The Bob Show

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Bille Floyd - 2014/12/07 20:37:29 UTC

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/07 04:26:09 UTC

I apologize if the USHPA does not Certify HG/PG schools. However, there is no effective difference if USHPA Certified Instructors (employed by Air California Adventure Inc.) are found to be seriously lacking in their instructing skills.

Then Do something about it ; & Stop Bitching !
I go down to CSS, and watch Rob McKenzie work ; can't find much Fault, with his strategy's ?

I'm no longer a member of the USHPA.

You sure got a LOT to say ; about an origination that Ya don't even support !! ------------------- LOL

Bille

That whole post is fuckin' deranged.

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/08 00:54:54 UTC

Bille Floyd - 2014/12/07 20:37:29 UTC

Then Do something about it ; & Stop Bitching !

Do something about WHAT exactly? Presenting facts about the other side of things with uninformed/misinformed...

.../deranged...

...individuals such as yourself is quite a task.

Monumental.

I get this feeling that the "Bob K is at fault" crowd have brain activity levels only approaching those of your average...

Advanced.

...alzheimer's sufferer.

Along those lines, . . . I don't think you know the difference between "bitching" and "acting to inform" members of this community. I think you ought to look up the definition of "bitching" and compare it to "journalism". Don't be scared of the big words they use in the "journalism" definition. Ask a friend what they mean, if you have to.

Allen?

And it is also clear that you haven't gotten the idea yet that Gabriel Jebb, with his slack and sloppy teaching methods (but who you want to share a beer with?) is a SERIOUS threat to the USHPA and its ability to maintain insurance coverage for EVERY member of the USHPA. Some people have a beer, go to sleep, wake up, have a beer, go to sleep, . . . repeat . . . until their sport is dead.

The one I envisioned was dead before I got there - the better part of 35 years ago.

I go down to CSS, and watch Rob McKenzie work ; can't find much Fault, with his strategy's ?

I don't have any idea what this is supposed to mean?

Join the fuckin' club.

Are you saying that Rob M teaches PGing much better than Air California Adventure Inc.'s slack-off instructors? I certainly hope they do! There are probably LOTS of PG Instructors that are better than those at Air California Adventure Inc. - at least, in connection with incidents that I've been informed about.

You sure got a LOT to say ; about an origination [you mean, organization?] that Ya don't even support !! ------------------- LOL Bille

Billie, Were I an adult back around the late 1930's and into the mid 1940s I would not have belonged to (in other words, supported) the NAZI Party - But I SURE would have had A LOT of (negative) things to say about it! So, again I don't get your point.

Good. There's hope for you.

Heck, I think you're saying that when you want to complain about the Neo Nazis in this country - you go out and join your local group. If you want to complain about the KKK - you go out and join their local chapter. Good luck with that strategy.

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/08 01:06:53 UTC

Relayed Message From Bob K

I was asked by Bob K to pass this message along to the readers here:
(it only seems fair that he gets a chance to reply)

Oh. We're gonna try to introduce the concept of FAIRNESS on The Davis Show? Good freakin' luck.

Bob Kuczewski

I've been reading snippets of the Oz Report via (kitestrings.org), so I don't know all that's been said. But I have seen a few quotes where people are blaming me for the new helmet rule, and I'd like to set the record straight.

My philosophy tends toward personal freedom and the accompanying personal responsibility. Let me quote Tad on this:

Tad Eareckson - 2014/12/06 19:36:05 UTC

We all have ratings which presume we know what we're doing well enough to not launch off the ramp when it's coming in at thirty and gusting to fifty or tailing at ten. I also want the presumption that I'm qualified enough to be able to evaluate a situation to determine when a helmet is advisable and when it will be of zero to negative benefit.

I agree with Tad on this when we're talking about experienced pilots. But student's don't have the experience to make that evaluation. That's why they're still students. They also don't have the critically honed ground handling skills needed to keep themselves from getting turtled, lifted, dropped, or dragged.

So until students acquire the appropriate judgment and the appropriate skills, they should be required to wear helmets whenever hooked into a glider as the new regulation states. Similarly, when instructing those same students, the instructor should be demonstrating the exact behavior that the students are expected to exhibit.

With those thoughts in mind, here's the regulation I would have drafted and passed:

"All H0/P0, H1/P1, H2/P2 pilots must wear protective headgear whenever connected to a glider. All instructional demonstrations for pilots of those ratings must also comply with that rule to set an appropriate example. It is also recommended (but not required) that all pilots of all ratings wear protective headgear whenever connected to a glider."

I am running for Regional Director in Region 3. If you think this is a good solution, I welcome your vote. If you'd like to read about some of my other positions, please visit http://www.ushawks.org/USHPA2014 .

Thanks.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/08 01:06:53 UTC

I've been reading snippets of the Oz Report via (kitestrings.org)...

You're welcome. P.S. Note that none of your Bob Show buddies are providing anything like that kind of record.

...so I don't know all that's been said.

Yeah, ya pretty much do. Or don't you put much credence in...

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Orion Price - 2013/03/10 05:57:24 UTC

(Today I learned) There is a guy who reads our forum every and does detailed analysis on all our comments. This guy has Rafferty amounts of extra time to just be an idiot and not fly/work/live.

In place of adding to our discourse he bought a website in which he makes comments about our comments. That's just weird. Apparently we are all we are all suicidal idiots and destroying the sport. Also he apparently really doesn't like NME_RIDER/LA Glide. JD to him is apparently Satan with a glider and a youtube account.

Look at this shit. He literaly goes through every comment and makes his own comment on his own webside: http://www.kitestrings.org/topic10-310.html

I know that haters' gonna hate. But what is with weird antisocial behavior? Who has the time to not go flying, but to sit around and organize and edit weird videos (rafferty)? Who has the time to register websites and make their own PHPBB dedicated to every comment on the SHGA? Weirdos, Y U NO JUST FLY?

...what your scummy li'l semiliterate OP pigfucker buddy has to say?

These are more than just "snippets", Bob. When there are important issues hitting the fans it's a pretty safe bet that you're going to find everything important that's being said quoted and dealt with here.

But I have seen a few quotes where people are blaming me for the new helmet rule, and I'd like to set the record straight.

Me too. And I also like to KEEP it straight.

My philosophy tends toward personal freedom and the accompanying personal responsibility.

'Cept for certain categories: anyone and everyone south of a Three - H or P, people of varying ages, anyone who challenges Bob on anything, people who support T** at K*** S******, stronglinkers, fags, infidels...

Let me quote Tad on this:

Tad Eareckson - 2014/12/06 19:36:05 UTC

Weall have ratings which presume we know what we're doing well enough to not launch off the ramp when it's coming in at thirty and gusting to fifty or tailing at ten. I also want the presumption that I'm qualified enough to be able to evaluate a situation to determine when a helmet is advisable and when it will be of zero to negative benefit.

I agree with Tad on this when we're talking about experienced pilots. But student's don't have the experience to make that evaluation.

Yeah, they're all fuckin' idiots with no common sense whatsoever who, if it weren't for responsible pin benders like Bob determining what they could and couldn't do, would've long ago wound up as total vegetables in long term maintenance facilities.

That's why they're still students.

Who defines them as "STUDENTS"?

The United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association, Inc. - 2014/03/14
Standard Operating Procedure
02. Pilot Proficiency System
01. Introduction

USHPA pilot ratings are issued to reflect completion of WITNESSED tasks.

When somebody scores a fuckin' Hang ONE he is a fuckin' RATED *PILOT*. And under the USHGA SOPs he's entitled to run off a three thousand foot peak, fly for five hours, and land a hundred miles away if he wants and can. And if he's coming from a sailplane background that's far from an impossible scenario. But now USHGA and Bob have determined that if he takes his helmet off while he's waiting for the wind to straighten up he can have his rating permanently revoked.

They also don't have the critically honed ground handling skills needed to keep themselves from getting turtled, lifted, dropped, or dragged.

Go fuck yourself, Bob. A Hang Zero can be a goddam Navy Seal and/or F-18 carrier pilot - astoundingly - quite capable of controlling an oversized kid's kite well enough to keep himself - minus "protective headgear" - from ever getting a tiny fraction as brain damaged as you are.

So until students acquire the appropriate judgment and the appropriate skills, they should be required to wear helmets whenever hooked into a glider as the new regulation states.

And there's NO FUCKING WAY they're capable of doing that until AFTER they're rated THREE - despite the fact that under the existing SOPs they're determined to be able to do that WHILE they're rated ZERO.

Similarly, when instructing those same students, the instructor should be demonstrating the exact behavior that the students are expected to exhibit.

Why? Here's Gabe:



hooked in and kiting a glider in the course of teaching a paragliding class WITHOUT a helmet while all his students are not kiting gliders but WEARING helmets. But let's shove down everyone's throat a really odious regulation to fix a problem that's nonexistent on multiple levels.

With those thoughts...

Total bullshit fabrications.

...in mind, here's the regulation I would have drafted and passed:

OH! YOU would've DRAFTED *AND* PASSED it - without any pretenses of:
- presenting evidence that an actual problem exists
- obtaining input from:
-- the classes who are having their freedoms curtailed
-- one single:
--- former Zero, One, Two who wishes he'd had the mandatory protection of Bob's Law at the time
--- hang or para gliding instructor

(Hey Tom, what's your stand on this? Aren't you scared shitless that students wearing helmets on the ground will be given a false sense of security?)

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=929
Training Manual Comments / Contribution

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/01/07 17:59:55 UTC

The only Training Manual that Tad can build is the one where he has 100% control.

Goddam fuckin' total hypocrite.

"All H0/P0, H1/P1, H2/P2 pilots must wear protective headgear whenever connected to a glider. All instructional demonstrations for pilots of those ratings must also comply with that rule to set an appropriate example. It is also recommended (but not required) that all pilots of all ratings wear protective headgear whenever connected to a glider."

I am running for Regional Director in Region 3. If you think this is a good solution, I welcome your vote.

Who gives a flying fuck? USHGA's a gigantic monolith on a steady slide to hell. Nobody's gonna stop it or impede its rate of acceleration.

If you'd like to read about some of my other positions, please visit:

http://www.ushawks.org/USHPA2014
USHPA 2014 Region 3 Election

Thanks.

OK.

3. Fair Processes for All Pilots - Disciplinary actions taken by USHPA against pilots must be fair. There have been too many cases where certain pilots and/or instructors have been singled out for disciplinary actions while others have been given a "pass" for similar or worse offenses. All disciplinary actions by USHPA against its Members must be administered fairly and openly to reduce these kinds of abuses.

Let's talk about the way you shoved me in your Basement "for about a month", under the total bullshit pretense of running an experiment to see what the effect would be on douchebag participation, where I lost the abilities to:
- post:
-- anywhere outside of your Basement
-- and receive personal messages
- run searches
- view photos and attachments

...and then banned me outright without consultation with anybody 'cause you felt my ability to post personal messages, which I didn't even have at the time, might make The Bob Show an unsafe place for people of varying ages to visit - without just using the option you had of disabling my PM button, which I'd never once used and didn't give a rat's ass about anyway.

This new bullshit helmet regulation you triggered and support WILL be violated left and right as we WILL see on the videos we WILL have coming out our asses. Let's see the fair processes you'll use in your enforcement and disciplinary actions.

This is gonna be a total candy store for me.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40280
Request To Site Owner

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/09 00:57:02 UTC

I have been asked to pass this on -

Hello Members of the Oz Forum,

I've been banned from this site, so I can't directly read anything that's been said here. What I get comes to me second hand through sites like kitestrings.org (thanks Tad).

But from what I've read, this is a simple matter. There are people (like Steve Forslund, NMERider, Bille Fly, and Mark Forbes) on one side of this issue and people (like, Ridgerunner, Jacmac, Big Bird, Rich Diamond, John, Bill C., Ridgerodent, Andrew Vanis, and S C Wise) on the other.

The Steve Forslund, NMERider, Bille Fly, and Mark Forbes side argues that it's OK for a flight park operator to commit assault and battery because someone dares to document their poor training practices. For those who support that side, there's an association for you - it's called USHPA.

The Ridgerunner, Jacmac, Big Bird, Rich Diamond, John, Bill C., Ridgerodent, Andrew Vanis, and S C Wise side argues that documenting poor practices is what's needed to improve them and make our sports better and safer. For those who support that side, there's an association for you as well - it's called the US Hawks. Come join us in building a better national organization. Come join us in the rebirth of hang gliding. Membership is free, and ratings will depend on flight proficiency and not on when you submitted your last payment.

Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski
Founder, US Hawks Hang Gliding Association

Hello Members...

Dedicated sycophants.

...of the Oz Forum,

The Davis Show.

I've been banned from this site...

Davis banned you from his dump with the same sorta justification you concocted to ban me from your dump.

...so I can't directly read anything that's been said here. What I get comes to me second hand through sites like kitestrings.org...

Name some of the other sites. It's a lot of work to do this - properly organizing and documenting everything, making it as readable as possible, punching holes through the crap for the benefit of the people who don't know what's going on - and there aren't a lot of people who are gonna do that.

...(thanks Tad).

Don't mention it. Wanna ACTUALLY thank me? Do me the courtesy of answering my questions, responding to what I'm saying - HONESTLY, motherfucker.

But from what I've read, this is a simple matter. There are people (like Steve Forslund, NMERider, Bille Fly, and Mark Forbes) on one side of this issue and people (like, Ridgerunner...

Jeffrey M. Roberson, Salt Lake City.

...Jacmac, Big Bird, Rich Diamond...

Fuck Rich Diamond. Real ASSet to the sport of hang gliding and free speech principles.

...John, Bill C., Ridgerodent...

AKA Bob Show Nobody whom you have locked in your rotten little Basement being treated like shit under special rules you make up as you go along.

...Andrew Vanis, and S C Wise) on the other.

The Steve Forslund, NMERider, Bille Fly, and Mark Forbes side argues that it's OK for a flight park operator to commit assault and battery because someone dares to document their poor training practices. For those who support that side, there's an association for you - it's called USHPA.

The Ridgerunner, Jacmac, Big Bird, Rich Diamond, John, Bill C., Ridgerodent, Andrew Vanis, and S C Wise side argues that documenting poor practices is what's needed to improve them and make our sports better and safer.

I wouldn't make that assumption. I, for one, have zero indication that anything more than hypocrisy was being documented. I don't give a flying fuck what was being documented, who was documenting it, and what his motivation was. The documentation of the stuff that mattered had ZILCH to do with anything involving paragliding.

For those who support that side, there's an association for you as well - it's called the US Hawks. Come join us in building a better national organization. Come join us in the rebirth of hang gliding. Membership is free, and ratings will depend on flight proficiency and not on when you submitted your last payment.

And if you kill another member by making a good decision in the interest of his safety...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7462005802_bbc0ac66ac_o.jpg


...NO PROBLEM! What happens in Bob Show flight ops stays in Bob Show flight ops.

Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski
Founder, US Hawks Hang Gliding Association

Founder, High Priest, Manipulator, Dictator For Life.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/09 01:56:18 UTC

Mr. Forbes,

Both you and Rich Hass have complained (incorrectly) that Bob K took money for serving as an expert witness in an ongoing lawsuit involving Air California Adventure Inc. It turns out that Bob never took any money. Instead, he asked that any such fee go instead to a non-profit organization working on cures for diseases such as cancer.

But first and foremost homosexuality. If you analyze his posts you'll see exactly where his priorities REALLY lie.

But since you brought up the topic, can you tell us how much has been paid to the other expert witnesses in the case in which Bob K is involved? Expert witnesses (involved in the SAME CASE!), such as Marty Devietti and Dennis Pagen?

The ball's now in your "Court" Mark.

PS - I wonder what would have happened if employees of Air California Adventure Inc. had assaulted Dennis Pagen instead?

They'd have gotten a hefty contribution to their defense fund from Yours Truly.

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/09 02:17:39 UTC

Davis, there's a lot of discussion about Bob's incident here, at hanggliding.org...

There hasn't been a word of discussion on The Jack Show for two and a half weeks. Average attention span over there is about fifteen seconds.

...and the US Hawks. In fact, the US Hawks topic is already up to 10 pages including posts from the following people:

eagle - Jacmac - majiemae - JoeF - BigBird - brianscharp - flyingbrian - SamKellner - RickMasters - wingspan33 - billcummings - miguell - dhmartens - tommy42 - Free - bobk

It's great to be able to have discussions in multiple places, but it's clearly unfair to Bob that he's not able to even read what's being said about his incident here in the Oz forum.
To me, it's like talking about someone behind their back.

In fairness to Bob, I think Bob's account should be reactivated so he can at least read what's being posted here with the understanding that he is not allowed to make any posts anywhere on your forum. It's easy enough to see if he did post. In speaking with Bob, and he would completely agree to such limiting conditions.

How very odd. I made exactly the same proposal to Bob and restored his status minus personal messaging a bit over two weeks ago and he told me to go fuck myself.

Moderator's note - 2014/12/10 19:45:00 UTC: Bob did not tell Tad to "go fuck" himself. Bob actually wrote:

"I've read your post, but I'm not sure what you're asking about.
...
Can you write back with exactly what you want to accomplish and include a specific proposal?"

Tad has interpreted that as Bob saying he should "go fuck" himself.

I would expect that Bob has the wherewithal to create a shadow account that you'd probably never know about. But Bob has informed me that he truly feels that type of thing would be dishonest so he's never considered doing so.

And EVERYTHING Bob does is so honest and morally pure that we certainly wouldn't wan't him to descend to that sorta depth of depravity.

And perish the thought that we should have law enforcement people infiltrating ivory poaching and smuggling operations misrepresenting their true identities. When we lower ourselves to levels like that who are we to say what's really right and wrong?

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show

Warren Narron - 2011/12/13 02:41:40 UTC

Tad, you are a train wreck and I've been to a few.
Your Davis Straub banning was more like being shot in the back by a dirty cop while Bob's action isn't even a banning.
So apples and oranges.

Pretty much, not the same.

Bob's actions - which included banning - I'd rate as worse than Davis's because of the principles he claims to stand on and the bullshit pretenses he pulled out of his ass. Hang gliding, paragliding, Jack, Davis, Bob, the city of San Diego... It's all dirty cops and you do what you need to or everything goes to hell faster.

And I notice that Bob was/is not asking a lot of questions about the purity of the methods used on Kite Strings to get the information he's been using to stay on top of developments. Guess even moral purity has its limits.

Please let me (and us) know if you would consider reactivating Bob's account so he could at least read what's being said about him behind otherwise closed doors.

Thanks,
S C Wise

Why was it necessary for Davis to close his doors in the first place? What's being discussed there that he feels he needs to keep hidden from the general public - along with flyers and pilots not on his approved dedicated sycophants list?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Bart Weghorst - 2014/12/09 03:45:21 UTC

What a piss poor attempt to divide and conquer.

Since that's in response to the relayed post from Bob I have here:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post7129.html#p7129
we can safely put you down on the gliderport, San Diego cops and city, USHGA thugs side of the equation. Makes me proud to have the relationship with you that I always have had - douchebag.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40280
Request To Site Owner

Davis Straub - 2014/12/09 04:21:15 UTC

There is no way in hell that he is ever going to be able write...

He wasn't asking you to ever write anything and you know he wasn't and wouldn't have. And how much would it have mattered if he had written something you could've immediately deleted?

...or view...

Yeah, make sure he can't ever view anything.

...what is on this...

YOUR.

...forum (unless folks copy and paste it onto other forums which they are quite free to do).

Oh, thank you so very much, Your Holiness.

Bob would not be civil...

And civility has ALWAYS...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Jim Rooney - 2013/02/11 19:22:18 UTC

Of course not... it's Asshole-see.

Sorry, I'm sick and tired of all these soap box bullshit assheads that feel the need to spout their shit at funerals. I just buried my friend and you're seizing the moment to preach your bullshit? GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!

I can barely stand these pompus asswipes on a normal day.

...been sacrosanct to You and your Dedicated Sycophants.

...the last time after repeated infractions...

Repeated INFRACTIONS? Can you quote one or two?

...and private disagreements with me and I do not trust him at all.

I TOTALLY trust BOTH of you motherfuckers to do what you're gonna do. I know EXACTLY how you operate and can predict damn near everything you're gonna say and do.

Also, I do not wish this thread to continue, so please take it over to some other forum.

Thanks again, Davis. Your dump just became even more boring and irrelevant and Kite Strings just gained a bit more in power and credibility.

Hey Bob...

Live by fake concern for civility, die by fake concern for civility.

[<BS>]

PS - I wonder what would have happened if employees of Air California Adventure Inc. had assaulted Dennis Pagen instead?

We'd see a new book, "Understanding the Skypark: A Sport Pilot's Guide to Navigate Assault and False Arrest".

[Tad Eareckson]

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/05/10 23:42 UTC

To: Zack C

Ban

Hello,

I attempted to sign in on KiteStrings.org and got this message:

Information

You have been permanently banned from this board.
Please contact the Board Administrator for more information.
A ban has been issued on your username.

So I am writing to this address (for Board Administrator) to inquire about the policy behind this ban.

Thanks for any information,
Bob Kuczewski

Gawd. You had to ASK.

Zack C - 2012/05/10 02:29:11 UTC

Re: Ban

Bob,
The decision to ban you was made and carried out by Tad alone. His reasoning is documented here:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post2096.html#p2096
Zack

It's REASONING, Zack. Bob *DOESN'T DO* REASONING.

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/05/12 15:18:14 UTC

Hi Zack,

I had asked about the policy behind the ban.
Are you effectively saying that the policy is "whatever Tad wants"?
There's nothing wrong with that policy, but I just wanted to be sure that I understood it ... since I didn't see it posted anywhere.

Thanks,
Bob Kuczewski

Here's the policy:

Zack C - 2010/11/23 05:23:34 UTC

This is a forum ruled by science, truth, facts, reason, and logic. Anyone with a respect for these principles and a willingness to learn and engage in rational discussion is welcome to participate.

The forum is still in its infancy, so we don't have much in the way of structure or posting rules. Until we're large enough to have a need for more, all topics will be under a single forum. As for rules, just keep it civil, stay on topic, keep topics in line with the forum purpose, and don't lie or misrepresent others' statements.

First fuckin' post in the history of the forum. Name something from those guidelines that you didn't mangle several hundred times over.

And here's a clarification regarding the policy for those too fuckin' dense to get the gist of what Zack said:

Tad Eareckson - 2012/05/06 06:38:12 UTC

01. No. I DON'T. It's an absolute waste of time to try to have rational discussions with lying, scheming, hypocritical, religious wack jobs.
02. I want you to mind your own goddam business and stay the hell out of other people's personal lives - especially mine.
03. You and I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING further to discuss on this issue, publicly or privately, EVER.
04. DO NOT *EVER* BRING IT UP HERE AGAIN.

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/09 15:05:27 UTC

To:
Zack C
Tad Eareckson

Request for correction of libelous statement.

Tad and Zack,

I am writing to request a correction to a libelous statement published on your forum by Tad Eareckson at this URL:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-370.html#p7130

Tad writes:

How very odd. I made exactly the same proposal to Bob and restored his status minus personal messaging a bit over two weeks ago and he told me to go fuck myself.

I did not tell Tad to "go fuck" himself, and I would like the correction to reflect what was actually said or removed.

For the record, I first read Tad's statement earlier this morning and I immediately placed a call to Tad at ***-***-**** leaving a message requesting that this be fixed as well. That call was placed at 7:17am Pacific time.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

Bob Kuczewski

Tad and Zack,

Please don't bother Zack with trivial shit like this. He hasn't posted here since over two Halloweens ago.

I did not tell Tad to "go fuck" himself, and I would like the correction to reflect what was actually said or removed.

1. Here's what YOU actually said:

http://www.kitestrings.org/post7060.html#p7060

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/22 18:19:41 UCT

I've read your post, but I'm not sure what you're asking about.
...
Can you write back with exactly what you want to accomplish and include a specific proposal?

in response to:

http://www.kitestrings.org/post7056.html#p7056

That's telling me to go fuck myself, as I'm quite sure anybody with basic grade school level reading comprehension skills will readily agree - 'specially given the context of you not bothering to respond to my detailed response with so much as a single word. And for non Tad specific future reference, Bob... When you display utter contempt for somebody from abruptly walking out of a conversation when somebody's talking to you, totally ignoring his points, you're effectively telling that person to go fuck himself.

Tad Eareckson - 2014/12/09 03:49:09 UTC

I made exactly the same proposal to Bob and restored his status minus personal messaging a bit over two weeks ago and he told me to go fuck myself.

Notice that there's nothing being QUOTED there, Bob? When I QUOTE somebody I do it like:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=822
US Hawks Hook-In Verification Poll

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/11/04 04:41:45 UTC

This issue has been discussed at great length in many other topics, so I'd like to start collecting everyone's thoughts in one place. I'd also like to start building a solid consensus on what the US Hawks hook-in verification policy should be. I suspect this will require a series of proposals, discussions, and votes. So I'd like to start with one proposal that's been brought to us by Tad. Here's the proposition:

The US Hawks should:

A - Require ALL pilots to launch with a tight hang strap in ALL conditions.

When I PARAPHRASE somebody I do it like:

Tad Eareckson - 2014/12/09 03:49:09 UTC

I made exactly the same proposal to Bob and restored his status minus personal messaging a bit over two weeks ago and he told me to go fuck myself.

Note that HERE:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=818
Peter (Link Knife) Birren

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/11/19 00:11:35 UTC

Blah blah blah blah blah

you're presenting "Blah blah blah blah blah" as something I said and I'm not sure you can begin to imagine how much resentment that generates. Or, hell...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32059
Torrey Incident, should USHPA get involved?

NMERider - 2014/11/12 20:36:07 UTC

This is the reason Bob has been banned from most forums. He provokes and baits others just like certain others who are also banned from here and are merely PNG many other places.

You probably really CAN.

2. I don't EVER remove anything from Kite Strings. I make typo, spelling, grammatical corrections, sometimes expand or amend with illustrations to help with clarity... But I don't EVER alter anyone's meaning or quote anything out of context.

...and I immediately placed a call to Tad...

Please don't call me. I'd actually like to talk to you but I can't afford to 'cause, as I've previously explained, it's a real good bet that you'll misrepresent what I've said as you have before with respect to both phone and print and I need the printed record to be able to protect myself.

...leaving a message...

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/09 15:18 UTC

Hello Tad, this is Bob Kuczewski calling. You put a post up that said I told you to go "F" yourself and I NEVER said that and I want it fixed. OK? Thank you, bye.

1. Please don't leave messages when you please don't call me. Then I've gotta transcribe them - which is a bit of a pain.

2. Keeriste. Can't even utter the word "fuck" on the phone when you're quoting someone. Whatsamattah? 'Fraid you're gonna cop an extra five years in Hell for each infraction? Or that one of my people of varying ages might hear the message and thereby become an even more hopeless suicidal AIDS infected heroin addict?

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/09 17:12:24 UTC

To: Zack C
Cc: Tad Eareckson

Request for correction of libelous statement.

Tad and Zack,

According to your forum, the libelous post by Tad shows this date/time:

- Posted by Tad Eareckson » 2014/12/09 04:49:09 UTC

I am asking for a prompt correction so the libelous post is not picked up and stored in search engine buffers which would perpetuate the libel and increase the time and expense of clearing it up.

Bob Kuczewski

- Posted by Tad Eareckson » 2014/12/09 04:49:09 UTC

Nice, mathematically logical, unambiguous, crystal clear default date and time stamp format, huh Bob? Ever think about doing that for your lunatic colony?

I am asking for a prompt correction...

Couple power failures yesterday. Reasonable midday one and a bit of a nightmare that started late afternoon and went to about 22:30.

...so the libelous post is not picked up and stored in search engine buffers which would perpetuate the libel and increase the time and expense of clearing it up.

Un fuckin' believable.

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Bob Kuczewski - 2013/03/10 18:20:34 UTC

I first learned about Tad Eareckson when I was Regional Director and the USHPA Board circulated a letter he had written (with intention to send?) to the FAA about some dangerous practices in hang gliding.

The Board's knee-jerk response was to try to take some kind of legal action to silence Tad. I indicated that I thought we shouldn't be sending our lawyers in as our first response, and that maybe we should have someone talk with him first. So Dennis Pagen volunteered, and I believe the matter was settled without any serious damage to the sport.

And you're the guy who limited the damage I was doing to the sport and heroically preserved its right to continue its treasured dangerous practices unimpeded by existing USHGA and FAA regulations.

I know there've been some serious drought issues in your neck of the woods. Any idea what it is they're mixing into the water to make up for the shortfall and how the rats they tested it on are doing?

DO try to bear in mind that as you've been attacked UNfairly Yours Truly has been quite likely your most prominent, visible, prolific, effective, uncompromising defender.

[Tad Eareckson]

P.S.

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/05/12 15:18:14 UTC

Hi Zack,

I had asked about the policy behind the ban.
Are you effectively saying that the policy is "whatever Tad wants"?

Apparently Zack didn't respond to that one so lemme expand a bit.

Yes and No.

- What Tad wants is people to stay reasonably in line with the with the mission statement and rather loose rules Zack defined in the first post on the forum.

- Nobody who resembles those remarks has ever been denied membership or had it revoked. And you're not the only one I've cut some degree of slack here.

- And lemme reiterate that:

-- you:

--- violated the rules virtually nonstop and to an absolutely outrageous degree - here, on your forum, and in personal communications - before I clicked the ban button

--- lasted as long as you did ONLY because the deeply personal attacks were made against Yours Truly and not another member

-- even after all that and subsequent off Kite Strings atrocities, have been unbanned - although I've asked you not to post

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/09 15:05:27 UTC

I did not tell Tad to "go fuck" himself, and I would like the correction to reflect what was actually said or removed.

Note that you're using quotation marks to reference what I actually said whereas I didn't use quotation marks in paraphrasing what you said.

don't EVER remove anything from Kite Strings.

'Cept, of course, for obvious spam. No problem with that since instituting a requirement for approval of new members.

Members are free to edit or delete their own posts but that appears not to have been a significant issue and I archive everything that's posted as soon as I see it.

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/09 15:18 UTC

You put a post up that said I told you to go "F" yourself and I NEVER said that and I want it fixed.

If I had said:

made exactly the same proposal to Bob and restored his status minus personal messaging a bit over two weeks ago and he told me to take a flying leap.

- which has EXACTLY the same meaning - just how bent out of shape would you have gotten?

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Bob Kuczewski - 2013/03/10 18:20:34 UTC

I first learned about Tad Eareckson when I was Regional Director and the USHPA Board circulated a letter he had written (with intention to send?) to the FAA about some dangerous practices in hang gliding.

The Board's knee-jerk response was to try to take some kind of legal action to silence Tad. I indicated that I thought we shouldn't be sending our lawyers in as our first response, and that maybe we should have someone talk with him first. So Dennis Pagen volunteered, and I believe the matter was settled without any serious damage to the sport.

Guess now that we've finally got the Bob Kuczewski Mandatory Ground Handling Helmet Regulation in place for all eternity and stalls declared to be totally benign, things are as close to perfect as they're ever gonna get.

[Tad Eareckson]

P.P.S.

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/09 17:12:24 UTC

To: Zack C
Cc: Tad Eareckson

Request for correction of libelous statement.

Tad and Zack,

According to your forum, the libelous post by Tad shows this date/time:

- Posted by Tad Eareckson » 2014/12/09 04:49:09 UTC

I am asking for a prompt correction so the libelous post is not picked up and stored in search engine buffers which would perpetuate the libel and increase the time and expense of clearing it up.

Gawd I wish Kite Strings had the kind of power and influence you seem to think it does. Maybe we'll get there some day. We'll probably hafta have a fair number of more pro toads and hook-in check skippers killed first - preferably at Quest and in Grebloville respectively.

[Tad Eareckson]

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/10 17:42:34 UTC

Re: Request for correction of libelous statement.

Tad and Zack,

This is my third request for you to correct the libelous statement published on your site at:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-370.html#p7130

and now repeated at other locations within your site. If this is not corrected or ends up being cross-posted to other sites beyond your control I may seek damages.

Tad wrote:

How very odd. I made exactly the same proposal to Bob and restored his status minus personal messaging a bit over two weeks ago and he told me to go fuck myself.

Again, I did not tell Tad to "go fuck" himself, and I would like the correction to reflect what was actually said or removed.

Here's one such acceptable correction:

Moderator's note: Bob did not tell Tad to "go fuck" himself. Bob actually wrote:

"I've read your post, but I'm not sure what you're asking about.
...
Can you write back with exactly what you want to accomplish and include a specific proposal?"

Tad has interpreted that as Bob saying he should "go fuck" himself.

I would like that statement displayed prominently at exactly each location where Tad has falsely represented what I've said.

Again, this is my third request.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

Bob Kuczewski

Cool, Bob. That's EXACTLY what I've done - time stamped at 2014/12/10 19:45:00 UTC. My primary purpose in creating and maintaining this thread is to provide evidence of what a hypocritical, two faced, backstabbing motherfucker you are and this move of yours is manna from heaven.

...and now repeated at other locations within your site.

You mean where we're discussing the original sentence of mine and it's identified in no uncertain terms as my interpretation and paraphrasing of your intent and meaning?

If this is not corrected or ends up being cross-posted to other sites beyond your control I may seek damages.

For what? Name some other sites where you're presented as having told T** at K*** S****** to go fuck himself wouldn't significantly boost your popularity / mitigate your unpopularity. Maybe I'm the one who should be seeking some kind of compensation from you.

Tad has...

...quite accurately...

...interpreted that as Bob saying he should "go fuck" himself.

I would like that statement displayed prominently at exactly each location where Tad has falsely represented what I've said.

All one of them.

Again, this is my third request.

Really? I didn't think somebody who considered Sam Kellner to be quite a genius and felt that stalls were no big fuckin' deals in aviation was capable of counting that high.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

And THANK YOU for this latest GIFT! Let's see just how well it helps you get whatever the hell it is that you're wishing for.

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/12

We haven't been on the best of terms but I do want to say thank you for what you posted. I do appreciate your integrity and rising above our disagreement.

Integrity isn't something that gets switched on and off at one's convenience. You either have it or you don't.