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Re: landing

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interesting flying day (good and bad, long)
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Lauren Tjaden - 2004/04/25 13:11:16 UTC

Though not a comp day (for the regionals), Saturday's forecast looked more promising than Sunday's, so Paul and I swapped our day off and aimed to go out and have some fun. Finally bet that Ridgely would have the best conditions. The Pulpit looked cross from the right, and besides, the Temporary Flight Restrictions are in place for High Rock, so cross country of any length would be impossible.

First time I towed, I struggled to stay up 15 minutes, and no-one else excelled, either. But the 2nd time I found a line of lift. Very odd working it. Turbulent, impossible to core. I was about to give up when it occurred to me that it might be the edge of the thermal that was so rough, that the thermal might just be huge. I flew in a straight line -- gaining altitude -- for a couple of minutes. To my surprise, I was right. I reached a smooth core and then it all became easy.

Paul joined me, and at 3500 we decided to leave the airport. I have never flown XC with anyone before. Turned out with the light lift (no more than 400 up per minute, at best) we made a good team. Paul hollered at me from above when I veered off course, which I found easy to do in the blue conditions (and being a left-handed dyslexic). However, with my slow speeds and light feel, I often found lift Paul missed. I was extremely pleased to be able to contribute to the flight and get us up a couple of times, instead of just slowing Paul down.

I was afraid to cross the Choptank River, but Paul laughed and pointed out that with our 4500 feet of altitude, we could glide for miles. This flight as much fun as I've ever had. We spiraled together for an hour, helped each other, shouted encouragement, located lift.

Somewhere between 15 and 20 miles out we lost the lift big time and began to plummet towards the earth. I couldn't believe when a thermal bubbled up under my wings at only 1000 feet, over a field I had choosen to land in. Paul tried to join me but he was 500 feet lower and didn't have a chance. I watched him land as I nursed the little bubble to 1700.

Paul beaked on landing, but then his glider didn't move. I radioed but heard nothing. I began to scream for Paul and started down but still heard nothing. Finally the glider moved a foot or two, and Paul came on the radio. He said he was badly hurt and I needed to land.

Good old adrenilin; I landed 10 feet from Paul perfectly -- never hit a spot like that in my life before. Paul was really scared. He couldn't feel his arm at all when he touched it and it hung behind him at a weird angle. I was trying to unhook and turn around my glider so it wouldn't blow away, and rush to Paul, all at the same time.

Called 911 but the GPS -- for the first time ever -- had wrong mapping info and the ambulance couldn't find us. I finally bolted across the field and found a farmer who gave me the real address. In the meantime, the emergency folks sent out a helicopter to look for us. The helicopter landed about the same moment that the police and the ambulance arrived. What a circus. Cindy and George and John Muldoon and PK all drove over with our truck and helped me pack up (oh, I owe you guys forever). Paul got packed into the ambulance and driven to Seaport hospital.

Long story made shorter. Bad spiral fracture of the upper arm. Paul's probably out of riding and flying for 6 months. No immediate surgery, but the docs had to knock him out to get the cast on, so we hung out until really late. Arrived home at 300 AM. We'll see what our Orthopedic doc says.

So, I'm sorry to have lost my flying buddy when we just started to have so much fun together, but I am grateful he will be better and fine and everything can be fixed. Paul is tough, already making jokes about how he had to go break his arm just to keep me from outflying him. Good attitude. He will be fine soon. He is sleeping, is very drugged. Will have to sleep sitting up for 3 months, apparently. Interesting day, huh?

I am so tired I am hallucinating, but better get some work done here. Speck out today, fly safe.
Saturday crash
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Paul Tjaden - 2004/04/26 17:01:06 UTC

Hi everyone,

Hope all of you don't mind receiving a group mailing thanking you for your kind thoughts regarding my recent misfortune. It's a bit uncomfortable sitting at the keyboard for too long and typing with one hand is even slower than my usual snail's pace.

Thought I'd try to explain why this happened. As Lauren, wrote in her earlier post, we were having a ball working the light lift as we flew downwind together. Lauren had more than held up her end on several occasions and we were doing quite well with gains to just under 4,800 msl. I't's hard to explain how much joy there is in flying and working the sky together thousands of feet in the air with your Honey and life partner. Definitely the high point of my flying career. Anyway, we were just past 15 miles out and getting quite low for the first time. With my faster glider, I had taken the lead looking for lift and Lauren was following a couple hundred yards to my right when she radioed she had something she thought was workable. I immediately turned back towards her but hit outrageous sink as I attempted to reach her location. I managed to make it to her but had lost too much altitude and at 400 feet was unable to get back up.

There was a friendly field just below me but I could see the grass and small weeds blowing dramatically as the thermal Lauren was climbing in pulled air in from nearby. I chose the side of the field away from this disturbance and started an uneventful approach to an obvious upwind landing. Everything seemed quite normal until just before I started my round out. At that time I felt a sudden acceleration and drop and my groundspeed increased dramatically. Can't be certain, but I think it may have been the rush of air going outward from the sink usually found on the outer edge of thermals. At any rate, I suddenly found myself in a strong downwind situation. Never really had time to flare, just found myself being pounded in to the ground at fairly high speed. The soil was too soft and sandy for my wheels to roll and I whacked hard. The glider never went over on top and I didn't break or bend any aluminum so it must have not been that extreme but apparently I was thrown through the control frame violently enough to cause a spiral fracture of my left humerous.

When the dust settled, I found it difficult to get the glider off of me and to get on my feet. It was then I realized I couldn't use or feel my left arm. Looking over my left shoulder, I saw it hanging behind me at a ridiculous angle. I reached over with my right hand and grabbed my left wrist to pull it forward and, to my horror, it honestly felt like a limp peace of meat. Now don't laugh here but for a while I thought I had mangled it so badly that it was only being held on by my jacket and some sinew. It really scared the hell out of me. Apparently, the main nerve runs along the broken bone and was so traumatized that it shut down for a while. I was not completely convinced it was still attached until the feeling started returning and Lauren was able to help me out of my jacket.

About this time, I heard Lauren frantically calling to see if I was OK. I told her I was hurt badly and needed her help. She flew out of her lift at 1,700 feet and dropped in for a perfect landing not 20 feet away. Don't know what I'd have done without her. I guess I eventually would have gotten my phone out and called for help but it sure was nice having her to care for me and arrange help. Something to think about when we fly XC alone.

Guess you know the rest from Lauren's post. Looks like I'll be out of commission for some time and back to my old job as retrieve driver.

Regarding how this could have been avoided, I'm not sure what to say. When Lauren landed, the winds had returned to normal, and she touched down with a nice, steady head wind. Perhaps I kept fighting too long and should have given up at a higher altitude but that would not have changed my choice of a landing location and would have probably changed my time of landing by only a few seconds. My approach was not hurried and I felt completely organized until the final seconds. It's always exciting to land where a thermal is kicking off but we've all done it before with much better outcomes than this. Perhaps I'll have to put it down to s--t happens but considering the results, I'd sure like to think I could control this situation better should it occur again. Maybe some of you have ideas. I'd love to hear them.

Thanks again for all your posts. Yawl be careful out there and...'I'll be back''.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25536
Whoops! Snapped another tip wand :-O
NMERider - 2012/03/14 15:17:14 UTC

Jim Rooney threw a big tantrum and stopped posting here.

His one-technique-fits-all attitude espoused on the Oz Report Forum has become tiresome to read. It does not work in the fucked-up world of XC landings and weary pilots.
Christopher LeFay - 2012/03/15 05:57:43 UTC

January's canonization of Rooney as the Patron Saint of Landing was maddening. He offered just what people wanted to hear: there is an ultimate, definitive answer to your landing problems, presented with absolute authority. Judgment problems? His answer is to remove judgment from the process - doggedly stripping out critical differences in gliders, loading, pilot, and conditions. This was just what people wanted - to be told a simple answer. In thanks, they deified him, carving his every utterance in Wiki-stone.
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Re: landing

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http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=34176
Retirement Flight
Tony Williams (skyhigh123) - 2016/03/20 08:48:11 UTC
France

My father's World War 2 log book shows that he qualified in 1941 as "Average" in his 1941 Air observers Navigation Course. Still, he got the aeroplane back home from sixty missions so I guess "Average" was good enough for him and his crew.

I would describe myself as an "Average" hang glider pilot and as I'm still going at the start of my 40th hang gliding season, I hope "Average" is good enough for me to continue a bit longer.

I always fly with wheels on my Atos and usually end up using them. I'm on the point of deciding to land on wheels deliberately, all the time, rather than trying to do stand up landings and then ending up on the wheels anyway e.g.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N5NFfN6ww0
Stay on the fuckin' CONTROL bar. Notice what starts happening the instant you DON'T?
Robert Kesselring - 2016/03/20 18:11:38 UTC

Couple of questions...
Does that increase wear and tear on your harness?
Yes. Fuckin' manufacturers assume everyone has his flare timing perfected - and the air is always dead or perfectly laminar.
Is belly landing on a regular basis an issue for a chest mounted chute?
No. Is standup landing on a regular basis an issue for your nose cone, control tubes, arms, shoulders, neck?

And when are expecting to use your chute? Everybody lands one hundred percent of his flights. You're not gonna find one percent of pilots using parachutes in the course of their careers.
Greg Launt (AIRHEADSHORTCUT) - 2016/03/20 19:15:58 UTC
Lake Elsinore

Sorry to hear of your injury and I feel sad that you may be leaving the sport.
Why? He was doing what he loved. Or does that only work for people who die within the first half hour?
You have been an inspiration for many of us..and somewhat of a mentor to me. I hope to have the health, courage, and eyesight to continue what we do for many more years...but really don't think I'm that far behind you!
If you start doing shit in the air that takes courage - STOP.
Several of the folks I know have made some adjustments...many have mentioned wheel landings. Have you seen the "Deployable Tailwheel" arrangement that Rob McK (and others) are using?
No. Can you still land upright with them?
I've even seen some "armored Belly Landing" harness modifications. (Talk to Mitch)
Even. How long have we had wheels and skids on the gliders and been using them - deliberately and the two thirds of the times when our flare timing isn't perfect?
Other adjustments I've witnessed...only ridge soaring days...no mid-day landings..upright seating..and easy/big gliders. Like that Skyhawk 188 you sold me!..I still have it!...have not bent it up either.

Best wishes.
Yep. The sport's aging and we're killing off the young replacements at unsustainable rates.
Steve Corbin - 2016/03/20 20:29:55 UTC

My primary LZ is nice grass...
Everybody's is.
...and other than grass stains very little wear on the harness.
There shouldn't be EITHER. All harnesses should be totally skiddable.
When I first started wheel landing I would coast along a foot or two over the ground, gradually pushing out to hold altitude until the glider stalled.
You mean like all conventional fixed wing aircraft land?
Before the glider actually stalled I'd be sliding on the grass, and with most if not all of my weight on the ground the glider could still be flying, and with no weight applied the glider's stall speed is in the neighborhood of 8 to 10 mph. Once the wheels touch, the roll-out is only a couple/few feet.

One time my chute container got pulled open. So I now come down and let the boot drag on the ground, doing a push-up on the basetube so that about half my weight is supported by the ground, and the other half by the glider.

I use wheels large enough to make it across gopher holes. Even then I still prefer getting the glider as slow as I can before the wheels touch down. I at one time thought it was fun to let the wheels touch at a much higher speed, but then one day at Elsinore my snap together wheel came apart...
No shit.
...the corner of the bar hit and it was a nasty whack.
No shit.
If I were to use snap-on wheels again...
You wouldn't be too concerned about using or having to use them.
I would place several layers of a good tape to the circumference of the wheel.
At which point they wouldn't be snap-on wheels anymore. So what would be the point?
Anyway, no more touching down at high speed.
Oh good. Glad you can predict the future so well. Reminds me a bit of:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22540
LMFP release dysfunction
Diev Hart - 2011/07/14 17:19:12 UTC

I have had issues with them releasing under load. So I don't try to release it under a lot of load now.
No matter what system is used, Murphy is always waiting for his chance to fulfill his own prophecy, Because Fate is the Hunter, we must leave Nothing by Chance.
But don't worry, Murphy considers downwind landings off limits as far as "the worst possible time" parameter is concerned.
I think some old leading edge Mylar or milk jug material can be used to make a simple velcro on "apron" that would effectively protect the harness. I made a short XC and got flushed and ended up landing on pavement.
Oh wow. Something that went up came back down. Who'da thunk.
That definitely put some wear on that harness.
Hope it was worth it. Me? A two hundred miler with that ending wouldn't have been worth it.
I try to set down with no crab angle, so as to avoid placing side loads on the wheels...
What? No confidence in the snap-ons, duct tape?
...and also to avoid a "ground loop". Last second roll corrections often introduce a yaw, so ground loops aren't uncommon.

So far, it's looking good. It is a lot of fun ground skimming, but my own rule is to hold my chest mounted chute up off the ground as long as I can, and always land with as little ground speed as possible, in an effort to thwart mean old Mr. Murphy.
Landing with as little groundspeed as possible also means landing with as little airspeed as possible. There can be downsides to that. I don't want my options constrained by either crappy landing gear or crappy surfaces.
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Re: landing

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http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=34176
Retirement Flight
Ryan Voight - 2016/03/20 20:50:07 UTC
Brian Scharp - 2016/03/19 16:28:41 UTC

There's a stigma associated with landing on wheels that only a small percentage are willing to confront or ignore.
Not saying it's right or wrong... but the so-called "stigma" only applies to some. I've never heard anyone give Dan Buchanan, Chris Starbuck, or Bob Vogel crap for landing on their wheels. More pertinent to this thread, I have a hard time imagining anyone giving a 70 yr old dude who's more or less done it all on a hang glider, any crap for wheel landing from now on. The so-called stigma usually arises when someone shifts toward wheel landings because of lackluster foot landing skills... and just landing on the wheels from then on is taking the "easy way" rather than addressing the lack of skill(s) that results in the hard time landing. Landing is just an exercise in precise flying, right? So a young able-bodied pilot who decides to "fix" being imprecise by wheel landing... yes, they often take crap from their peers. Maybe- probably- not the best or most constructive way to convince them of the bigger picture problem(s) needing attention... but that's a topic for another discussion.
Not saying it's right or wrong...
Who gives a flying fuck what you do or don't say, Ryan? You lie like a goddam rug and you're a major player in the national association that's just about finished its job of driving this sport over the edge and into the abyss.
...but the so-called "stigma" only applies to some.
Oh. So can you identify them for us so's we can more efficiently and effectively so-called "stigmatize" them?
I've never heard anyone give Dan Buchanan, Chris Starbuck, or Bob Vogel crap for landing on their wheels.
I know the middle one's a paraplegic. I guess the others are too. Yeah Ryan, I'll bet nobody gives them crap for not using the stairs to go up and down a floor or two. Big fuckin' surprise.

So how 'bout Mike Onorato?

http://ozreport.com/11.126
The Exxtacy landing accident at Morningside
Debbie Onorato - 2007/06/27

Dear Micki and Al,

I am at the trauma center in Lebanon, New Hampshire called Dartmouth Hitchcock and I found their computer. I thought I would write and let you know how much I appreciate your email.

Mike is still in the ICU since Sunday. He is confirmed as being quadriplegic. I was informed in the ER on Sunday, but hoped 48 hours would maybe make the doctors wrong.

I cannot believe this nightmare.
I understand that it would probably have been considered poor form to so-called stigmatize him in the six week period between when he quaded himself at Morningside and when he ordered his ventilator switched off but I'm guessing we would have been doing our duty as hang glider pilots to so-called "stigmatize" from half past Day One training hill up until his last bonk?
More pertinent to this thread...
Is Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight's last word on the subject.
...I have a hard time imagining...
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...a weak link not breaking in a payout winch lockout in time for the pilot to level out and safely land with a perfectly executed no-stepper.
...anyone giving a 70 yr old dude who's more or less done it all on a hang glider, any crap for wheel landing from now on.
1. Hear that, Steve Corbin? We've got less than seven years to go before we're allowed to wheel land without Ryan calling us fags - assuming we can finish more or less doing it all on hang gliders. That should be plenty of time to get the loops and two hundred milers off the to-do list.

2. And fuck all you 70 year old faggots who never got your Fives or who just started two years ago.
The so-called stigma usually...
But don't worry, people of varying ages... It's just a SO-CALLED stigma - not a REAL stigma. Second sentence, second reference to the "so-called stigma". Wanna tell us anything about "so-called global warming"?
...arises when someone shifts toward wheel landings because of lackluster foot landing skills...
1. And Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight is the all-knowing world authority on when the so-called stigma usually arises. Takes about ten times the time and effort to dope out SO-CALLED stigmas that it does ACTUAL stigmas.

Think Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney when you're listening to this motherfucker. They just pull whatever they feel like outta their asses and declare it to be fact - confident that all the muppets will immediately swallow it as such.

2. OK, people of varying ages... Everyone with lustrous landing skills raise his hand.

3. You mean like one hundred percent of tandem "instructors" do one hundred percent of the time?

4. Here's the current list of u$hPa Special Skills for hang gliding: CL FSL PL AT ST AWCL TUR RLF XC HA. What do they all have in common? Right. None of them involves the least degree of SKILL. It's all basic proficiencies, judgment, decision making. If you're a skills freak then play baseball or basketball. If your skills are off the numbers on the scoreboard go the wrong way - you tend not to leave the field or court on a stretcher.

Airline pilots tend not to do landings that require SKILL. And when Mother Nature throws shit into the area to demand much in the way of skill airports tend to shut down and divert planes to less skill demanding environments.
...and just landing on the wheels from then on is taking the "easy way"...
1. Perish the fucking thought that anyone in hang gliding should take the "EASY WAY" to execute the most dangerous phase of our flight - the one that accounts for ten times the death and destruction of all other issues combined.

2. Name one other flavor of aviation in which the plane isn't landed...
Gil Dodgen - 1995/01

All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."
...as easily as the engineering and environment allow.
...rather than addressing the lack of skill(s) that results in the hard time landing.
1. So take a landing clinic with Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight. He'll put you on a tight double surface glider, load you up with a racing harness, parachute, XC gear, put an old Frisbee at a safe spot in a narrow dry riverbed with large rocks strewn all over the place in switchy early afternoon conditions.

2. I happen to be a huge fan of the easy way in aviation - motherfucker. Don't like it? Suck my dick.
Landing is just an exercise in precise flying, right?
Right. So naturally...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings
Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC

I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.
Shift your hands to the precise control tubes and place them at ear or shoulder height where you can't control the glider in any air in which you NEED to control the glider.

Meanwhile, out in the REAL world, this is what RYAN does:

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to maintain precise control. But Ryan can't make any money teaching people how to precisely control gliders 'cause there's really not all that much to it - as you can very clearly see in these stills.
So a young able-bodied pilot who decides to "fix" being imprecise by wheel landing... yes, they often take crap from their peers.
Maybe beating a few peers into unrecognizable pulps would do something towards improving the culture and gene pool.
Maybe- probably- not the best or most constructive way to convince them of the bigger picture problem(s) needing attention... but that's a topic for another discussion.
Like what, Ryan? Seventeen fatalities since the beginning of last year. Name the ones who'd have come out smelling like roses if only they hadn't been wheel landers.
NOW- back to Jack!
Now that we've finished doing what we could to stigmatize wheel landings as much as possible and drum up business for Voight flare timing perfection clinics.
I say, quit flying if you want to quit flying. Not that you need my or anyone else's permission or approval!
Nah, you'd only need to ask Ryan's permission to wheel land if you were young and able-bodied. But it would be a total waste of time because Ryan wouldn't give it.

And don't even think about suggesting that high and fast is safer than low and slow.
But do what makes you happy!
If I did what made me happy you'd be Raven food and I'd be in prison for whatever remains of my life.
Or what you think will make you most happy. No reason you can't make whatever decision you come to, once your healed... and then change your mind after going whichever way for a while. Also, no reason you can't stay a part of the flying community- locally and/or online- whatever you want. This has been a big part of your life for a long time, and I've seen people fall into far less healthy lifestyles trying to fill the void when they walk away from a life-staple.
We all just saw a victim of your spinoff towing operation fall into a far less healthy lifestyle when his driver made a good decision in the interest of his safety. But it's great to see that you've now got enough time to spew all your wisdom out on The Jack show for everyone to bask in.
Only you can decide what's "best" for you, what you need to do vs want to do, how you're feeling mentally, logically, emotionally... But I'd be lying if...
Your lips were moving.
...I didn't share that reading your post made me a little bit sad. Gliders like the Alpha and Falcon truly have made hang gliding slower and easier than ever before... and while they aren't "high performance" in terms of glide or speed... damn they are a lot of fun! Maybe give one a try after you heal up, and add that experience into your decision making?
And don't EVEN CONSIDER flying your (let's call it a) T2C and rolling or skidding in. The flying, performance, altitude, speed, penetration, glider range, energy retention doesn't count for shit. It's all about that last two seconds and nailing your no-stepper. That's why we all got into this sport, right?

Gawd we need to do to this son of a bitch what we did to Rooney.
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Re: landing

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http://www.flytandem.com/accident/index.htm
3-25-16 2:00PM. Local Advanced HG lands near the HG spot and is landing in no wind to perhaps trickling tailwind in light variable thermal conditons. The pilot opts to use the wheels and land rolling. The problem is that the grass is 3" tall and the wheel radius is about 2.5". The drag on the basetube catches the pilot off guard and the basetube rapidly sticks to the grass on first contact with the grass and the pilot swings through hard into the keel and a major whack results. The pilot's helmet tips down onto the pilot sunglasses and the glasses cause a cut in the bridge of the pilot's nose requiring medical attention, a dozen stitches. Full recovery expected in a couple of weeks.
Might be a good idea to install bigger wheels if you're going to land like a girl!
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If the wheel radius is about two and a half inches we've gotta be talking about:

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And what that report is saying is that if you land in that grass in those conditions with those or no wheels you better have your flare timing perfected - which is a phyisical impossibility in air that actually moves unfavorably enough.

Got grass?

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Also... That guy was wearing a full face helmet. The chin guard caught and that's what did the damage. I'm gonna say that would've been a nonevent if he'd been flying open face. Anything you do to make a helmet safer in one situation is gonna make it more dangerous in another. Full face is my druthers but it can break a neck in a situation in which you'd walk away OK otherwise.
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Jump to next post:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post9221.html#p9221

A bit ago I took another look at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T56n4_lQNIE
Hang Gliding Lookout Mountain, March 15, 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T56n4_lQNIE
Chris Kelcourse - Atlanta - 91705 - H2 - 2011/11/07 - Daniel Zink - FL CL FSL - Exp: 2015/11/30
Subsequently picked up AT signoff. Last Jack Show post: 2015/09/15 01:41:39 UTC.

discussed at:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=30929
Doh! My worst landing ever, caught on tape.

http://www.kitestrings.org/post5768.html#p5768

and realized what an awesome reverse smoking gun it was. Fairly major stills project - 63 - and I'll break it up into three posts, for starters, covering launch, sled, and "approach" and "landing".

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- 22 - frame (30 fps)

Picking up right after the hang check, undoubtedly. Now we're good to go.

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Check out the shadow. Nicely preserved Pulse (10 Meter).

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Really good to go now. We're certain we're safely connected to our glider 'cause we just did our hang check back in the staging area well under a minute ago. Glider resting on shoulders safely below the turbulent jet stream.

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Hook-in check. See? Told ya we're safely connected to our glider.

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And even if we're not... What the hell. They have a net, don't they?

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About to begin violation of Christopher LeFay Five Second Rule.

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Completion of violation of Christopher LeFay Five Second Rule - about three seconds after becoming fully airborne.

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Pod zip.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T56n4_lQNIE
Hang Gliding Lookout Mountain, March 15, 2014

One wonders what Chris is trying to accomplish with:

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Note how nicely perpendicular to the wing the suspension remains.

Review the stills, video. Try to find a nanosecond in which the bar is back a millimeter from trim.

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A couple of rather aggressive roll corrections in mild turbulence.

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Properly executed but the glider's got zilch speed, stability, responsiveness.

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He says:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=30929
Doh! My worst landing ever, caught on tape.
Chris Kelcourse - 2014/03/17 02:25:50 UTC

As for me "going for a ride" during the flight, that was planned. I had a number of flights that day and I was just having some fun at a safe altitude.
This is NOT how one has fun in sled conditions on a hang glider. One pulls the bar in and rolls the glider to the extent one is starting to get a bit uncomfortable. That's how one advances one's proficiency and confidence and that's ALWAYS fun.

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Turn to turn to downwind.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T56n4_lQNIE
Hang Gliding Lookout Mountain, March 15, 2014

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Pod unzipped. Fortunately he won't attempt to get his "landing gear" down.

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This is a little scary - even if the air is pretty close to zilch and there's virtually no chance of it doing anything interesting.

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Thus is why you should never do low turns, people of varying ages. They're extremely dangerous. Start your final no lower than two hundred feet, get upright immediately, keep the glider straight and level, and adjust your speed as needed to arrive as close as possible to the old Frisbee in the middle off the LZ.

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C'mon Chris. Get the fuck upright and on the control tubes for better roll authority and eliminate the possibility of hitting headfirst.

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Too late. Climb up into your airframe so's you can use your glider as a crush zone. Remember: Never keep flying the glider.

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OK, let's take another flight and log some more airtime.

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Nice launch. 'Cept you're once again violating the crap outta the Five Second Rule.

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Here's the real money shot:

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Glider comes to an abrupt stop, pilot pendulums forward, head arcs up away from the ground, hands are ripped harmlessly off the control bar, no arms or downtubes harmed in the making of this movie.

Glider's absorbing energy, flexing nondestructively. (And, yeah, I know that the downtubes aren't doing what we're seeing them doing.)

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Glider gently beaks.

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Pilot starts picking himself back up in less than half a second from full arrest of forward motion.

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This is the best photographic evidence I've ever seen that everything students are trained to do to keep themselves safe in emergency landing / crashing situations is the polar and extreme opposite of what they should be doing. It's gonna be fun to compare some of these stills to the ones we have of people half killing themselves as consequences of coming in as safely as possible under the dictates of conventional "wisdom".

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B4XbeBamKY
Hang Glider Whack Incident - Don't Do This:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B4XbeBamKY


Discussed at:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=29129
Safety Note; Don't let this hapen to You.

http://www.kitestrings.org/post4401.html#p4401

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Yep. So now let's go upright to the control tubes with our hands and shoulder or ear height where we can't control the glider and see what happens.

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Most elegant looking.

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Careful...

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Not much of a headwind to work wth and things look pretty switchy.

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And from the glider...

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Nice AT release ya got there. Give my compliments to Trisa. Is there anyithing you CAN'T do with your hands on the control tubes?

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And guess what you're gonna remember and what's gonna cost you the most.

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Oops...

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Just overshot the old Frisbee in the middle of the LZ.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhUGNaLgDJ8

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Josh Stoff

At some point in the program they actually stopped using it 'cause it was just, it was a lot safer to land on the Moon than it was to fly this machine down in Texas.
Interesting analogy thing going on there.
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