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Re: The Bob Show

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYouKw86S7g


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Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders
Rick Masters - 2014/10/03 18:56:06 UTC

Current list numbering (changes frequently as historical fatalities are found and added):

PG fatality #784
Henry Navia Garcia
Another murder of a tandem passenger by an incompetent operator who forgot to fasten his client's leg straps. It was a special black eye for paragliding in Columbia because the dead man was a government employee in service to the Secretary of Health in Cali. As usual, he held on to the "instructor" for several minutes until his strength ebbed and he fell to his death. One of over 100 deaths on the tandem PG fatalities list.
And this doesn't happen in hang gliding - I'm guessing at a proportionally higher rate 'cause I'm guessing it's an easier mistake to make with our birds?

I didn't hear ya...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=811
FTHI
Rick Masters - 2011/10/26 23:07:48 UTC

At an Owens Valley Comp (1982?), I saw, from a distance, Jim Lee, in a UP Pod, lift and tug, then launch. But Jim fooled himself and he fooled me. He had been clipped in by going around the outside of his down tube. When he launched, he immediately engaged in a struggle not to enter a spiral dive. I remember saying, "Throw your chute! Throw your chute!" But he made it to the Pitts and crash-landed in a turn that damaged his glider - but he survived.

My good friends Bob Dunn and Dave Butz both launched unhooked. Bob held on to his base tube all the way down from Plowshare. The impact split his skull and he suffered terribly until he died during the night, alone. Dave pulled himself onto his control bar and rode the glider down from the high Santa Barbara launch.
...calling Jim Lee, Bob Dunn, or Dave Butz incompetent...
My sincere thanks to Carlos Miralles and Bill Dodson for teaching me the ONLY way.

NOTHING substitutes for a hang check immediately before take off. I know. I'm still here.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went
Rick Masters - 2011/10/19 22:47:17 UTC

At that moment, I would banish all concern about launching unhooked. I had taken care of it. It was done. It was out of my mind.
...ya stupid shit. The percentage of established hang gliding people who've had connection incidents - launched unhooked, minus a leg loop or two, partially hooked, hooked into something other than a hang strap, with dangerously misrouted suspension and/or have been intercepted at launch with a critical issue - is fuckin' HUMONGOUS. I've done the partial hook-in trick...

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...myself - launched, soared, landed.

Ya wanna blast the paragliders 'cause they collapse in turbulence and kill people like they're going outta style - fine, more power to ya. But that issue has shit to do with the flavor of wing over people intending to get themselves airborne and to dump on paragliders for this one is naked hypocrisy and bigotry. It's basically lying to your readers - and I notice none of your Bob Show douchebag buddies over there are calling you on it.

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What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?

You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.
Bullshit, Bob. You're the only asshole who has any freedom over there and the only thing you honor is all your assholes getting along real well with each other.
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Re: The Bob Show

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Accident report
Bill Cummings - 2014/10/08 20:49 UTC

Here is a bone breaking accident due to a dust devil (thermal) and the PG pilot wasn't even in the harness.
I've seen HG wire assist people flung around by dust devils at Chelan Butte WA (USA)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXBogVV31Y4
What you saw, Bill, was a non participant volunteer assistant getting demolished...

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...by a violently spinning wing.
Rick Masters - 2014/10/08 23:51 UTC

She was lucky - despite the injury. I have several recent death reports of soaring parachutists falling from as high as 100 feet when they hang on to the brake handles in sudden thermals. Damned if I can find a single report in all history of a fatal result to an unhooked hang glider pilot (by hanging onto the downtubes or getting caught in the wires), though.
How 'bout these, Rick?:
Doug Hildreth - 1982/03

A few tripped over the nose man; only one wire-man was knocked off the cliff by his student who failed to indicate the start of his run (fractured pelvis). The student made a successful launch.

I am especially sad to report a spectator death at Dog Mountain. A "blown launch" resulted in he glider turning and skimming downwind over launch, knocking down and elderly woman who died when her head struck a rock.
That poor guy who got mowed down by that solidly airframed wing of ours WASN'T lucky - and I don't recall a lot of get well cards and donations coming from the hang gliding "community" - mostly a lot of abuse and references to him as a clueless fuckin' idiot wuffo.

You're on solid ground talking about collapses. You go beyond that issue you always seem to go conveniently blind to shit also or only going on with hang gliders.

And since when Bob says:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions
What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?

You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.
he means and enforces the precise opposite there's no one over there calling you on this kind o' crap.
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Re: The Bob Show

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Bob Kuczewski - 2014/10/28 06:02:00 UTC

Hello Phil!!

Welcome to the US Hawks!!!
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Yeah Phil!! Welcome!!! Image Image Image Image I hope your favorite color is yellow! (I'm afraid it makes Yours Truly just a wee bit nauseous. (Pity, didn't used to.))
We're not the biggest hang gliding forum around, but we've set our sights on a higher goal. We're working to be a real hang gliding organization looking out for pilots.
Lemme translate that for you...
I'm not the biggest hang gliding forum around, but I've set my sights on a higher goal. I'm working to be a real hang gliding organization looking out for people who fly hang gliders, meet with my approval, stay in line with my religious beliefs, play nicely with others, don't rock the boat, don't stand up to me when they see shit they don't like.
We've already broken new ground by integrating local club forums into a single national forum.
Which I've made a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.
That's something that USHPA should have done years ago. But they can't do that because then the members might expect the USHPA...
...elected...
...leaders to actually answer their questions. Image They'll never put themselves in that position, so that gives us an edge right off the bat.
Piece o' shit self appointed Dictator for Life conning you into believing that you and what you think, believe, know, stand for matter in the absolute least.
If you know of any local clubs in your area, please suggest that they join us. It costs nothing to be a US Hawks Chapter...
Besides, of course, your soul - but that goes without saying.
...and we have had several local clubs who are both US Hawks...
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...and USHPA...
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...Chapters. Please let me know if you need any help with presenting the idea to your clubs. If the timing is right, I might be able to attend your local meeting myself to answer any questions.
...I feel like answering. If I don't, then you can go fuck yourself. And you can also go fuck yourself if you want to accomplish anything that isn't totally in line with what I want.
Either way ... WELCOME AGAIN TO THE US HAWKS!!!!
A total dictatorship presenting passing itself off as a bastion of democracy and individual freedoms for four years, two and a half months now. And the more people this motherfucker gets signing on to his lunatic little chat room the more you can be assured that he'll tighten his control grip.

Ask Bob what he and his lunatic colony have accomplished to the benefit of the sport. We may not have accomplished much but we HAVE changed the landscape a little bit for the better. And you can verify that by comparing the number of hate posts about Tad and Tad Clones out in the mainstream forums and in the magazine to the number of attacks Bob's getting. And we've done it in less time with WAY fewer people. (Quality versus Quantity thing.)
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Re: The Bob Show

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Hello
Bob Kuczewski - 2014/10/29 16:52:43 UTC

We're building the US Hawks on a club-based model.
And fuck anybody who isn't affiliated with a club. Not really into individual empowerment, rights, protections, freedoms.
That's why each club has its own forum here on the US Hawks. The clubs themselves make the decisions regarding their forums. They choose the color schemes, they choose the sub-forum layout. They set the rules of their forum...
Or have no rules whatsoever and just ban people with no pretense of cause or due process and chop out all their posts retroactively.
...and I just carry them out.
Yeah, Bob, I know.
That's something that USHPA should be doing...
Don't worry.
...but they're afraid of pilots actually speaking out.
FUCK YOU.
Hasn't it always seemed a little strange that there's no "USHPA Forum" in the electronic era?
Hasn't it always seemed a little strange that there's no pretense of an elected board or ghost of a hint of power sharing on US Hawks? (Meaning ME Hawk, y'all can go fuck yourselves if you get out of line with what US wants.)
Also, we've had (and still have) several clubs who have been both US Hawks Chapters and USHPA Chapters. So there's no conflict. It's like a buffet. You can get your insurance through USHPA and your free speech through US Hawks.
And your quarter under the pillow from the Tooth Fairy.
As we grow, I'm hoping someday we'll be able to provide insurance as well. Then we'll actually have competition in the marketplace, and that will be good for everyone.
I notice you didn't say anything about an elected board.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/10/19 02:22:47 UTC

I might vote for Sam if he ever wants to run the US Hawks.
Of course you'd hafta have an ACTUAL VOTE for that to happen. And that was over three years ago. And that ain't NEVER gonna happen.
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Arrested for interfering with an instructor
Davis Straub - 2014/11/11 13:32:18 UTC

At Torrey Pines

A pilot reports:
http://ozreport.com/pub/images/eRu0iE8mYuyUmODvFfzY.jpg
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This is an image of infamous Bob Kuczewski post cavity search and in the process of being arrested for interfering with an instructor on Sunday. He is running again for USHPA Regional Director for region 3.

http://www.torreyhawks.org/r3/
Bob Kuczewski for Region 3 Director

He was given ample opportunities to leave, choosing instead to argue with the officers.
*A* "pilot" reports? A hang or para glider pilot without the balls to use his name posts a photo and some unsubstantiated allegations (including an obvious lie about a cavity search) and you run it as undisputed fact.

So what's the evidence of him "interfering with an instructor"? Is "interfering with an instructor" a state or federal crime? Both? Misdemeanor or felony?

He was given ample opportunities to leave? From what or where? Was he in violation of some law by being where he was or was it public property where he had every right to be?

Doesn't look to me like any felony interference with an instructor...

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Looks and sounds more to me like a totally unprovoked and unjustified physical assault by an instructor on Bob.

Oh, he CHOSE to argue with the officers instead of doing whatever they said - YOU, anonymous Davis correspondent - are ALLEGING. Lucky they didn't gun him down on the spot.
Brian McMahon - 2014/11/11 16:38:52 UTC

I don't know what happened...
Why don't you go to his forum?

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

You can get a lot better information and definitive evidence than you can from Davis's locked down sleazy paranoid shit heap.
...but Bob can be stubborn to the point of getting into trouble like this.
So can anyone with one or two shreds of principles. I wouldn't give a flying fuck for anybody who wouldn't.
I cannot imagine that he would have interfered with an active instructor...
He very obviously wasn't.
...unless they did something that appeared to be unsafe.
Whether or not that piece of shit was doing anything appearing to be unsafe is debatable. But if he wasn't then why did the piece of shit go so ballistic about having an iPhone pointed at him?
There have been a few incidents where paraglider training is conducted in the HG LZ overshoot area during HG landings which can be hazardous. There have also been a few incidents where PGs end up landing on parked HGs. I wasn't at the Sunday meeting, so I don't know what happened in this case, but suffice to say there is a lot of bad blood at Torrey these days...
I think I can make a fair claim to despising Bob as much or more than anyone else in these sports does but I'll give him SOME solid integrity points for standing up for principles. Head and shoulders above Davis on that count (not that that is saying anything).

Like to think that I wouldn't have been too much of a coward to have stood up with him on that one.
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Re: The Bob Show

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http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39913
Arrested for interfering with an instructor
Swift - 2014/11/11 17:40:46 UTC

By the series of pictures posted at:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

it looks like an instructor interfered with a person taking pictures in a public place.
God fuckin' damn well right. You didn't even hafta go to that source to know that what Davis is trying to portray totally stinks.

P.S. Just checked over on The Jack Show to see if there was anything but then remembered:

http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
HG ORG Mission Statement - Hang Gliding Wiki
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No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.
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Re: The Bob Show

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Arrested for interfering with an instructor
Davis Straub - 2014/11/11 18:11:05 UTC

Always happy to get the story out in the open.
I'm sure you are, Davis.

And I'm sure you had:

- an excellent reason for concealing the identity of your informant - just as good a reason as he had for concealing it.

- no fuckin' clue that Bob had a forum of his own where you might have been able to get more information and possibly a better take on what actually transpired regarding that confrontation

Now back to work on your forum to see if there are any threads you need to lock down, posts you need to delete, people you need to sabotage, threaten, ban.
Brian McMahon - 2014/11/11 18:34:45 UTC

As I said, Bob would only likely do something if he saw something that looked unsafe.
Or if he needed to make his forum a safe place for people of varying ages to visit. But jack shit about anything when one of his buddies dumps another one of his Bob Show members in good standing...

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...into a harmless fatal stall.
If anyone else had been taking the video, it wouldn't have been a big deal. Unfortunately I think Bob probably got a little too close, rather than stand way back and take whatever video and pictures.
How come he was only too close after Gabe noticed the iPhone pointed at him?
He is definitely a stand your ground kind of guy when confronted.
Or when somebody else stands his grounds on free speech principles when he's saying something Bob doesn't want him to say.
Brian Scharp - 2014/11/11 18:45:14 UTC

Hopefully Bob will post the video including audio.
He won't. He never posts videos. But that's OK, I have enough.
He doesn't look like the aggressor.
Looks like the victim of assault and battery and false arrest.
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Re: The Bob Show

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Hey Bob, a few fun facts...

- Your first words of support didn't come from anybody on the Jack, Davis, or Bob Shows, they came from here - Yours Truly in particular.

- People have flagrantly violated Jack's Nothing-(Positive)-Even-Hinting-Of-Bob-Scott-Or-Tad Rule and gotten away with it. Don't think you (or Scott) can say the same.

- You've gotten support on The Davis Show - as well as your own. Still zilch on Jack's sewer.
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Re: The Bob Show

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http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log
Davis Straub - 2014/11/11 18:28:04 UTC

Who was interfering with whom?

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey
So Davis... What does that say about the credibility of your anonymous "pilot" source? And your credibility for spewing that crap onto the web without the slightest effort to check its credibility?
Brian McMahon - 2014/11/11 21:11:59 UTC

Bob was tentatively charged with Trespassing.
Really? I read on The Davis Show that he was charged with "interfering with an instructor" and cavity searched.
He has a court date in late December, which is probably an arraignment hearing. Based on what he just told me, I suspect that the charge will be dropped, but it is unclear what the police were told by the site lessee. The lessee apparently spent a long time behind closed doors with the police before they came out and arrested Bob for Trespassing.

Bob is adamant that he did nothing wrong and is going to drive all the way up to my work right now, just to show me the video so that I can see for myself what happened. He does not want to post the video publicly until the court case(s) are over, but assures me that at some point he will make it public. From what he told me about how this all started, it appears that he was standing there videoing the instructor and never said anything to him. If this is true, then it appears that Bob was approached without any verbal provocation from Bob.
If he had said anything to him would that have justified the ensuing actions of Gabe, the Gliderport thugs, and the police?
Once I see what happened, I'll edit this post.

Since Torrey Pines is a city owned public park...
...in theory...
...I don't know how Trespassing can be charged. The lease to the concession clearly states that no member of the public shall be barred from access to the park. Bob as a waivered signed pilot, is allowed into the pilot area of the park where this training was taking place. I don't believe the district attorney's office will bother trying to win this and Bob sure will not back down, so it seems likely that the charges will be dropped. However, he could be charged with something else even though they only arrested him for Trespassing.
Hey Davis, why don't you tell us about all the times you've deliberately stood up for a principle at some degree of cost to yourself? And...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/28 06:15:12 UTC

You may not know, but Davis is a friend of mine.
...maybe if your li'l Rooney buddy ever logs back into your sewer...
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 08:24:31 UTC

Did I miss any?
Is it clear what I mean by "We"?
I didn't make the system up.
And I'm not so arrogant to think that my precious little ideas are going to magically revolutionise the industry.
There are far smarter people than me working this out.
I know, I've worked with them.
(Bobby's a fucking genius when it comes to this shit... for example.)
...you can relay the same question.
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Re: The Bob Show

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Lines in the sand
Brian Scharp - 2014/11/11 21:09:56 UTC

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39913
Arrested for interfering with an instructor
Hey Bob...

Somebody on The Jack Show just put up an illegal post linking to a Davis Show discussion about your conflict with the Gliderport.

Hey Jack...

Somebody on The Jack Show just put up an illegal post linking to a Davis Show discussion about Bob's conflict with the Gliderport in which he was arrested for taking a stand on behalf of hang gliding. You need to delete it and warn or ban the poster before your sycophants start forgetting who's in charge and discussing the situation.
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