.
Exercise the operation prior to flight to verify that no accidental material has entered the barrel that might bond the faces that would need to be parted during release operation.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/8331328638/
to make sure it has JUST the right amount of bend - not too little, not too much.
And don't worry about what's gonna happen in a slack line situation. (And you can volunteer to replace the thread each tow.)Consider a breaking weak thread to keep the barrel into position; upon pulling the barrel, the very weak keep thread would break and let the operation occur.
And always use a really safe weak link in case accidental glue HAS bonded the barreled parts. That way in an emergency situation you can signal your driver to floor it. Instant hands free release.
Hey Joe...
How 'bout figuring out what's going on in the REAL world, looking at what people actually operating in it have done to make shit bulletproof, not solving totally imaginary problems with totally deadly solutions?
And that being The Davis Show nobody even says anything. Precisely twenty-four hours when I click this in and not a peep.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25015
Zippy pounds in
Davis Straub - 2011/09/02 18:37:09 UTC
Concussions are in fact very serious and have life long effects. The last time I was knocked out what in 9th grade football. I have felt the effects of that ever since. It changes your wiring.
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Re: Releases
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- Alive and survived the late spring floods with at least his Sport 2 155 intact.
- Still flying AT.
Bad news:
Flying in association with Cowboy Up mega-asshole tandem thrill ride operators Bart Weghorst and Tiki Mashy and with his life potentially in the hands of aforementioned mega-assholes and their Dragonfly tow mast breakaway protector.
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Looks like a half twist at the secondary bridle assembly's center. Not a real issue of concern but...
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Hand's off the basetube, LOTSA movement involved. Yeah, could've blown it with his hand on the basetube if he'd needed to but slap-on cable is NOT the way this job should be done. Sickening that ALL of these glider manufacturer motherfuckers REFUSE to do the job right.
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Love watching that bridle feed through.
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Ya got your barrels backwards, Zack. Port - red / Starboard - green. Just like the running lights.
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Wharton Regional Airport - ARM - 29°15'15.16" N 096°09'15.87" W
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Could practice tighter approaches - but you'll probably never need one.
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Mild bonk on an easily skiddable surface. KISS. We are NEVER gonna be able to do these foot landings consistently enough to be worth anything.
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Ended up back prone with your hands on the basetube anyway.
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Good news:Zack C - 2015/06/08 15:32 UTC
Light wind, smooth air, and good lift all the way to base at 5,100'.
Tripped on the high grass on landing...
- Alive and survived the late spring floods with at least his Sport 2 155 intact.
- Still flying AT.
Bad news:
Flying in association with Cowboy Up mega-asshole tandem thrill ride operators Bart Weghorst and Tiki Mashy and with his life potentially in the hands of aforementioned mega-assholes and their Dragonfly tow mast breakaway protector.
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Looks like a half twist at the secondary bridle assembly's center. Not a real issue of concern but...
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Great to see my beautiful seamless primary bridle still in action.
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Hand's off the basetube, LOTSA movement involved. Yeah, could've blown it with his hand on the basetube if he'd needed to but slap-on cable is NOT the way this job should be done. Sickening that ALL of these glider manufacturer motherfuckers REFUSE to do the job right.
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Love watching that bridle feed through.
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Ya got your barrels backwards, Zack. Port - red / Starboard - green. Just like the running lights.
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Wharton Regional Airport - ARM - 29°15'15.16" N 096°09'15.87" W
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Could practice tighter approaches - but you'll probably never need one.
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Mild bonk on an easily skiddable surface. KISS. We are NEVER gonna be able to do these foot landings consistently enough to be worth anything.
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Ended up back prone with your hands on the basetube anyway.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=27415
Friday the 19th with Hawks & Friends!
Jump to top:NMERider - 2012/10/24 21:47:05 UTC
I have to say that landing on the wheels is so much fun it's not funny.
http://www.kitestrings.org/post8074.html#p8074
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Re: Releases
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32776
Can't release the tow line
Can't release the tow line
Gordon Marshall - 2013/07/02 22:58:18 UTC
York, Western Australia
Use a Llinknife, they work every time and it simply does not matter how much tension is on the line.[/quote
]Any of them related to Peter Birren's award winning Wishful Thinking Actuation System? Possibly coupled with his Infallible Weak Link not breaking when it was supposed to?Bill Cummings - 2015/07/22 19:13:28 UTC
I have had three separate Link Knife release failures. In other words three different causes.
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Re: Releases
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=33185
Hazy DayThermals July 4, 2015 Cloud 9 Michigan Hang Gliding
Hazy DayThermals July 4, 2015 Cloud 9 Michigan Hang Gliding
Bob Grant - 2015/07/24 00:28:30 UTC
Nice to see that you've a "release" within easy reach there, Tom.Tom Lyon - 2015/07/24 04:25:48 UTC
Hey, that's me on my very first aerotow launch with my new Falcon 4 195.
Indeed!Thanks for sharing the photo, SkyDog.
Fuck you, Tom.I have had a fantastic experience learning to aerotow with Tracy and Lisa at Cloud 9 and highly recommend them as instructors.
Thought you guys are fast learners and over-achievers and might just know something about it.I soloed after 13 tandems (but I had some tandems many years ago and am also a sailplane pilot with about 100 aerotows) and have enjoyed gaining confidence and moving up to more active air.
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Re: Releases
The release is good enough. At Cloud 9 they use a weak link for which they have an expectation of breaking as early as possible in lockout situations, but being strong and reliable enough to avoid frequent breaks from turbulence. It is the same expectation of performance that they have for the weak links they use for towing sailplanes - and had for the 130 pound Greenspot just before everybody became happy with 200 pound Greenspot.
Besides, Tom only makes very shallow banked correction turns below two hundred feet and lockouts almost always involve steeply banked turns. And above two hundred nothing much matters so what the hell.
Besides, Tom only makes very shallow banked correction turns below two hundred feet and lockouts almost always involve steeply banked turns. And above two hundred nothing much matters so what the hell.
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Re: Releases
Yeah. This makes ALL other configurations for non platform (increasing tow angle) surface towing totally fucking obsolete - both foot and dolly launch. The stuff that Steve Kinsley and I developed for secondary and one point aerotow would be more elegant for dolly but this is the definite better solution for the first stage in a foot launch and totally effective for dolly. The Koch two stage just became expensive, heavy, overbuilt, dangerous junk.Aleksey Vilkov - 2015/08/02 14:39:56 UTC
Hi Tad!
Yesterday we were towing again with statik line. It was very windy day and I decided do not fly with my Combat, but go driving my car to tow other pilots. At the video you can see my friend Nicolay Deeky (Wild). I would like to pay your attention to the two stage release.
Actually there are two ordinary releases. The first one is RMR, the second one is barrel type release made with webbing (I hope you remember one of my previous letters).
So, pilot is taking off with RMR and after reaching about 150-200 meters he is connecting second release with the bridle below speedbar to the ring in the end of line using ordinary carabiner. Of course he is immediately releasing RMR and continuing towing with barrel release.
Please give my your opinion 'bout that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJLG3oUbkEg
Cheers
Alksey
And I'd like to pat myself on the back for foreseeing the potential this in-flight secondary hook-up allowed starting back at:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post3338.html#p3338
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il3YPp3Rfq8
This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMsIkAOeJ0I
SHOULDN'T happen with a Koch setup but CAN'T happen with this Russian one.
This near lockout tow:
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would've been abortable back at:
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Not likely to be a big fuckin' deal but this:
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doesn't happen.
The US was always supposed to be this individual freedoms based cauldron of creativity and innovation while the Soviet Union was the repressive centrally controlled Stalinist kleptocracy in which anything good that made headway had first been stolen from the West but look at what's actually happening - at this level anyway. Our repressive centrally controlled Stalinist kleptocracy won't even allow this stuff in as a gift.
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Gotta stay with the long track record, tried and true, Industry Standard, proven stuff that works and is typical for our sport.
This is a breath of fresh air.
Gotta bitch about something though. At least ten seconds prior to commitment with no hook-in check. You do this stuff enough times and something like THIS:
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WILL happen. And that one turned out to be a career ender. You need more than just top notch hardware to keep people from being mangled and killed at tow operations.
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Re: Releases
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32776
Can't release the tow line
- But I see you're still selling your cheap, easy reach, easily stowed, bent pin crap over there on your rag.
Fuck anybody who's selling or putting anybody up on anything inferior to this configuration. It's like setting somebody up with a thousand capacity Russian roulette revolver with one bullet when there's a zero bullet unit available for the same price. Yeah, Mike Dead-Eye Robertson, I most assuredly mean you.
Nobody who's towing with anything inferior can continue to make any claim for concern for safety.
Can't release the tow line
Aleksey Vilkov - 2015/08/03 06:17:16 UTC
Saint Petersburg
Statik line towing with two stage release.
You can see here two ordinary releases. The first one is Russian Mouth Release (RMR), the second one is barrel type release made with webbing and short peace of pipe.
So, pilot is taking off with RMR and after reaching about 150-200 meters he is connecting second release with the bridle below speedbar to the ring in the end of line using ordinary carabiner. Of course he is immediately releasing RMR and continuing towing with barrel release.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJLG3oUbkEg
- Yeah Davis, I said that already over here.Davis Straub - 2015/08/03 13:05:54 UTC
Perfect.
- But I see you're still selling your cheap, easy reach, easily stowed, bent pin crap over there on your rag.
Fuck anybody who's selling or putting anybody up on anything inferior to this configuration. It's like setting somebody up with a thousand capacity Russian roulette revolver with one bullet when there's a zero bullet unit available for the same price. Yeah, Mike Dead-Eye Robertson, I most assuredly mean you.
Nobody who's towing with anything inferior can continue to make any claim for concern for safety.
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Re: Releases
From two posts back on this thread:
- Good news: None of the deaths, broken necks, mushed brains, amputated legs that we've seen before.
- Bad news: Unhooked launches are no big fuckin' deals so why bother incorporating the hook-in check into the launch procedure (in ANY environment).
Actually... It WON'T. 'Cause the tow's so easily abortable. Duh.Tad Eareckson - 2015/08/02 18:03:48 UTC
Gotta bitch about something though. At least ten seconds prior to commitment with no hook-in check. You do this stuff enough times and something like THIS:
05-0805
12-1427
WILL happen. And that one turned out to be a career ender. You need more than just top notch hardware to keep people from being mangled and killed at tow operations.
- Good news: None of the deaths, broken necks, mushed brains, amputated legs that we've seen before.
- Bad news: Unhooked launches are no big fuckin' deals so why bother incorporating the hook-in check into the launch procedure (in ANY environment).