landing

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32492
landing my U2 -160

piano_man - 2015/02/18 02:42:57 UTC
Georgia

A hg buddy filmed this landing on Jan. 21, 2015

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WENSWtAWMLI

Dave Hopkins - 2015/02/18 03:04:53 UTC

I watched your video. The next one that popped up was a pilot that crashed landing there. The most dangerous aspect of both videos is that...

...they take place at Lockout Mountain Flight Park.

...the pilots stayed in prone much too long getting to close to the ground still on the base bar.

Go fuck yourself, Dave.

Luckily the other pilot had wheels and they worked...

LUCKILY? If someone came in with a helmet and crashed would anyone say, "LUCKILY he had a helmet."?

...but it was a big risk.

Any chance we can get a link to the video so we can have a shot at deciding?

This will kill us ! It's a bad habit. It bad piloting. It has killed many pilots.

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It's not necessary to get the glider down.

NOTHING's necessary to get a glider down. If it goes up I can one hundred percent guarantee you it WILL come down.

Learn to control your approach altitudes better. .

Learn to control your typing better before you start dictating how people should execute the most dangerous mandatory maneuver we have in this sport.

The only thing cool about coming in head down is the temperature of a dead body. Very cool.

And this total bullshit just under five months after the Joe Julik fatality that nobody ever talks about.

Steve Baran - 2015/02/18 12:50:41 UTC

Nothing wrong with getting on the DTs early.

There's EVERYTHING wrong with getting on the downtubes early. 'Specially coming into a mega putting green like...

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...that one.

I find I can get and keep speed up quite well while upright in my 160 - especially on a base to final turn whilst upright.

And I find I can drive my BMW quite well over the legal Blood Alcohol Content limit - especially making lane changes in heavy Beltway traffic. So obviously...

The added drag of being upright helps in slowing down as well...

Yeah. And SLOWING DOWN as you approach the surface is exactly what you wanna be doing when you're turning base to final...

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You certainly don't wanna be flying fast around hard stuff. That's just plain stupid.

...and I've not had any issues going back to the basetube if needed.

IF NEEDED? Why would anyone NEED to go back to the basetube during a landing approach? You've got so much better control and ability to slow the glider down when you're upright on the downtubes.

However, quick hand motion from basetube to DTs can intersect the rear tail wires...

It damn near always does...

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And even if you do manage to run your hand INBOARD of the fucking wire:

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you're still likely to get an interference issue.

...if one is not really dialed into the glider.

Fuck being really dialed into your goddam glider.

- Hang gliding is geared for and dependent upon the weekend recreational pilot not professional assholes and parasites like Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight and Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney. A procedure which requires somebody to be really wired into his glider at low altitude WILL translate to an eternity of crashes.

- Taking a hand off the CONTROL BAR; successfully navigating past a wire that couldn't be much better placed to fuck one up while dealing with shit like wind shadow, gradient, mechanical turbulence, gusts; putting it on a downtube where you can't control the glider and where after you can't control the glider and crash you're begging to get an arm broken doesn't have a goddam thing to do with being dialed into your goddam glider.

The rest of the landing looked pretty good - decent speed and nice runout.

So why did he need to land on his feet? Isn't that pretty much all about...

Dave Hopkins - 2015/02/18 03:04:53 UTC

The only thing cool about coming in head down is the temperature of a dead body. Very cool.

...trying to LOOK cool?

Hang Gliding - 2004/10

Christian Thoreson

Thus wheel landings, the safest and easiest way to consistently land a hang glider (yes, I know many people will have much discussion over that comment)...
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Christian Thoreson has been actively flying hang gliders since 1979 and has been the flight school director at Lookout Mountain Flight Park since 1990.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32492
landing my U2 -160

piano_man - 2015/02/21 14:52:34 UTC

Thanks for all the comments everyone.

You're not hearing comments from...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25302
Interview with Davis Straub, OzReport founder

Jack Axaopoulos - 2012/02/24 15:00:21 UTC

Tad has been BANNED again.

The "Extremist 1%" is not allowed on this site. Go crawl back under your rock with Bob and the other extremists that get themselves banned from every site and group they deal with. You guys have a marvelous record of getting along with people.

...EVERYONE.

Dave, I'll work on rethinking & improving my whole approach routine. IMO Anything that increases our safety margin is first & foremost; certainly light years ahead of being or looking "cool".

Everything except, of course, staying prone and landing on the wheels. That doesn't look cool.

Doug Doerfler - 2015/02/21 15:20:02 UTC

How does flying with less control make you safer?

Precisely the same way a Rooney Link Pilot In Command increases the safety of the towing operation - PERIOD.

The only thing wrong with that landing was a bit of a weak flare where you pushed out not up.

But the important thing was he stopped it on his feet.

Mike Van Kuiken - 2015/02/21 19:46:10 UTC

I completely disagree with the statement that flying prone is more dangerous.

You and reality.

Most bad landing videos seem to show pilots flying too slow with less control cause they're on the dt's.

'Specially the ones...

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5545
"Jedi" Joe Julik - Gone But Never Forgotten

Tiffany Smith - 2014/09/30 15:28

It is with a very heavy heart that I share the news of our beloved Jedi-Joe's [Joseph Julik] passing. Even as I write this I still can't believe that he's gone....so surreal....so sudden....so unfair. He meant a lot to a lot of people, spreading smiles and laughter wherever he went, would give you the shirt off his back, cook 3 meals a day for an army of many, hug you like he meant it.....this is such a terrible loss.

Joe had been at Whitewater, MN all weekend, towing and flying his happy head off. Sunday night he made a deal to purchase a Topless glider.....he was landing his first flight on it Monday morning when he stalled after transition and couldn't recover....landed hard.

Fred Kaemerer - 2014/10/07 16:10

I attended the funeral with JZ, Tiffany, Larry, Craig Austin and over 200 of Joe's friends and family. It was a wonderful tribute to a very special person and Larry, in particular, had wonderful words to say in the evening as we all gathered to honor Joe's memory and his spirit.

I was given the video of the final seconds of his flight - ending just before impact. It captures the causes of his crash. I'm going to meet with Mark to discuss what happened and I'd then like to share the video in a group setting - there are lessons to be learned.

...we're never allowed to see (out of respect for the family, of course).

You have much less roll control from there. Turbulence of any kind will have its way with you. On approach flying low and slow with little roll control is a much bigger hazard. Get down to the ground with plenty of speed and let that speed bleed off till trim...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings

Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC

I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.

...and flare.

Yeah...

http://forum.hanggliding.org/download/file.php?id=18967


What's the worst that could happen?

You'll cut through any turbulence and really be able to "feel" the glider.

You mean fly it near the ground the way it's designed and certified to be flown? That's a little weird, donchya think?

Hope I don't jinx myself here but that's the way I've been doing it for over twelve years now and I have yet to bust a single downtube.

2015/02/21 19:55:55 UTC - 3 thumbs up - michael170

Heli1 - 2015/02/21 21:09:13 UTC
Norway

I partly agree with you.

'Cept, of course, for all the actual points he made.

Regarding roll control, it's better in the upright position due to leverage in relationship to the pivot point. (or is it apex point. English is not my first language )
Also in pitch control. That's why we flare with the hands higher up the down tubes.

That gives you RANGE - that you should never need unless you've done something really stupid - at the EXPENSE of leverage, along with tons of upper speed range which you may need to avoid ending up like:

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But only for pushing out.
For pulling in, you have far more leverage in the prone position.

As you do for pushing out and roll control.

And that give you the important speed control during landing.

There's nothing important DURING landing. All that's important is that you end up on your feet with a no-stepper on the old Frisbee in the middle of the LZ.

The best landing position probably depends on the situation...

Narrow dry riverbed with large rocks strewn all over the place - upright maybe. The places in which people ACTUALLY land - prone on the wheels or skids.

...and whatever the pilot feels best.

Fuck what the idiot "pilot" FEELS is best.

My 2 cents

Now I jinx myselfe too.
Cheers
Jan

Mike Van Kuiken - 2015/02/21 22:19:22 UTC

Not sure how you can get more roll control flying from the downtubes. When flying tandems from the top harness in an over/under setup, you just don't have as much roll authority 'cause your shoulders are higher and more wedged in the control frame. Anybody else want to weigh in on that?

Sure but...

Jack Axaopoulos - 2012/02/24 15:00:21 UTC

The "Extremist 1%" is not allowed on this site.

I liked the approach the guy had in the U2 160 video. he just didn't flare properly.

There's no such thing as a proper flare in that field - or, for that matter, any other place in which it's safe to land.

Looked like he pushed out more when he should've pushed up more. The approach looked solid.

As opposed to:

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Paul Hurless - 2015/02/21 23:54:12 UTC

You have less control in any of the axis when upright because your hands are closer to the fulcrum point of the control frame apex. More control is available by having your hands at the bottom of the down tubes and even more when on the control bar.

A sane statement from Paul Hurless. Go figure.

We flare from higher on the tubes only because...

..we're total idiots who wanna look cool.

...our arms aren't usually long enough to do a good job of it...

"It" being taking the positive pitch placard limitation for the plane and doubling multiplying by a factor of two.

...when holding lower down.
Longer lever arm = more control authority.

What kind of control authority do you have when you're locking out and making the easy reach to a brake lever velcroed to a downtube or a bent pin barrel release on a pro toad bridle?

michael170 - 2015/02/24 06:54:08 UTC

Steve Pearson staying in prone much too long:

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Mark Wager getting upright early for a nice safe foot landing:

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Take your pick.

Can I pick for some of these assholes?

Comet - 2015/02/24 08:22:49 UTC

Dave Hopkins - 2015/02/18 03:04:53 UTC

I watched your video...

Amazing how quick forum members are to start making the pronouncements of impending death.

And what if those predictions of impending death are accurate? I called Zack Marzec eleven and a half days before he became the most useful statistic this sport has seen since early 1981.

Extremism has the opposite effect you are looking for.

Fuck you. There are extremes of intelligence and stupidity. People can't differentiate... Tough shit.

It turns people off of what you are saying and taints your credibility.

'Specially if you're right.

It was a good landing: he didn't stay prone at all.

So then this one:

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totally sucked.

He got upright but kept a grip on the basetube for better control.

Was his control as good as it would've been if he hadn't gotten upright but kept a grip on the basetube for better control?

That may be the best of both worlds.

Do we need two worlds on this one? Can we hear some of you assholes telling us why we shouldn't be landing on wheels in that field?

Just tell him what you think he can improve and skip all the hyperbole.

I'll tell him what I KNOW and include all the hyperbole I feel like. If/When I don't get through to my target audience - which is damn near always - I can bank on getting some really great toldyasos in the not too distant future.

2015/02/24 08:28:29 UTC - 3 thumbs up - IdeFly
2015/02/24 14:26:26 UTC - 3 thumbs up - NMERider

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32492
landing my U2 -160

Mike Van Kuiken - 2015/02/25 16:22:58 UTC

It would be nice if there was a statistic on landing accidents that happen with pilots on the downtubes vs. pilots that stay on the basetube till ground effect.

Dude!:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic10.html
landing

I'll bet people would change their minds about flying their glider from the downtubes before hitting ground effect.

This assumes that the assholes who fly hang gliders HAVE functional minds. They DO NOT. It took about 32 years to start breaking away from Donnell Hewett's totally moronic One G Infallible Weak Link concept and its ten times as moronic Standard Aerotow Weak Link spawn. And we're now actually in many ways in WORSE shape with the new moronic Standard Aerotow Weak Link because the Industry total douchebags who gave us the original...

http://www.questairforce.com/aero.html
Aerotow FAQ

Quest Air

Equipment and Accessories

Weak Link

The strength of the weak link is crucial to a safe tow. It should be weak enough so that it will break before the pressure of the towline reaches a level that compromises the handling of the glider but strong enough so that it doesn't break every time you fly into a bit of rough air. A good rule of thumb for the optimum strength is one G, or in other words, equal to the total wing load of the glider. Most flight parks use 130 lb. braided Dacron line, so that one loop (which is the equivalent to two strands) is about 260 lb. strong - about the average wing load of a single pilot on a typical glider. For tandems, either two loops (four strands) of the same line or one loop of a stronger line is usually used to compensate for nearly twice the wing loading. When attaching the weak link to the bridle, position the knot so that it's hidden from the main tension in the link and excluded altogether from the equation.

IMPORTANT - It should never be assumed that the weak link will break in a lockout.
ALWAYS RELEASE THE TOWLINE before there is a problem.

...were attempting/pretending to use actual numbers to justify the crap they were pulling. Now we use whatever Davis happens to be happy with at any given moment. The concept of a ratio of weak link strength to glider capacity or weight...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=12587
weak links (here we go)

flyhg1 - 2009/06/23 14:33:36 UTC

Well, it is supposed to be there to keep you from overstressing your aircraft which is why the breaking strength is specified as a function of the weight of the glider (maximum certificated weight in the case of a sailplane FWIW) which Tad likes to convert to Gs.

...is deader than a fuckin' doornail.

You can get almost as upright from the basetube anyway.

Who gives a flying fuck? Show me some goddam videos of people landing where getting upright does anything but sharply increase the likelihood of a crash.

You just have more control.

Oh, you mean like?:

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings

Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC

I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25536
Whoops! Snapped another tip wand :-O

NMERider - 2012/03/14 15:17:14 UTC

I refuse to come in with both hands on the downtubes ever again. I have had some very powerful thermals and gusts kick off and lost control of the glider due to hands on the downtubes. I prefer both hands on the control bar all the way until trim and ground effect. I have been lifted right off the deck in the desert and carried over 150 yards.

"If you're low and slow you're outta control!"

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 17:34:33 UTC

Remember, a weak link improves safety.
Say it over and over and over in your head until it sinks in.

[Tad Eareckson]

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landing my U2 -160

littlepilot - 2015/02/25 16:47:52 UTC
Ellenville

I believe this might help with some debate over prone vs. upright on landing. This pilot, a personal friend, is very skilled, experienced, and very safe, and also has a lot of fun in the air as you can see. This is an approach he does on a regular basis at Ellenville flight park, and something he has practiced many, many times. Notice that when he is prone near the ground, he has lots of airspeed. He transitions to the down-tubes a full six seconds before his feet touch the ground. Six seconds!!!! That is ample time to bleed off the extra airspeed and have control. It is worth noting that he only does this in glass off conditions when the wind in the LZ is almost nothing and the air is stable. Just a thought. Also notice how he allows the glider to climb just a little after going up to the down-tubes to give himself a large safety margin. And he pulls off a near perfect landing, like always.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cEsFEmNn7g


Sorry the link is in mobile format...

I believe this might help with some debate over prone vs. upright on landing.

There is no DEBATE. There's blindingly obvious common sense versus astronomic perpetual stupidity.

This pilot, a personal friend...

I'm guessing:

Justin LaMarche - 83643 - H4 - 2010/03/23 - Paul Voight - AT FL ST T1 TFL AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR XC - ADV INST, MNTR

...is very skilled, experienced, and very safe...

So were Kunio Yoshimura and Zack Marzec until the afternoons of 2008/08/30 and 2013/02/02 respectively.

...and also has a lot of fun in the air as you can see.

No shit. And therefore doesn't have the time to go online and help us muppets become very skilled, experienced, and very safe pilots.

This is an approach he does on a regular basis at Ellenville flight park, and something he has practiced many, many times.

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Oh my God!

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He's doing a hard turn under two hundred feet!

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Warn me next time so's I'll know to avert my gaze.

Notice that when he is prone near the ground...

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...he has lots of airspeed.

And he must have a really good helmet to be leading with his head like that!

He transitions to the downtubes a full six seconds before his feet touch the ground.

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Six seconds!!!!

Wow!!!!

Here's Steve Pearson:

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starting to transition a tiny bit over a full two seconds before touching down. And here's Niki Longshore:

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not transitioning at all to the stupid fucking downtubes. And I like what she’s doing a lot more than either of the other guys - despite the obvious and severe risk of head injury she's incurring.

That is ample time to bleed off the extra airspeed and have control.

Yeah, it always is...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25536
Whoops! Snapped another tip wand :-O

NMERider - 2012/03/14 15:17:14 UTC

I refuse to come in with both hands on the downtubes ever again. I have had some very powerful thermals and gusts kick off and lost control of the glider due to hands on the downtubes. I prefer both hands on the control bar all the way until trim and ground effect. I have been lifted right off the deck in the desert and carried over 150 yards.

...until you're in a situation in which you actually NEED control.

It is worth noting that he only does this in glass off conditions when the wind in the LZ is almost nothing and the air is stable.

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No shit. Aren't these landings that we need to spend our lives perfecting so we can safely land in narrow dry riverbeds with large rocks strewn all over the place in nasty XC conditions just great for landing in primary putting greens in glassy smooth and sled conditions!

So tell us what he does in NON bored outta yer skull conditions...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings

Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC

I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.

Same thing Steve Pearson does? Scraps the stunt landing bullshit and goes for control and survivability instead?

Just a thought.

Yeah, ya actually need more than...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31546
Wheel Landings: Broadening the Window

NMERider - 2014/07/11 02:54:08 UTC

Even Ryan Voight, the self-proclaimed master of the one-step landing admitted that he too had reservations about flying XC.

...just one or two really shallow ones.

Also notice how he allows the glider to climb just a little after going up to the downtubes to give himself a large safety margin.

1. Yeah, it's really hard to beat climbing and slowing down near the end of final as a technique for increasing your safety margin. You have so many more options that way.

2. Such a huge safety margin, in fact, that he has absolutely no need of wheels. He's got a parachute - 'cause who knows what could happen to ya over two hundred feet - but what's the worst that could happen to a glider on final under ten feet.

3. Compare/Contrast his large safety margin to Niki's or...

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...Doug's.

4. Bullshit. That's not what he's doing...



He's letting the bar out to trim so the glider doesn't turn sideways when he takes a hand off the basetube to go to a downtube. It's only really safe to take a hand off the basetube to go to a downtime when you've got the bar stuffed fighting a low level lockout and need to make the easy reach to your Quallaby lever.

And he pulls off a near perfect landing, like always.

A new Patron Saint of Perfect Landings - to maybe follow in the huge footsteps of Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney.

Bullshit. This guy's an instructor for Paul Voight and does nothing but fly all the time. And, speaking as a former instructor who did nothing but fly all the time, when you do nothing but fly all the time you can pull off near perfect stunt landings on primary putting greens in easy conditions like always - like you won't be able to when you're a recreational flyer who just goes out on good weekends. And it's stupid to think otherwise.

This is not the individual or "landing" technique you wanna be emulating. If you wanna minimize the likelihood of crashes and injuries and maximize your fun and enjoyment then emulate Niki. Doing this bullshit:



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Paragliding Collapses

Jim Rooney - 2011/06/12 13:57:58 UTC

Most common HG injury... spiral fracture of the humerus.

is just begging for trouble.

Sorry the link is in mobile format...

1. Not any more.
2. How much trouble would it have been to put it into standard displayable format?
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landing my U2 -160

Jason Boehm - 2015/02/25 23:00:03 UTC

michael170 - 2015/02/24 06:54:08 UTC

Steve Pearson staying in prone much too long:
http://vimeo.com/39385390

Mark Wager getting upright early for a nice safe foot landing:
http://vimeo.com/101206617

Take your pick.

LOOK AT THAT.....TWO STUPID POSTS.....

Actually two stupid videos in one stupid post - but math was never your thing neither.

michael170 - 2015/02/26 07:52:17 UTC

Jason found the shift key. Now he can use capital letters!

And he's really good at holding the period key down as well.

Will he be able to use this new found functionality effectively?

Don Arsenault - 2015/02/26 09:45:02 UTC

...and yet I would still take his advice about flying over yours anyday, and I'm not here for advice about English, so...

1. Good. The guy's an asshole. Go for it. Coming from a Mike Robertson background you should feel pretty comfortable with him.

2. And be sure it's ADVICE you take from him. You wouldn't wanna muster any thought processes to be able to UNDERSTAND the issues.

3. I'd tell you that "anyday" is two words but you're not here for advice about English.

4. You wanna take "ADVICE" about aviation issues from somebody who can't be bothered to get grade school English right... So what's your "thinking" in regards to him having bothered to get the aviation issues right? Have you read the excellent book, Towing Aloft, by Dennis Pagen and Bill Bryden? There are two or three fuckups on damn near every page. You wanna bet your life on crap like that? Be my guest. Love to have you as another data point.

[Tad Eareckson]

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Accident at the 2015 World Championships

Davis Straub - 2015/03/11 13:16:02 UTC

The British team writes:

All pilots were instructed not to fly to goal due to an accident in the goal field needing a helicopter.

Christian Vioblet broke his shoulder landing. Steve Blenkinsop was also slightly injured there.

So what were these guys using in the way of wheels?

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Oh yeah. Forgot...

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Hotshot comp pilots don't need wheels, two point bridles, inappropriate weak links with finished lengths of 1.5 inches or less, weak link protected releases they can actually use in emergencies... They've all been at an around all this plenty long enough to understand what's what and who's who and have really long track records.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41481
Accident at the 2015 World Championships

So four days ago a guy who's apparently a top competitor slams into the designated/goal LZ - which is undoubtedly one of the Happy Acres putting greens that real world hang gliders actually land in - so hard that he needs to be hauled away in a chopper. And the only thing we get to hear about is how the incident affected competition scoring.

And no curiosity about the cause of the incident, severity of the injuries, condition of and prognosis for the pilot whatsoever expressed by the Dedicated Sycophant readership.

Is this a great sport and culture or what!

[Tad Eareckson]

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Wings level (horizon tilted a bit but what the hell), ready to launch.

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Commitment.

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Hook-in check. (Horizon leveling nicely.)

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Launch area under right wing.

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OK, time to start transitioning for a nice safe foot landing.

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Good - one hand up, one down. Plenty of altitude.

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'Bout time to start getting that landing gear down.

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Good. Ready to run if you need to.

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'Bout time to get that other hand up to preliminary landing configuration.

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Oops.

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Got it. Now we can start working on the secondary issue of getting the horizon back horizontal.

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And make sure your feet are clear. We can worry about flying the glider later. These things pretty much fly themselves anyway.

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Might wanna start thinking 'bout shifting your hands a bit higher so's you can get a good crisp flare and really stop this thing.

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There ya go. Ear level. Good leverage for roll control, great flare authority. Win/Win.

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Horizon might be a bit crooked but that's probably just me.

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Might wanna shift that right hand up a bit. I'm thinking you might need a little better flare authority on that side.

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Where's your spot? Still screened from our view by your right wing?

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Wow! This glider's really floating well! What's its L/D at min sink?

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Still looks a bit crooked to me.

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Oh well, Got it headed back towards the breakdown area anyway. Should save you a bit o' walking.

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OK, now FLARE!

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A bit late on the flare timing. Don't worry, you'll get the feel of it sooner or later. Keep practicing.

Andrew McHugh - 2015/04/06

It was all going so well... good 30 minute flight at Firle, second time I'd flown there; first time I tried to top land there. Flight was exciting; caught a few nice thermals and got some height. The landing was just total pants . I just got a slightly fat lip. The glider I'm still to find out but it's looking like a broken leading edge, broken upright, three bent batons, and a rip in a sail baton hole.

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Landing a Moyes Extralite 164

Jaco Herbst - 2009/08/16 13:42:28 UTC

We fly like that (hands on the control bar)... why not land like that?

George Stebbins - 2009/08/16 17:37:41 UTC

In no particular order, and not a complete list:

01) Because our heads hitting the ground can kill us.
02) Because crashing on our feet is unlikely to kill us.
03) Because we can run faster on our feet than on our ears. (To quote Greg DeWolf.)
04) Because crashing feet first a dozen times is better than crashing head first even one time.
05) Because doing all that stuff (getting upright, moving two hands, keeping pitch correct) all at the same time just before landing is asking for a mistake.
06) Because you should be going fast into your ground skimming, and going fast head-first near the ground is risky. Just ask Chris Muller. Oh wait, you can't: He hit head first. And he was way better than most of us.
07) Because it is inherently obvious to anyone not prejudiced against it that approaching with your landing gear down is better than putting it down at the last second, unless there is some hugely overriding reason not to do so (Space Shuttle is an example.)
08) Because your legs are the strongest bones in your body, and your neck is one of the most fragile.
09) Because I'd rather break my leg (or even arm) than my neck if things go wrong. (Wouldn't you?)
10) Because landing is the most difficult thing we typically do in a hang glider. Why increase the danger?
11) Because I have had too many friends die from head impacts, and a few become (partially) paralyzed. Your mileage may differ.
12) Because I think it is more important to be alive than to have my friends think I am cool.
13) Because dead people are no longer cool. And if in some way they still are, they can't enjoy it.
14) Because the only reason you are used to flying prone more is that you do it more. Fly upright some each flight, and you'll find you can do it quite nicely on landing too. Practice matters.
15) Because there are only three reasons we fly prone at altitude, and none of them should matter much during landing: 1) Streamlining, 2) Comfort, 3) we are used to it.

Asshole.

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[Tad Eareckson]

More of a failure to fly incident than anything else.