I'll admit that I haven't figured out Hyner.
That's OK, in the span of its entire four and a half decade history hang gliding culture hasn't been able to figure out what a landing is.
The last time I was there during the July party, it looked like a whack-fest.
ALL dead, light, switchy, turbulent LZs look like - and ARE...
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=28835
Why I don't paraglide
Tom Emery - 2013/04/17 14:29:12 UTC
Been flying Crestline about a year now. I've seen more bent aluminum than twisted risers. Every time another hang pounds in, Steven, the resident PG master, just rolls his eyes and says something like, "And you guys think hang gliding is safer."
Gil Dodgen - 1995/01
All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."
...whack-fests.
As I said before, I stay away from the place.
Shouldn't do it for that reason.
I would like to hear what the pros & cons are regarding various approaches.
Do whatever the fuck you feel like. It's an infinitely long runway so you can't overshoot unless you're a total moron. All you need to do is arrive at treetop level with lotsa speed and err on the side of more speed until you're down in ground effect. If you've got a smooth headwind or you're feeling lucky and have some spare control tubes with you go for a standup landing. If you wanna land as safely as possible do exactly what Niki does in the post I was working on when you reappeared which I'll submit before too long.
I expected a more vigorous discussion following the accident.
1. Following the what?
2.
Dennis Pagen was my wire man last time I was there and recommended the standard Hyner approach.
Ask him if he's still recommending the standard aerotow weak link and tell him to go fuck himself for me next time you see him.
The slipping 180 into the slot.
Can't argue with him on that.
There has got to be a better way.
Don't ever attempt a foot landing that isn't a total no brainer. I tried to get that crap game down over a span of 28 years and at the end I realized that it was a total scam and hated and hate myself for having gotten suckered in.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=27415
Friday the 19th with Hawks & Friends!
NMERider - 2012/10/24 21:47:05 UTC
I have to say that landing on the wheels is so much fun it's not funny.
You are depriving yourself of an enormous amount of fun. You're coming in justifiably anxious, worried, scared when you should be experiencing something that's really cool in every sane flavor of aviation.
My thinking is a long final.
Yeah, you can do that - at Hyner and damn near every other primary LZ on the planet. But then you're not practicing for short/restricted field landings. And I DESPISE long finals. They're boring in the primaries and they're extremely dangerous whenever you're playing for keeps.
THIS:
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is COOL. It LOOKS dangerous, scary but it's not. It's just FUN - and easy. Work up to it. Push your comfort zone a little each time.
For Hyner specifically...
- Pick a direction based on the ribbons and start a downwind at an appropriate level. If there's a cross, like you've said, run the downwind over the downwind side trees.
- Stay over the trees but close to the edge of the field.
- The lower you get the more you pull in. And you're going downwind so you'll see tons of groundspeed. Wanna be hearing lotsa wind too.
- When you get uncomfortably close to the treetops crank and bank. You'll wang around in a climbing turn and finish your 180 perfectly lined up on the centerline. If you don't - adjust.
- Stay prone on the fuckin' basetube planning to belly in - even if you might decide to go for a foot landing once you've trimmed out in ground effect.
- Nobody ever got hurt by diving from treetop to ground effect level too fast.
- Then you can skim forever.
- Or what I used to do a bit at Hyner... Porpoise back up. Keep pressure back on the bar as you top out to ensure that you don't exprerience a harmless inconvenience stall.
- Back down to the skim... Let the glider decide when it wants to stop flying. If you tell it to do something it doesn't wanna do it has ways of retaliating - even when it's at great cost to itself.
And you can adapt that approach to ANY restricted field.
Currently working on harvesting stills from David's video. Close enough to what I'm describing. Can't go wrong with it.
Short version...
Watch somebody doing an approach and landing that strikes you as super cool and emulate it as much as possible near the edge of your comfort zone.
P.S. Feel free to post this to The Jack Show. He's always looking for good material from other forums.
