The Bob Show

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=44009
Why there isn't any growth in hang gliding

Steve Forslund - 2015/09/21 05:43:06 UTC

Because the general public does not even know it still exists. They come here and just find historians fighting over ancient history

And assholes who can only manage to end one out of two of their sentences with periods in their two sentence posts.

The general public CAN'T come there - without the permission of the sociopath running that show anyway. Even major players and contributors whom your Motherfucker In Chief has banned on one of his whims can't access their own posts and discussions without getting in with a fake approved ID - and, speaking of history, that's assuming your Motherfucker In Chief hasn't deleted the posts and discussions. But that doesn't seem to bother any of you Motherfuckers In Good Standing in the least.

Also note that the reason all you Davis Show assholes have is historians fighting over ancient history is 'cause Davis locks down or deletes all the threads on critical issues and bans all the individuals who have anything of actual interest to say and just leaves dregs such as yourself.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2126
USHPA Losing Insurance

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/10/23 22:23:51 UTC

Here's what's really ironic about what Mark Forbes wrote:

Each of us can have an impact through our individual actions, and also through our influence on others.

Unless U$HPA is protecting certain businesses like Torrey Pines.

Or Highland Aerosports - along with the rest of the Aerotow / Tandem Thrill Ride Industry.

Then you had better have no influence ... or you'll be expelled.

You mean like I was six years before you were?

We need to change our culture and celebrate incident-free flight.

Unless you're someone who speaks out, then you'll be expelled for your years of incident-free flights.

Even more so for trying to make the flights of others incident free.

We need systems for identifying risk and modifying behaviors and practices to reduce the risks we all face when we fly.

Why? Hasn't the current system of expelling anyone who speaks out been working for you?

Looks like it's been doing the precise opposite. Go figure.

We need to tighten standards for site management plans, take a harder look at instructional practices, and enforce a zero-tolerance policy for violations of the rules, particularly with respect to tandem instructional flights.

Unless they're aerotow. Then we need to violate the crap out of existing rules and regulations to mask the fact that we've been violating the crap out of existing rules and regulations for decades.

Why bother? Just expel anyone who points out poor standards, sloppy practices, and repeated violations of the rules.

Like you helped do to me when I was fighting that same battle on my turf?

It should be very clear to everyone by now that USHPA has mismanaged their insurance program and they've mismanaged their FAA tandem exemption.

Bummer. Hard to believe they just did that with the tandem exemption and conformed so irreproachably with the terms of their aerotow exemption. Go figure.

They did this so they could protect their buddies at sites like Torrey Pines.

...Wallaby, Quest, Florida Ridge, Lockout, Foothills, Currituck, Manquin, Ridgely, Morningside, Cloud 9, Cowboy Up...

They did this without regard to the consequences it would eventually have on the sports of hang gliding and paragliding.

Now much. They were both total disaster areas a decade and a half prior.

USHPA's leaders (particularly Rich Hass and Mark Forbes) should resign in disgrace. But they won't. Instead they'll try to find someone else to blame. Where does the "buck" stop at USHPA?

T** at K*** S******.

Save it, Bob. You did the exact same thing to me over there using even more despicable tactics. You fatally screwed yourself over the second you posted your mission statement.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2137
Alan Crouse - Behind the USHPA Curtain

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/11/02 07:31:44 UTC

I attended the annual Crestline meeting last weekend, and I happened to see USHPA Regional Director Alan Crouse there.

Now Alan and I had been on friendly terms years ago...

You'd been on friendly terms with me years ago - or so it seemed to me at the time.

...and I endorsed him very strongly when he first ran for Director.

Yep, big surprise.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=15047
Thank You SG!.

Bob Kuczewski - 2010/01/01 06:08:31
San Diego

Finally!! A topic where everyone agrees with me!!!

You've done a great thing here SG!!

So what kind of track record have you racked up over the years with your strong endorsements? Anything comparable to what we've accomplished with the standard aerotow weak link that nobody talks about anymore?

So I asked him - fairly politely - why he voted to have me expelled from USHPA. I pointed out that I hadn't committed any flying violations. I pointed out that I hadn't violated any SOPs or bylaws. So I wanted to know the basis for his vote to expel me from USHPA.

But before I give you his answer, I'd like you to take a guess.

Remember that flying has been a big part of my life. I got my private pilot's license and a seaplane rating in the late 70's. I first flew a hang glider in 1978 and my senior project for my Aeronautical Engineering degree was a model hang glider that I tested in the university wind tunnel.

Ever put anything into the air on a hang glider that solved an actual problem, actually enhanced control and/or performance, had an actual use?

I made my first paragliding flights around 1990, and I've been flying very regularly for the past dozen years.

1. Must've been nice. Been over seven since I've flown anything outside of my disturbed dreams now.

2. I notice you don't say anything about sailplanes...

John Heiney - 2007/08

Last April 21 Bob Kuczewski made flights in all four of the glider types normally flown at the Torrey Pines Gliderport, near San Diego, California. Bob flew an SGS 2-33 sailplane towed up by the club's stationary winch, an Arcus paraglider, a Dream 205 hang glider, and an EasyGlider RC model.

Is that 'cause you don't wanna draw too much attention to the means by which you got them airborne and how that reflects on your favorite disclaimer...

http://www.kitestrings.org/post7657.html#p7657

...about understanding absolute shit about towing and thus being unable to take any stands on towing issues?

I've joined clubs.

It's so much more fun to damage them from the outside.

I've helped start clubs.

I've worked on ending a few.

I've devoted time to outreach. I've mentored pilots...

Lucky them.

...and I even served on the USHPA Board.

And was instrumental in preserving u$hPa's cherished dangerous practices when T** at K*** S****** was emerging as a serious threat.

In the last 12 years I've invested uncounted thousands of dollars on lessons, travel, and equipment in the sports of hang gliding and paragliding, and I've earned an advanced rating in both sports. In all that time, I never took a dime for my efforts. I didn't even ask for the customary travel reimbursement for attending USHPA Board meetings because I didn't want to take a dime from the pilots.

So with all that I've invested, you might expect that USHPA would have a very very very good reason to expel me and effectively remove my ability to fly.

Yeah, a totally excellent one. Hang gliding in general and u$hPa in particular are controlled by commercial interests which do NOTHING BUT sucking money out of recreational pilots. These motherfuckers SELL instruction, ratings, access. They don't want any recreational guys GIVING anything away. That's one of the reasons Mike Robertson - in concert with Greg Black - fucked me over every way he could manage when I took his Instructor Certification clinic in Ellenville in early June of '94. I just wanted to be able to mentor, rate, sponsor the new recreational guys who were showing up at the club and local sites.

Have you guessed it yet?

Here's what Alan Crouse said with a straight face:

"We didn't want you to be able to tell people that you were a USHPA member."

Did you get that? Was that what you had guessed?

In other words all the lies that they sent out accusing me of doing things I didn't do was all a smoke screen to get rid of me because ... they didn't want me to be able to say that I was a USHPA member.

What kind of an organization has this become?

Hasn't BECOME anything. It's been a total sleaze magnet for as long as the vast majority of the people currently in the sport have been in the sport.

Are these the people we should be trusting with our "freedom" to fly?

How's the:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=1764
Review of Tad Eareckson's Ban from US Hawks

coming along, Bob?

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/17 04:06:03 UTC

US Hawks Board Members,

I had promised Tad that a review of his ban would be brought before the US Hawks Board of Directors as soon as the Board was formed. So I am posting this request as the first issue to be considered for discussion and decision by the Board.

I am posting this as a member of the US Hawks (and not as a Board Member), and it is my recommendation - as a member - that the Board make the decision to defer this discussion for some number of months (2 to 6) so that the Board can get used to operating as a Board before making a decision that may significantly change the experience of all of our users on the forum.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully Submitted,
Bob Kuczewski
Member of the US Hawks

Guess Emperor of the US Hawks Bob's still good with Member of the US Hawks Bob's Respectfully Submitted request to dishonor his promise to Tad that a review of his ban would be brought before the US Hawks Fake Board of Directors as soon as the Fake Board was installed by and with the inclusion of Emperor Bob.

And how's Emperor Bob's handpicked Fake Board doing with respect to getting used to operating as a Board? Last I heard twenty percent of it had resigned from the Fake Board and left Emperor Bob's Empire over...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2068
Leaving the US Hawks

Scott C. Wise - 2015/08/14 19:55:06 UTC

I regret to inform my fellow members of the US Hawks that as of now I am terminating my membership in the US Hawks. It seems that Bob and I are experiencing a conflict that simply can not be resolved. I hope that things go well for my, as of now, fellow members. Take care and so long.

S C W

...unnamed fundamental and irreconcilable differences with Emperor Bob.

And please don't kill yourself rushing to replace that vacant twenty percent of your Fake Board. It's not like there's more than one vote on it that actually counts for anything.

So now we're out at eight and a half months point in Emperor Bob's honoring of Member of the US Hawks Bob's to dishonor his promise - 1.42 times the maximum and 2.25 times the minimum requested dishonoring period.

At least you got an honest answer from one of your ol' u$hPa motherfucker buddies about why you were expelled.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2142
Retiring soon: So, TBM position is opening

Joe Faust - 2015/11/06 20:13:17 UTC

I am soon retiring from the Trial Board; so, a position is opening.

What? The workload was too heavy?

If you are interested, please contact me JoeF or BobK or SamK or BillC.

Oh! Pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me, pick me!

Approved new TBMember...

- APPROVED? Not ELECTED?
- Approved by whom, Joe? How many people have votes that actually count for anything?

...would enter in a historic great hang gliding adventure.

WOW! Sounds FANTASTIC! When's it likely to start?

I will fulfill my one-year term at mid February 2016; you---some new approved
TBM would take office in mid Ferbrary 2016.

Oh good. By then you'll have had a chance to vote on the legitimacy of Emperor Bob's extrajudicial expulsion of T** at K*** S******.

Thanks in advance for your coming service to a great casue!

A cashew so great that in five and a quarter years not one member has cast a vote in opposition of anything that Emperor Bob has felt like doing.

Let one of know of your interest.

I think I just have.

Thanks,
Best Lift,
Joe Faust
aka JoeF
JoeF

Lift hasn't done me any good in the past half dozen plus years, Joe.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/11/06 21:06:00 UTC

Thanks Joe for all you've done for hang gliding and for the US Hawks!!!

- He clicked the clappie button for ya thirteen times, Joe. Your contributions must've been beyond measure.
- What's he done? How different would hang gliding look today if he'd never been part of the scene?

We...

Meaning Emperor Bob.

...haven't quite determined what a "term of office" is for the Trial...

Fake.

...Board, but since we...

Meaning Emperor Bob.

...started in February, would you mind serving until then?

What's it matter? Why don't you just establish a sock puppet identity to fill the position? What possible difference could it make?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2150
WARNING: Crestline Forum Changes Posts

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/11/09 17:40:11 UTC

Birdbrain just figured out the difference between "Do" and "Due"...

No he didn't. He was watching the traffic on The Bob Show.

...and changed his post.

Now let's see if he can figure out the difference between rights and privileges.

Democracy is a system of government that depends critically on the RIGHTS of people to speak their mind. When you turn the RIGHT of free speech into a "PRIVILEGE" you no longer have a functioning Democracy - you no longer have government by the people.

And then here we have:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=877
Discuss Tad here

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/12 22:11:15 UTC

Tad isn't banned. He's just lost the privilege of posting directly in the main forums where we're trying to gather enough momentum to launch our new hang gliding association.

Yes.

- How careless of him. We gave him this PRIVILEGE and HE lost it. So now he wants US to give him another one to replace it. Get real, dude. Ya think we're made outta privileges here? Ya think privileges grow on trees? Learn to hold onto the stuff we give you.

- He lost the PRIVILEGE because Emperor Bob wanted to run an "EXPERIMENT" to see if Former Bob Sycophant Scott C. Wise would resume posting if Tad lost the PRIVILEGE of posting directly in the main forums where WE're trying to gather enough momentum to launch OUR new hang gliding association.

-- And the "EXPERIMENT" revealed that Former Bob Sycophant Scott C. Wise WOULD resume posting if Tad lost the PRIVILEGE of posting directly in the main forums where WE're trying to gather enough momentum to launch OUR new hang gliding association.

-- And then Former Bob Sycophant Scott C. Wise announced that he would no longer have anything to do with The Bob Show with Emperor Bob in control of it. But, strangely, Emperor Bob didn't lose HIS PRIVILEGE of posting directly in the main forums where WE're trying to gather enough momentum to launch OUR new hang gliding association while WE ran an "EXPERIMENT" to see if Former Bob Sycophant Scott C. Wise would resume posting with Emperor Bob locked down in the Basement "for about a month".

- And fifty-five hours, one minute and one second later...

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/15 05:12:16 UTC

It gives me no great pleasure to announce that Tad's account has been suspended.

But don't worry... I didn't ban him and he's not banned. It just somehow happened that Tad's account got suspended. And suspension is just a temporary state. The Bob Show Board of Directors will investigate the legitimacy of the unauthored suspension at the earliest opportunity and see if there was any legitimate basis for it. Maybe in "about a month".

Democracy is a system of government that depends critically on the RIGHTS of people to speak their mind.

And what the fuck does DEMOCRACY have to do with your wacko little personality cult, Bob?

Late Latin from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos 'the people' + -kratia 'power, rule.'

We just have Emperor Bob determine who's a PERSON and who's not where the PRIVILEGE or RIGHT to speak is concerned while retaining 100.00 percent of the actual power himself.

When you turn the RIGHT of free speech into a "PRIVILEGE" you no longer have a functioning Democracy - you no longer have government by the people.

And you've got a functioning Democracy over there, Bob? A Fake Board of Directors installed by, including, and totally controlled by Emperor Bob. Three Fake members in addition to Emperor Bob, one of whom is bailing in three months. Only allowed to "vote" on issues supporting motherhood and apple pie.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/11/09 17:44:40 UTC

There's an insanity that's sweeping through our society (and our sport)...

(And "our" sport in fucking spades.)

...that's reminiscent of the early Nazi era. People swept up by this insanity are all too eager to throw away the hard earned principles of fairness, openness, and debate in order to gain the political advantage that they want in the moment. I guess every generation has to learn that from scratch ... but it's painful to watch.

Good luck with your little master race over there, Bob. This sport is coming apart at the seams fast right now and what do you think is gonna remain standing after the smoke clears and the dust settles?

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 00:52:29 UTC

The Hawks has no product. There is no there, there.

It ain't gonna be your lunatic colony. And it ain't gonna be ANYTHING in which Newtonian physics and all other reality based disciplines take back seats to community cohesiveness.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2189
Loss of the Bennett Bunny Hill

Bill Cummings - 2015/12/02 15:21:56 UTC



That much of a landing area demands a hang 4 rating?
Who among us is stupid enough to believe that?
Just who are the people by name that thinks any of us are that gullible?
I mean really if they landed sailplanes there

A hot Four who was coming in with plenty of speed and corrected when popped by a thermal got killed seven and a half weeks ago at this LZ:

26-115508
http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/678/22547384130_316edba3cd_o.png


which had started out as a general aviation strip and there were unchallenged opinions expressed that it was unacceptably dangerous - despite the fact that Threes are supposed to be able to stop consistently inside of fifty foot radius spots or inside of a two hundred by forty foot strip.

What do y'all think? Close it in anything but sled conditions? Make it a Five site? Shut down hang gliding in forested regions of the country - along with the flatlands?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5033
Extraordinary Carnage for One Day

Brian Scharp - 2015/12/14 18:13:36 UTC

Re: USHPA Accident/Incident Report System

Whatever you do don't write about it here. If you have valuable information that will help others avoid repeating the same experiences you should put it where only three people can access it and wait to see if they ever release it.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/17 09:21:56 UTC

Well said, Brian.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1081
Platform towing /risk mitigation / accident

Sam Kellner - 2012/07/03 02:25:58 UTC

No, you don't get an accident report.

That's a third of your Fake Board Of Directors, Bob - half of the members who aren't you. Fuck you guys.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2190
Suicide of the USHPA

Rick Masters - 2015/12/04 20:38:33 UTC

I very much suspect that Paul Murdoch, President of the USHPA, is the same "pmurdoch" who has posted for years on Paragliding Forum under that moniker.

Paul Murdoch - Jacksonville, Oregon - 74517 - P4 - 2007/10/29 - Rick Ray - FL ST TFL CL FSL HA RLF RS TUR XC

Duh.

Others will know.

You mean people with common sense?

So, as he captains the good ship USHPA down the toilet, I think it is relevant to look back on the reaction of "pmurdoch"...

Paul Murdoch - Jacksonville, Oregon

...to some things I have said (and still say) about the inherent dangers posed by paragliding.

And all that's wrong with hang gliding is towing and tandem.

His response will help USHPA hang glider pilots understand the mindset of their chosen ruling class and perhaps enlighten them as to how things have reached this sorry state against a backdrop of over 1,400 paragliding fatalities and truly countless serious injuries (which, believe me, have NOT gone unnoticed by insurance company actuaries).

And we do what we can over here to make it easy for the insurance companies to see what's going on with hang gliding.

Within a few weeks of beginning my investigation of paragliding fatalities, my access was denied. However, a thread was initiated by the moderators under my name, entitled "Rick Masters on Flight Safety", to which I was unable to respond.

Reminds me a bit of these titles from:
- Bob:
-- Understanding Tow Releases
-- Discussion with Tad about Towing / Foot Launch
- Rick:
-- Discuss Tad here
- Davis:
-- Tad's release
-- Tad's release (more)
-- Tad's release (even more)

Note that Tad also has been unable to respond - for many years now. (Motherfucker.)

http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26621
Rick Masters on flight safety

Rick Masters - 2009/08/12 23:37:25 UTC

The risk inherent in paragliding is often referred to by paraglider pilots as a "risk vs. reward" judgement...

Josh Cohn - 2009/08/13 17:50:42 UTC
El Cerrito, California

Shouldn't this thread be in the Cloudbase Cafe? Or maybe a new Forum "Annoying but Occasionally Funny Cranks who May Very Well Have Dementia"? Consolidating all Rick Masters posts to one thread sounds like a good idea. Or perhaps just paraphrasing each of his posts to "PDMC!"

Paul Murdoch - 2009/08/13 22:18:16 UTC
Jacksonville, Oregon

Why?

Josh raises a very good point. This guy may very well be demented. He hasn't flown anything since what, 1978? He's never flown a PG. Yet here he is, repeatedly posting the same irrelevant material. His opinions aren't educated germane or based on facts.

He is essentially the drunk, delusional guy on the street with tin foil on his head, a belt made of string and no shoe laces. He hands us a pamphlet explaining why President Obama and Osama Bin Laden are the same person.

And most of our responses are... to pick his illogical argument apart, based on logic.

Shouldn't we just mumble no thanks, give him a dime and throw the pamphlet away?

Irrelevant material? You USHPA hang gliding members have my sympathies. That's all.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/07 00:15:19 UTC

Within a few weeks of beginning my investigation of paragliding fatalities, my access was denied.

That's the usual tactic (most recently exhibited by the Crestline Soaring Society against myself, Joe, and Phil).

And, four years and the better part of five days ago, exhibited by The Bob Show (meaning Emperor Bob after consulting and attempting to gain a consensus with NO ONE) against T** at K*** S******. No, wait. That was just Emperor Bob dealing with an unrepentant child molester in order to make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit - and not wanting to risk the safety of our precious little people of varying ages by consulting and attempting to gain a consensus with anyone against T** at K*** S******.

Just shut people up rather than addressing their concerns.

Imagine! Certainly NOTHING like:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions

What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.

This guy may very well be demented...

That's another common tactic - name calling and smearing. They prefer to slander someone than actually address their concerns.

So now they've lost their insurance and they're going around pan-handling to the members to try to build up another pot of money that they'll lose in short order.

There's a reason that USHPA has become uninsurable by those who know that business. USHPA is hoping that the members who contribute ... aren't that smart. They're doing their best to be sure that no one mentions this, and that's why they're calling on the "insiders" to silence anyone who questions their scheme.

USHPA caused this problem by shooting the messengers who pointed out the problems. Have they given any indication that anything has changed?

And remember this, Bob?

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Orion Price - 2013/03/11 15:12:28 UTC

Final bit of troll food, I read about Tad's reputation this morning.

Tad Eareckson is a generally discounted crackpot and internet troll. He doesn't fly and has been perma-banned from most everywhere: .org, oz report and all the local club websites with discussion forums like ours.

He has two main speaking points. 1. All HG landings should be done prone as belly landings using wheels. All other foot landings are suicidal, he will say. He schadenfreudes hard at our accidents and especially fatalities 2. He is a self proclaimed "engineer" and inventor of Rube Goldberg tow bridles. As you can see his elegant designs are a huge commercial success sweeping the industry. His explanation of how his bridles work indicated he doesn't have any education on the subject.




His situation reminds me of a tragedy of a family friend. As began to loose his edge, he proportionality wanted to write people weirder and weirder letters. Newspaper editors, distant relatives, and especially the government would receive long rants pointing out his intelligence and schadenfreuding over their failures. Eventually his internet usage had to be monitored, and his snail-mail letters "mailed" by someone else. The failure mode exhibited here is nearly identical.

He may not fly, but I do. And it's all about the flying.

[/feeding weird internet troll]

Fuckin' IDENTICAL to what the bagger douchebags were doing to Rick.

His opinions aren't educated germane or based on facts.

His explanation of how his bridles work indicated he doesn't have any education on the subject.

Boilerplate attacks from u$hPa/Industry operatives/saboteurs. And you stood by and did SHIT - 'cause it wasn't any of YOUR oxen getting gored.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5034
USHPA mailer re: donations for RRG

Greg Angsten - 2015/12/17 21:46:14 UTC
Westchester

So everybody should climb out of their canoe in the middle of the rapids and into Bob's, which has no paddle.

Which way is u$hPa going, what is the outcome if it continues in that direction, and what do they say about people doing the same thing over and over expecting better results?

Robert Kuczewski - 81898
- H4 - 2005/09/13 - Steve Stackable - 2012/09/30 - FL AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR
- P4 - 2006/04/11 - Ken Baier - FL CL FSL HA RLF RS TUR

Rob Burgis - 2015/12/18 17:58:35 UTC

For the record, your new incoming president...

As opposed to your OLD incoming president.

...sides with the outgoing one, 100% on this issue.

You and Greg respectively? So does that mean that 51 percent of the Sylmar club is totally on board with this position? 51 percent of the members who voted? How many was that. When I was involved with the Capitol club one became president 'cause nobody else wanted to do it.

NMERider - 2015/12/19 06:48:54 UTC

According to my recollection of the evidence presented for Bob Kuczewski's expulsion from USHPA he gave testimony under oath for which he was not qualified to give by any stretch of the imagination.

1. According to your RECOLLECTION? Why don't you just go to the transcript so's you don't need to RECALL anything? What? No transcript? Why do you think that is? If you were legitimately expelling someone from the organization wouldn't you want a transcript to document the necessity and fairness of the proceedings?

2. Wasn't qualified by any stretch of the imagination?

Robert Kuczewski - 81898
- H4 - 2005/09/13 - Steve Stackable - 2012/09/30 - FL AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR
- P4 - 2006/04/11 - Ken Baier - FL CL FSL HA RLF RS TUR

- Looks pretty fuckin' qualified to me. He got those ratings from u$hPa, right? And if he's got those Advanced ratings in both flavors and he's not qualified then that in itself is a damned good case against u$hPa's legitimacy.

- And how many of the assholes on the Board who backed Bob's expulsion for giving unqualified testimony were as qualified as Bob was?

- Think Bob might have presented his rating card to the court and that the court determined that he WAS in fact qualified by some stretch of the imagination to give testimony under oath?

3. So if Bob was giving false testimony under oath how come I haven't heard any mention of the word "perjury"?

4. Wanna hear some false testimony regarding Shannon's situation from a Gliderport pilot at the time of the incident?

028-050004
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Brad Geary - 2011/07/24

Shannon had a minor accident. ... I don't know details - I saw it from the air...

008-022312
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Brad Geary

Um... I think it was pretty severe. Judging by the way she hit the ground I'm gonna guess she probably has a collarbone, shoulder, arm, rib injury... Something like that. Probable lung injury...

Zack

Lung injury?

Brad Geary

Lungs? She hit on her side pretty hard. It would be like falling off of a rooftop and landing on your side. So like probably... She probably had...

047-110222
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7664/17203775132_7178d0f39f_o.png

...a lot of damage in that area. I don't know. We're not gonna know until a little later here.

In effect, Bob betrayed over 9000 UHSPA members in furtherance of his personal spat against the Jebb family and in the process helped place the sports of hang gliding and paragliding in permanent jeopardy.

1. Not all nine thousand members of that shit organization feel that way, Jonathan. A pretty good chunk of the people involved in the discussions were outraged by u$hPa's conduct - including some who were no fans of Bob's by any means - and many declared they'd be dropping their memberships in protest.

2. The Jebb family is ultra corrupt dangerous scum.

3. Bob HELPED place the sports of hang gliding and paragliding in PERMANENT jeopardy? Pretty damned good for one person not qualified by any stretch of the imagination to give testimony in a paragliding incident case. How 'bout Kelly Harrison? He's still a really great guy who was just a bit shy in the risk management department on one flight in the course of a long Hang Five career.

Bob should do the honorable thing and go into permanent hiding.

Yeah? So cite something from Bob's testimony that had no legitimacy and tell me why u$hPa's top notch, highly qualified hang glider pilot attorney was totally unable to discredit Bob to the satisfaction of the court.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/19 17:55:17 UTC

According to my recollection of the evidence presented for Bob Kuczewski's expulsion from USHPA he gave testimony under oath for which he was not qualified to give by any stretch of the imagination.

False. My testimony was solid because it was true.

I'd say if there's a midair which seriously injures a P1 student flying in traffic at a Hang Four minimum soaring site while she's under active instruction by a flight school that's about 500.0 percent the fault and responsibility of the flight school. And it sounds like the court reached the same conclusion.

In effect, Bob betrayed over 9000 UHSPA members in furtherance of his personal spat against the Jebb family and in the process helped place the sports of hang gliding and paragliding in permanent jeopardy.

False again. You confuse cause and effect. The cause of Shannon's injuries was an out-of-control concessionaire. The cause of the out-of-control concessionaire was USHPA's failure to provide any meaningful oversight of their buddies at Torrey. The injuries and my testimony were inevitable consequences of USHPA's actions. Your willingness to blame the injured party is [polite]disappointing[/polite].

Bob should do the honorable thing and go into permanent hiding.

I use my name openly, "Tangent Man", because I am proud of standing up for justice.

When it suits your own purposes. And turning blind eyes and perpertrating all the grotesque injustice you can manage whenever anything else suits your purposes.

A young woman put her trust in the hands of people who [polite]didn't deserve it[/polite] and was badly injured.

And a darling little person of a varying age taking a tandem paragliding "lesson" at the time who witnessed it was...

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...traumatized for life.

USHPA - the organization she joined as a member - betrayed her trust.

Welcome to the club. That's all u$hPa does - and has been doing since I started in the sport over 35 years ago.

Even worse, USHPA's [polite]expulsion hearing[/polite] against me is their threat to all members not to break the "code of silence" on dangerous practices. That's what makes them uninsurable.

One of many things.

An insurable organization would work to fix problems and provide a reward system for whistle blowers.

Exactly the way you do on The Bob Show. I like the way you got right to the bottom of the Terry Mason fatality and punished Sam by putting him on your Fake Board of Directors.

An uninsurable organization tries to cover up problems and blame those who report them.

Alan Crouse - 2015/12/19 18:12:17 UTC

What About Bob?

Once Bob tried to work for the good of pilots. Few traces of that Bob remain as he has been consumed by his vendetta against Torrey.

Mutually exclusive, huh?

We don't even have to look outside this posting string to see how he mis-represents the facts to suit his purposes.

From Bob's post above: "I know because I was an expert witness in that case (as was Dennis Pagen and others)". - Any reasonable person would think that meant that Bob and Dennis and others were working together.

I'm not a reasonable person and so wouldn't assume that.

In fact, Bob was all alone in his version of events.

So the court didn't just count the people on the opposing sides of the issue and decide the case on the basis of that arithmetic?

Dennis Pagen and every other expert...

1. Every "OTHER" expert? So you're conceding that Bob was, in fact, a qualified expert.
2. Dennis Pagen an expert? How much of the crap from this lying sonuvabitch have you actually read?

...was on the other side of the table!

WOW! All that firepower against li'l ol' not-qualified-by-any-stretch-of-the-imagination Bob. And the good guys still lost.

Mark's right. We don't have a JUSTICE system. We have a LEGAL system that's always finding in the favor of very small parties not qualified by any stretch of the imagination and against huge parties with qualifications oozing out their ears and asses.

I feel very sorry for the Bob we have today.

How 'bout T** at K*** S******? Got any sympathy left over for him?

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/19 18:57:50 UTC

Once Bob tried to work for the good of pilots.

My vision and focus have never changed. Unlike you, Alan, I have remained uncorrupted by my close contact with the USHPA central command.

Any reasonable person would think that meant that Bob and Dennis and others were working together.

No. Only someone who didn't actually read what I wrote would make that assumption. Only someone trying to twist my words to mean something else would make that assumption. That's the kind of "evidence" that USHPA uses to expel people and it's not evidence at all.

I mentioned Dennis Pagen to point out that USHPA members and Directors testified on both sides of this case. The case was between two parties - neither of which were USHPA itself. It could be argued that if USHPA were to take any side, they should have taken Shannon's since she was a USHPA member. But members get no support from USHPA when they're wronged by USHPA's buddies.

In Shannon's case - as in every case - both sides have a right to a defense and to call witnesses. It's up to the jury to sort it out. That's the best justice system we have. USHPA's actions by expelling me are an attempt to subvert that system and deny injured parties the right to expert witnesses with experience in our sports.

I feel very sorry for the Bob we have today.

Alan, I have remained true to my principles of fairness - whether it's for David Beardslee or Shannon Hamby or even for David Jebb.

Well yeah. None of them are unrepentant child molesters.

It is you who've been corrupted by your exposure to USHPA's intense internal peer pressure. Please feel sorry for your own lost soul.

u$hPa operatives were all hatched without them.
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Edit - 2015/12/21 13:30:00 UTC

Amended the false testimony documentation regarding Shannon's minor accident.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5034
USHPA mailer re: donations for RRG

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/19 22:24:57 UTC

Back on Topic of the RRG

OK, back onto Bob's original topic ...

The reason we're in this mess is because USHPA has had a monopoly on hang gliding insurance.

Think about it. If Geico, or Allstate, or Progressive, or any other insurance company went out of business, what would you do?

The answer is easy, you'd shrug your shoulders - maybe grumble about the inconvenience -

Goddam fuckin' safety device.

...and start calling around for an alternative.

Why can't we do that in hang gliding? The answer is because we've fed one monopoly for decades. That's why USHPA has been so lethargic about fixing problems at Torrey and other places. They hold a monopoly, so very few active pilots can quit. We're all "captive" to USHPA.

As I understand it, USHPA's RRG will continue to support their monopoly. They have stated that it will not generally be open to participation from other groups and clubs (like the SHGA, or the CSS, or the Torrey Hawks, or the US Hawks). They want the little guys (individual pilots) to contribute to USHPA directly so they have no bargaining power in this deal. It's not about "saving free flight". It's about USHPA desperately trying to cling to their monopoly.

Have you ever heard U$HPA suggesting ways that your club might free itself of the insurance burden? No. Have you ever heard U$HPA preaching about the laws protecting land owners from recreational use liability? No. Why not?

The answers are clear and they have nothing to do with "Bob Kuczewski". They have to do with the ultimate consequences of all monopolies:
1. Insensitivity to market forces
2. Insensitivity to needs of members
3. An entitlement mentality

DO NOT GIVE YOUR MONEY DIRECTLY TO USHPA.
GIVE IT TO THE SHGA TO USE TO HOLD USHPA ACCOUNTABLE.

What's the downside to that?

With regard to Bob getting the "___" scared out of him ... fear is a powerful weapon that's used to train animals, herd cattle, and control people. Fear was used in fueling the Salem witch trials and it's being used against the sport of hang gliding today. Good men master their fear. Lesser men are mastered by it.

1. Lemme tell ya sumpin' motherfucker... Given enough carefully applied abuse, torture, terror... EVERYBODY cracks. I'd be real careful about rating the quality of people that way.

2. MEN? How 'bout women and people of varying ages?

This is a chance to remake the sport of hang gliding and establish an insurance structure that allows for competition and rewards pilots based on performance rather than politics. Please step up for that future.

Alan Crouse - 2015/12/19 23:34:12 UTC

Sorry Bob B.

Every sport has its gadflies http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gadfly and ours is particularly annoying and occasionally hazardous to the sport. If you want a laugh, take a look at http://www.torreyhawksforum.org/ It's the last organization he started...

I generally ignore him and will henceforth in this thread.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TUGS/message/1167
Tug Rates

Tracy Tillman - 2011/02/12 14:10:11

The proof that I'm a moron, is that I'm making another post to this list.

Anyway, the civility and functionality of this list seems to have degenerated, so I'll try to communicate with some of you about current tug-related issues in some other way for now. Please feel free to email me directly.

Best, Tracy

Sleazy cowardly u$hPa shit.

Little of what he posts stands up to scrutiny.

1. So tell us what DOES?
2. Whose scrutiny?
3. But you're much too busy to quote anything and discredit it.

Sleazy cowardly u$hPa shit.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/20 00:49:46 UTC

... gadflies ...

Name calling and personal attacks will not secure the future of hang gliding at Sylmar or anywhere else, Alan.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=883
What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/28 20:18:03 UTC

Tad was (and is) an unrepentant child molester.

If you want a laugh, take a look at http://www.torreyhawksforum.org/ It's the last organization he started.

Another false statement Alan? The Torrey Hawks was the FIRST hang gliding organization that I helped to start. The LAST (so far) was the Friends of Dockweiler Gliding Society ... currently headed up by Frank Colver. In between those I helped with the Southwest Texas Hang Gliders...

How'd that one work out for Terry Mason?

...and, of course, the national U.S. Hawks Hang Gliding Association.

See http://torreyhawks.org
See http://www.ushawks.org

The site that you listed is a site that Jack Axoupolous...

Axaopoulos.

...(sg) created and controls as a means of smearing people who disagree with him.

And/Or who recognize him as the sleazy, cowardly, lying piece o' shit he actually is.

For you to list that smear site as if it represented the Torrey Hawks in any way is dishonest.

Big freakin' surprise.

Weren't you supposed to be the "no more surprises" RD?

I think he's totally OK on that point, Bob.

I find your public dishonesty surprising ...

Really? Would you find it totally surprising if a fourteen foot Tiger Shark bit off an arm that a thirteen year old girl was dangling in the water off her surf board in the middle of a concentration of sea turtles? I'd find it totally surprising if this shit DIDN'T happen.

...and disturbing.

Well sure. I could go with DISTURBING.

I generally ignore him and will henceforth in this thread. Little of what he posts stands up to scrutiny.

Alan, everything I've posted stands up well to scrutiny. That's why my testimony was so powerful. It was accurate and truthful. All people can make mistakes and I'm no exception.

Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC

I don't know whether you were genuinely doing what you felt was the right thing to do or just looking for convenient justification to finally can Tad, but I believe your actions were inappropriate and set a terrible precedent for your organization.

But the points I've made here stand up so well to scrutiny that all you've offered in response are personal attacks ... and a promise to run away. That's a promise I hope you'll keep.

For everyone else, this is our time in history to start freeing ourselves from the monopoly of a single national association. Use your donation to help give your club a greater role in charting your own future. Donate to the SHGA where you will have greater control of it than the drop in a bucket it will mean at USHPA.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/20 04:20:05 UTC

A third-party perspective

No one can accuse me of being "pro-Tad"...

Not to be confused with "pro TOAD".

...and he's been banned from our...

Who's us?

...forum since about this time in 2011.

1. After a unanimous vote from The Bob Show Board of Directors.
2. Is there a transcript of my expulsion hearing posted somewhere?

If you read his forum, he's got a whole topic devoted to tearing me down.

I started posting over here when you ran your "experiment" to see if butchering my posting rights by locking me down in your Basement would encourage your great friend Scott C. Wise to resume participation. You told me you thought that your Basement was not being picked up by search engines, which was rubbish, and I didn't want to waste my time composing stuff that wasn't gonna show up on search results. So I mirrored it.

That became this topic with the same title as the one I started in your Basement. Devoted to tearing you down? I was happily tearing down assholes under your protection - Sam Kellner and Rick Masters come to mind. But all it's ever really been is fair coverage of your forum/association and relevant activities.

But Tad is a smart guy...

So how come you didn't say that in response to OP's vile attack over there in Grebloville?

...and he reads a lot.

Since he also can't fly anymore.

He also reads through a lot of the smoke that people blow.

That's MOST of what I do. Gets pretty easy after awhile 'cause the patterns are so easily identifiable and predictable.

Here's a recent post of Tad's addressing Jonathan's...

...and others'...

...earlier comments. I removed some of the foul language...

Cut its heart out.

...and inserted attribution to some of the quotes and added some underlining. Here's a link to the original:
http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-720.html#p8841

That looks like it should get ya to the post but only gets ya to the page. THIS:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post8841.html#p8841
gets you to the post.

...

NMERider - 2015/12/20 04:44:45 UTC

Tad's Bob Show forum topic isn't devoted to tearing you down, Bob, any more than your testimony for which you were expelled was factual and truthful.

CITE SOMETHING. Shouldn't be all that difficult.

A good deal of what he posts in that thread is in your favor. Anyhow I enjoy reading Tad's posts and corresponding from time to time. On occasion I post on KiteStrings as well. Anyhow Bob, I wish you well and I wish you Bon Voyage. Feel free to post anything and everything you like on USHawks.org. Have at it!