Daniels Friday 7/5
Wow Mark. And here I was thinking that:Mark Cavanaugh - 2013/07/19 02:40:14 UTC
The point of these forums is to engage in conversation/ Q&A , not pontification.
Pick one.Mark Cavanaugh - 2022/03/07 08:06:25 UTC
...a forum is a poor substitute for meaningful conversations.
The more highly evolved one is an absolutely moronic meaningless statement. (And here I was thinking that the longer we played in this aviation game the smarter we got about it.)
It's not a SUBSTITUTE - of any quality - for a conversation - of any quality. It's a MEANS of conversation. Like talking, sign language, drums, smoke signals, signal flags, signal lights, pen and paper, printing press, photographs, telegraph, telephone, radio, motion pictures, television, internet... The quality of the conversations depends upon the intelligence, competence, characters of the moderators and participants. Granted, you motherfuckers have zilch going for you but that's no fault of the technology or medium.
And great job...
...on clamping down on damn near every useful molecule of meaningful information on that one - at the moment - to solidify your position on your shitty little forum being a poor substitute for meaningful conversations.Mark Cavanaugh - 2022/03/07 08:06:25 UTC
Family and friends of Ward who may be checking into our forums for the first time might be unaware that we are deliberately not posting very much at the moment.
That's intentional. We don't want to add to their burden.
Did the point of these forums undergo a radical transformation at some point in the intervening years? And just note the author of the next post.
And his last words known by and accessible to the public:Ward Odenwald - 2013/07/19 03:11:45 UTC
"too-little/too-late?" - not even close to going it alone. Pilots in the air, observing the last one in the air is not the best possible arrangement but significantly better than nothing at all or attempting to phone your wife or friend after the fact with the bad news.
http://forums.chgpa.com/viewtopic.php?t=8047
Woodstock tomorrow, March 3rd
Not much, but we'll take it.Ward Odenwald - 2022/03/02 12:16:10 UTC
Forecasts are looking good for Thursday afternoon. Any interest?
http://forums.chgpa.com/viewtopic.php?t=6098
Forum Charter : Flight-Related Topics *Read Before Posting*
chgpa - 2013/11/15 18:23:38 UTC
The Flight-Related Topics forum is intended for posts directly related to FLYING.
"Flight related" is a fairly broad term... But here are some examples of On-Topic issues that are obviously appropriate:
Where are people planning to fly on a given day
Weather forecasts, and their impact on flying plans
Car-pooling arrangements
Discussions about a given flying site's characteristics
Reports of how a flying day turned out
Photos/videos from a flying day
Tracklogs and descriptions of cross-country flights
Accidents/incident reports from pilots who ran into trouble at one of our area sites
Notification of accidents/incidents involving area pilots/friends which occurred at other sites
Site advice for new pilots
Cool new wings/gear that pilots crave
Fly-Ins
Routine/on-going site-maintenance
Introductions by new pilots ("Hi, I'm new around here!")
But if the flying day ended (real good bet that Ward was the last glider in the air) in a fatality a fair bit shy of the LZ make sure that nobody release any information whatsoever about experiences of other gliders, conditions at any point.Reports of how a flying day turned out
But they gotta be from pilots who ran into trouble. So they can't have been in so much trouble that they ended up dead or vegged. And obviously no one else is allowed to comment. 'Specially those who weren't even on site.Accidents/incident reports from pilots who ran into trouble...
And it's gotta be...
...AT the site - within a 1.5 mile radius of the midpoint between launch and the day's designated primary LZ. Beyond that it's totally obviously area-site irrelevant....at one of our area sites
And it's gotta be at one of OUR area sites. If Ward had bought it at Currituck or Lookout... Who gives a flying fuck? Absolutely nothing to do with our u$hPa chapter. Guess we now know why the 2015/03/27 Arys Moorhead was of zero interest to anyone in the Capital club. Not even a mention of Mitch Shipley permanently demolishing himself at Tater Hill circa 2019/10/01.
And let's not forget:
http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1149
Team Challenge: Daily Update Thread
http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1166Holly Korzilius - 2005/10/01 18:19:55 UTC
Incident at 2005 Team Challenge
I don't have many details at this point, but I just got a call from Scott Wilkinson. Bill Priday launched from Whitwell without hooking in. Scott indicated there was about a hundred foot drop off from launch. Bill's status is unknown at this time. Please pray for him!
I will provide updates as I get them from Scott.
Thoughts on responsibility...
Guess we don't want any more posts like that one - out of the deepest concerns for minimizing trauma to family members.Bill Priday - from his sister
Deanna Priday - 2005/10/13 20:31:31 UTC
Area pilot. Trained and qualified at an area school/operation. (Same as Holly. And we all know how well that worked out for her - as well.) But to way in hell an area site. So how come those discussions haven't been deleted?
My last post prior to my three month suspension... 2008/12/11 00:56:16 UTC. Thanks guys. An honor head and shoulders beyond all the ratings I ever got from u$hPa.
It's highly unlikely that Ward's drag chute accidentally deployed prior to final. And when we do see deployments they're all way the fuck high. And even if he had had an accidental deployment we've never seen Ward going onto a final - with or without chute - other than way high and way wide. I'm pretty much totally baffled by this one. Gotta congratulate you guys on your suppression of anything/everything of any possible substantive value in understanding this one.
I'm sure Ward is up there looking down on this one glowing with pride and affection.03/03/22 – Ward Odenwald
Ward Odenwald (71), an USHPA intermediate (H3) pilot, USHPA member since 1980, suffered fatal injuries hitting a tree during a landing approach.
http://forums.chgpa.com/viewtopic.php?t=7286
Learning from a HG accident
http://forums.chgpa.com/viewtopic.php?t=7296Ward Odenwald - 2017/06/13 01:54:39 UTC
Walt et al., have raised important issues concerning last Saturday's Pulpit crash that we need to act on! Forum exchanges are good and, in addition, I believe that personal/group discussion(s) will also enhance our chances of making a lasting safety difference. To this end, I suggest that we meet at my place (Woodbine, MD) to help define the best-safest way forward. We can get together on June 23rd (Friday evening) if we have a consensus among interested pilots (HG and PG). I'll follow up with more details once we agree to meet.
Please post if you can participate.
Pulpit HG Accident June 10, 2017
Name me one record of one individual family member, close non family relation ever expressing an objection of any degree of any detail of a legitimate report or responsible comment on any aspect of the incident. I'm having a hard time even imagining a scenario in which that would occur.Ward Odenwald - 2017/06/28 02:37:14 UTC
Tev, thanks for sharing the details! Remarkable write up considering all the sh**t that you are currently suffering! Your description is loaded with details that will help us - especially your mindset leading up to flying, the LZ conditions/approach decisions and your foresight for medical insurance. Collectively, we (our flying community) have made all the mistakes that triggered to your crash but have been lucky enough to escape major injury. It's my hope that we use your recommendations to improve the safety of our flying.
Thanks,
Ward
Michelle Schneider, mother of Arys Moorhead, didn't know anything about hang gliding before 2015/03/27 and wanted to know way less than that to this day. And I can totally understand, accept, respect that. (And for what it's worth, Michelle... We did everything u$hPa asked its membership not to and made things moderately painful and expensive for the organization / surviving perpetrators.)
And if we look at the (surviving) family members of the victims of Boeing's two 737 MAX disasters... They all seem to wanna know every detail of what went wrong, have responsible individuals held accountable, sue the crap outta the corporation.
But good job on the cover-up. I've studied the crap outta this one and have found it near impossible to come up with a likely scenario. I was leaning towards the drag chute for a good while but when we see him using it he deploys it stupidly high with a brain-dead easy glide path to the field. Also when he doesn't deploy it.
Gliders have already landed. Either they’ve had all the airtime they've cared for or the lift has weakened to unsustainable. Either way there's no problem making the field.
And it's not likely that he'd come in low from elsewhere on the ridge to make getting back on the road to home convenient 'cause we've seen him land on bends near to the regular and bridge LZs.
Very strange 'cause he died as an obscenely over-accomplished/experienced USHGA Three. And a Three back when he got his required three consecutive foot landings within a fifty foot radius of a traffic cone or old Frisbee in the middle of the LZ. And we can at least see how much good that one did him when it really mattered.
I pretty much quit spots on 1982/07/05 when one effort in turbulent air over the pond at the base of the North Bowl turned me around, folded both of my Comet 165 downtube in half, submerged me under the wing.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=21088
What you wish you'd known then?
And we have no accounts or evidence of Ward ever practicing for or effecting an RLF approach - although he may well have died with the sign-off on his card.Doug Doerfler - 2011/03/02 05:24:44 UTC
Nothing creates carnage like declaring a spot landing contest.
