I don't care about the flack if this saves one person.
Great, Jason. So what's your reason for NEVER hooking your harness into your glider first?Jason Boehm - 2008/09/06 23:38:06 UTC
I NEVER hook my harness into my glider first. I assemble the glider, fold up the bags, take out the harness, put the bags in the harness, put my vario on, inspect the glider, inspect my harness, check out launch conditions, put my harness on
Great. Make sure that beaner's locked. Can't emphasize that enough.Then I either hook in and walk to launch, or walk to launch and hook in, depending on the site.. upon hooking in I lock the beaner
I'm sure you preflight every bit as well and carefully as you write.If i have a wireman I will have him hold the nose and do a hangcheck. If its light I will just do a hangcheck myself, if I am on launch alone and its blowing I will not do a hangcheck(flame away if you like), but will simply look any my connection and make sure my single line is not twisted
1. I don't do periods of time. My memory's not as good as yours.Now I get ready for launch. I pick up the glider and lift it until I feel a tug on my harness then set it back on my shoulders. If i stand on launch for a period of time when i lift the glider to get ready to run I lift until i feel it tug again, then set it back on my shoulders and run
2. So how many times have you been flipped and seriously injured by lifting your wing into the turbulent jet stream?
Bullshit. It just gave you a false sense of security.once when I was a H0 my dad said "are you hooked in" "yes" I replied and then i lifted and lifted and lifted and never felt a tug, scared me good
AND you didn't launch unhooked! Proof that the Aussie Method works great for preventing unhooked launches.Matt Pericles - 2008/09/29 01:17:29 UTC
I tried the "Aussie method" for the first time this weekend. It worked great. It was easier to get in the harness than when it was unhooked because it was being held up - easier to get the legs in. It's also easier to ensure that your hang loops and harness straps are in the correct position. I'm going to do this from now on.
I am sure Relate2 will have peed himself with joy by now.Tom Galvin - 2008/09/29 02:49:46 UTC
I am sure Relate2 will be happy to hear this.
Really? What's wrong with it? Does it give you...It's a good habit to get into, but it is not foolproof.
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...a false sense of security?
Define "just before launching"...I still do a hang check, and just before launching...
http://vimeo.com/39514151
...motherfucker. "Just before launching" is not the same thing as "just before picking up the goddam glider".
You have no fuckin' clue what a hook-in check is.I will do a hook-in check.
So tell us what happened at some point in the forty-nine months subsequent to this post that made you realize that a lift up...Either with a pull through, or a lift up.
http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
HG accident in Vancouver
...only gives a false sense of security. You did post an advisory in response to this near fatal incident, didn't you?Tom Galvin - 2012/10/31 22:17:21 UTC
I don't teach lift and tug, as it gives a false sense of security.
Total fucking asshole.Still not perfect, but a defense in depth.
Wow! Guess you're REALLY sure you're hooked in by the time you start your run off the ramp...Randy Phillips - 2008/09/29 21:06:06 UTC
Newnan, Georgia
Yep, me too. I've been doing it since getting my pod. I also find it easier to preflight my harness and check that I don't have extra slack in my chute bridle.
When I get ready to go I get in the harness, do a pull-through and approach launch. Before stepping up on launch I do a full hang check. So now I have checked that I am hooked in a minimum of three times although sometimes I will do an extra pull through or two between getting in the harness and launching.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25550
Failure to hook in.
Steve Davy - 2011/10/24 10:27:04 UTC
OK- how many times does he need confirm that he is hooked in? And when would be the best time to make that confirmation?
Brian McMahon - 2011/10/24 21:04:17 UTC
Once, just prior to launch.
No fuckin' way you're gonna get a false sense of security with checks as thorough as those in your routine.Christian Williams - 2011/10/25 03:59:58 UTC
I agree with that statement.
What's more, I believe that all hooked-in checks prior to the last one before takeoff are a waste of time, not to say dangerous, because they build a sense of security which should not be built more than one instant before commitment to flight.
Amazing. You've done this since getting your pod a couple dozen flights ago and you haven't launched unhooked yet. Huge improvement over your previous record.It works for me and so far...
If you do NOTHING in the way of checks the chances of you launching unhooked in the course of several hundred flights is gonna be damned low. Even if you don't hook in there's a pretty fair chance - I'd say much better than fifty/fifty that somebody's gonna catch the problem.
Well lemme show you a negative...I haven't found any negatives other than a little more dust on my harness.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18695
How could this accident happen?
But you just keep on basing your procedures on nothing beyond your own personal experiences to date. If it ain't broke...William Olive - 2010/01/28 04:50:53 UTC
Phil Beck did this twice (or was that three times?) in a day at Hexham (Victoria) one time while foot launch aerotow testing gliders. Of course, with a swag of gliders to test fly, Phil would unclip from the glider he'd just landed, then clip into the next one to be tested.
Except, at least twice, he didn't clip in.
You mean the event at which Bill Priday ran off Whitwell without his glider on this precise date three years ago in the very first attempt at aviation?Michael Bradford - 2008/10/01 10:37:21 UTC
Rock Spring, Georgia
I've been working Team Challenge since Saturday...
Spelled Henson Gap right. Good job....and haven't been here in over a week. I don't even have time now to finish reviewing new posts, but I got this far and have to relate a few experiences while hang checking folks during the competition launches at Henson Gap.
And we needed to see that happen to determine that he wasn't hooked in?In three days, guessing @ 250-350 launches:
(1) Six twisted hook-ins, including some on single-riser rigging.
(2) One pie-in-the-face, flop-on-the-ground 'doh!' ("You're not hooked in, my friend.")
I'm sure you weren't. So how many people were looking for hook-in checks? The usual zero? Maybe twice that in the wake of the 2005 disaster?And I wasn't the only person giving hang checks.
Wow! I'll bet that really put a lot of minds at ease!Yesterday (what a bee-youtifull day) people were getting two and sometimes three independent hang checks during staging, including those who hooked in before preflight.
And you...I don't think a universal change in methods would change that healthy behavior. It shouldn't.
...have determined that that's healthy behavior. So Rob Kells really isn't worth listening to.Michael Bradford - 83152 - H2 - 2005/03/06 - James Tindle - AT
Observation:(3) Observation: Mike Barber "aussies."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NClx_UTDm2U
Mike Barber - Part 2/4
On this issue Mike Barber is a total ass.Mike Barber - 2007/12/25
The Pre-Flight Check
I ALWAYS do a preflight.
Um... I've had people say "You're nervous on takeoff." Why... I mean... You know... When I'm doing my preflights and it's, yes, I'm nervous because... I've forgotten things.
And there's pilots... Eventually, if you're not careful - VERY careful - you will forget to hook in - or you will forget a pin and have the glider fold up.
When you do your setup don't talk to anyone, do not let anyone distract you... This is very important. To break your routine... Never break your routine. Don't have any distraction.
Then... I always preflight again and always do hang checks 'cause I've launched unhooked... I've forgotten my belly's band, I've forgotten my leg straps... ALL of them ALWAYS due to a distraction. So... That part... Be very very careful.
I have. I started thinking about it in 1980 really hard and adopted a very simple, logical, distraction proof, non focus dependent, nearly effortless strategy...So, think about it. That's all I'm sayin'.
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...that's never once failed any of the very few people smart enough to employ it.