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[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Warren Narron - 2015/02/07 02:25:31 UTC

Tad: Uncensored

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/06 03:59:16 UTC

Warren, you may have missed the most important parts of my post:

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/04 18:53:20 UTC

Warren, as I've said to Tad, I think you have a lot to offer to this forum and to the sport of hang gliding. But you are letting your fears get the best of you and it is alienating good people who might otherwise agree with you. Please give that some thought because I'd really like to see you participating in a healthy way on this forum.

I didn't miss it, Bob. I don't believe you.

Hard to go wrong with that strategy.

Tad was (and still is) motivated by hate.

Really? And here I was thinking I was (and still am) an unrepentant child molester motivated by making The Bob Show a dangerous place for people of varying ages to visit.

Tad is out to get everyone he thinks has ever slighted him in his life. Read his forum and you'll see his hatred seeping onto almost every page.

I do read his forum and I believe Tad is motivated by the revenge of exposing bankrupt arguments versus his hang gliding ideas.

Not so much bankrupt arguments versus my hang gliding ideas. More like bald faced lies versus two plus two equals four.

IMO, Tad Eareckson's analysis and logic of things as they ought to be in hang gliding are right on the money.

Four.

In the interest of safer hang gliding, the collective would do well to listen to what he says.

It always does that so much better in the couple weeks following a fatality.

Those valid hang gliding concerns, cross posted from Tad, are direct responses to you.

You mean the ones he keeps totally ignoring?

The standing SOP's, that you have laid out, allow this.

Yeah, but if you read the fine print you'll find that they're all subject to the whims of the dictator.

All naughty words were moderated.
What really is the problem?

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/06 03:59:16 UTC

The great thing about having multiple hang gliding forums is that people can find the kinds of people they want to hang out with. We're making a sincere effort on this forum to build a national hang gliding association for people who love the sport and want to be treated fairly and decently. If you'd like to join us, you're surely welcome. I really mean that. But if you just want to throw stones, then I'm sure Tad would welcome you with open arms.

Bingo!
The NLP money shot!
Good job, Bob.
But I'm not taking your bait.

If you want to ban me for ~not~ violating any of your rules, then just go ahead and do it like a dictator.

Don't you mean "AS a dictator"?

If you want to change the rules in midstream...

All the fucking time. What he STATES as his rules have zero bearing on what he ACTUALLY DOES.

...then I guess a better place for discussion would be the pro-tem Executive Board.
I believe Chairman Cummings, is all saddled up and ready to ride..

Would that be the Chairman Cummings who's identified me as his friend but never engages me in any discussions?

Yippee-yo-ti-yaaa!

Thanks in advance.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/07 07:12:59 UTC

Tad: Uncensored

I didn't miss it, Bob. I don't believe you.

In that case, I guess I know something that you don't.

I searched Tad's forum for 3 words: "war" "destroy" and "demolish". Here's just part of what I found:

Tad on Kitestrings wrote:
http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-440.html#p7282
Tad Eareckson - 2015/01/13 23:30:15 UTC
You set yourself up for a fu**in' civil war and I'm gonna do everything I can to fuel it. And you can tell that I'm doing damage and can do more by reading the posts of some of your Dedicated Sycophants. ... you're gonna take some lumps - from which you, hopefully, will never recover.

That first post - all alone - pretty much sums it up. A "civil war" is a war fought among people within the same "country" or organization (the US Hawks in this case).

In this case I'm defining the "country" as the sport of hang gliding in the US.

So how could Tad "fuel" such a civil war when he is not a member?

Not a member why, Bob? 'Cause I resigned my membership to spend more time with my family? 'Cause I was expelled for having violated some clearly stated rule(s) of the forum?

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1701
Complaints about Tad

Rick Masters - 2015/01/16 18:59:15 UTC

He has concerns about people trying to muck up the forum, but he has also dealt effectively with Tad.

The answer is pretty clear. He sends his puppets to do his bidding.

Ooh! I have puppets. Cool! Who are they? Can you quote them, point us to some posts? Should be pretty easy 'cause pretty obviously they're doing a tremendous amount of damage.

And what is Tad trying to accomplish?

Trying to? Sounds like I'm at least accomplishing SOMETHING.

Is he trying to improve the US Hawks?

So what do you think, guys?

No.

Never mind, Bob has already answered for you.

He measures his success by how much "damage" he can do, and by how many "lumps" he can inflict - hopefully enough in his words that we "will never recover".

Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC

I don't know whether you were genuinely doing what you felt was the right thing to do or just looking for convenient justification to finally can Tad, but I believe your actions were inappropriate and set a terrible precedent for your organization.

You're not gonna get away with launching a hang gliding organization on a foundation of "No Tads". You're not gonna tell me I'm not good enough to participate alongside you and your pet douchebags.

That's not a "civil war". That's terrorism.

And I didn't hafta walk into your headquarters with a suicide belt. Didn't even hafta write a virus to turn your forum into digital rubble. All I hafta to do is write words somewhere else on a little hang gliding forum with a microscopic number of active participants.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions

What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.

Gotta love the irony.

The US Hawks...

Meaning Bob - the only individual who's had any actual control in the entire four and a half year history of the dump.

...has been open and welcoming since we were founded ...

Who's "we"?

...much like the United States itself.

Yeah, much like the United States itself. George Washington established the thirteen colonies, told everybody in them he was in total control and anybody who didn't like that could go to Canada, single handedly wiped out the British, then established a Fake Congress stacked with Dedicated Sycophants and declared a trial period to make sure they'd do the exact same things he would.

But in recent years, we've been seeing people coming to this country (United States) not to join in our civilization and help it grow - but to do as much damage to it as possible.

Haven't most of the mountaintop removal people been here since the beginning of time?

That's the same pattern of "forum terrorism" that we're seeing from some of Tad's puppets. Our "Terms of Service" will have to address this.

Fuck that! I say ship them all to Guantanamo right now! We can worry about evidence, charges, trials after we get properly prepared.

If that first post wasn't conclusive enough, here's a little more from my quick search ... all written by Tad:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-340.html#p7060
Tad Eareckson - 2014/11/23 05:39:02 UTC
Bob wrote: The one thing that I would request is a reduction in the "war" of rhetoric aimed at myself and others on the US Hawks.
Tad replied: Request denied. Presently gearing to REALLY ramp it up.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-230.html#p5542
Tad Eareckson - 2014/01/03 23:42:54 UTC
Bob wrote: So I am again asking that we follow the well known adage: If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. : )
Tad replied: You, Sam, Rick, Peter, Charlie, and - with his wildly popular but totally wacko understanding of weak links - Bill ARE *ACTUAL* *DEADLY* *THREATS* to people of ALL ages and, more importantly, to the sport of hang gliding. And y'all proved that in no uncertain terms a year and a half ago.
And, as long as that's the case - and that will ALWAYS be the case (more so as time progresses the way things have been going recently), there's no way in hell that I'm gonna do a live-and-let-live thing with you a**holes.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-50.html#p1171
Tad Eareckson - 2012/01/10 18:14:02 UTC
Bob wanted a war - Bob got a war. (Just not the one he expected to win hands down in half an hour or so - one that's gonna last the rest of his life that he's never gonna win.)

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic14-210.html#p917
Tad Eareckson - 2011/10/23 14:05:24 UTC
Bob...
Yeah, I'm afraid I had been reluctantly reaching that conclusion for some time. And as of last night, it seems, we're on the brink of war. Oh well, whatever the case, he can still be beaten up just for fun. And he's given us so much really good ammunition.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic6-1230.html#p6494
Tad Eareckson - 2014/08/19 18:02:33 UTC
Tad wrote about Davis:
We need to humiliate and destroy him - drive a stake through whatever he's using for a heart and decapitate him to make sure. And time is on our side. We can do it carefully and leisurely 'cause he can never effectively unpost what he's already posted.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic6-670.html#p3878
Tad Eareckson - 2013/02/27 21:22:28 UTC
Tad wrote about Jim Rooney:
We NEED to destroy this motherfu**er. We've gotta get control of this sport back into the hands of hang gliders and away from the powered ultralight drivers we've been subsidizing while they've been hijacking it away from us.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic14-1110.html#p6446
Tad Eareckson - 2014/08/11 11:10:39 UTC
I actually DO care about the sport and the kind of people who SHOULD be in it and the most important and effective thing I can do is hunt down and destroy supertrolls such as yourself, Steve Wendt, Davis, Malcolm, Matt, Trisa, Bob, Peter, Pagen... I don't want them going somewhere else and poisoning new victims. I want their names and reputations thoroughly, totally, irrevocably demolished and their places in history permanently where they deserve to be.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic6-660.html#p3849
Tad Eareckson - 2013/02/23 12:25:36 UTC
And actually, all we really need to do is destroy Rooney 'cause:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic6-570.html#p3764
Tad Eareckson - 2013/02/17 14:03:55 UTC
Tad wrote about Jim Rooney:
If we keep the heat on we can destroy this son of a bitch.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic14-520.html#p3021
Tad Eareckson - 2012/10/04 16:30:31 UTC
More to come, back to work, must destroy Ryan.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic14-110.html#p687
Tad Eareckson - 2011/08/25 09:04:24 UTC
Tad wrote about Jim Rooney:
Keep it on line, Steve. We need to publicly destroy and humiliate this miserable little s**t to the maximum extent possible.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-340.html#p7060
Tad Eareckson - 2014/11/23 05:39:02 UTC
To Bob:
The purpose of Kite Strings is to assemble top quality people, pilots, writers, and fighters to demolish evil little entities like yours, Jack's, Davis's, Peter's.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic72-40.html#p6855
Tad Eareckson - 2014/10/22 04:02:46 UTC
Tad wrote to Orion Price:
Talk to me - motherfu**er. I'll demolish your a** so fast you won't know what hit you. Or are you gonna save that for when the forum is locked down and no one can see what's going on?

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic72-30.html#p6729
Tad Eareckson - 2014/09/27 20:34:37 UTC
Tad wrote about the Oz Report:
A**holes in the enemy camp had set themselves up so well that even other a**holes in the enemy camp were poised to demolish them.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic10-780.html#p5819
Tad Eareckson - 2014/03/25 20:49:45 UTC
Tad wrote possibly about Rob McKenzie (I'm not sure on this one without doing more research):
If he's some evil lying piece of s**t like Rooney or Trisa you expose him for what he is, demolish him, neutralize him as an active threat to the sport and the people in it. (We seem to have done a pretty good number on that score on Rooney and Davis and likely Trisa as well.)

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic6-930.html#p4578
Tad Eareckson - 2013/06/27 06:07:21 UTC
To Dan Tomlinson:
NOBODY can make a positive contribution to the sport using ANY approach until we can demolish crud like you and flush it where it belongs.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic7-460.html#p4431
Tad Eareckson - 2013/06/04 03:12:39 UTC
Yeah Steve, it doesn't get much better than this one. We can demolish Rooney, Davis, and their cult members with it - like we did when Zack Marzec bought it. It won't change much but it DOES push their credibility a little farther down the toilet.
Do whatever you feel you can, guys. Every time the opposition opens its mouth it digs itself in deeper. And Rooney doesn't have five percent of the brains he needs to know when to shut the f**k up and make himself as inconspicuous as possible.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic42-20.html#p3576
Tad Eareckson - 2013/01/27 01:52:46 UTC
We've been dealing with this Hewett based insanity for over thirty years now and we need all the help we can get from competent and prudent pilots to demolish the incompetent lying scum that's gained control of this sport. We have tens of thousands of stupid Hassan and Hurless caliber clones reassuring people that Rooney Links are perfectly safe for competent and prudent pilots with well-trained brains.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic14-130.html#p708
Tad Eareckson - 2011/08/30 19:27:12 UTC
The problem that I see is that the people who REALLY know what the f**k they're talking about and how to demolish a**holes like Rooney and Davis aren't allowed to post here.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-10.html#p1035
Tad Eareckson - 2011/12/21 17:00:35 UTC
Sam wrote: Thanks BobK
Tad replied:
Yeah BobK, thank you SO VERY MUCH.
I've never hated you as much as I do at this moment - you lying, hypocritical, soulless, serial killing son of a bitch.
Bob replied:
You see, Tad? This is exactly why people ignore you. I went out of my way to NOT ignore you and I ended up on your "most hated" list.
And you wonder why people ignore you? You're like a mad dog chained in someone's front yard. Most people will just not make eye contact and keep on walking. I stopped by to see if I could help you and now you're lunging at my throat.
So don't complain when people just refuse to engage you. Your actions toward me (and others who've engaged you) demonstrate the futility (and danger) of making that attempt.

1. Goddam am I eloquent! Even holds up pretty well with the asterisk substitutions. Thanks bigtime for harvesting, assembling, organizing those.

2. Didn't see too much in there about undermining US Hawks, did ya Bob? Pretty much all about individuals, isn't it?

3. Here's an extract of the names of the enemy individuals from your quoted passages:

Bob Kuczewski
Sam Kellner
Rick Masters
Peter Birren
Charlie Schneider
Bill Cummings
Davis Straub
Jim Rooney
Steve Wendt
Malcolm Jones
Matt Taber
Dr. Trisa Tilletti
Dennis Pagen
Ryan Voight
Jack Axaopoulos
Orion Price
Rob McKenzie
Dan Tomlinson
Craig Hassan
Paul Hurless

Kite Strings has done a lot of damage to a lot of those motherfuckers. You're not hearing much from them or about them as go-to experts and authorities and credible individuals nowadays. Donnell Hewett's sorta in there as well. His 1.0 G magic weak link is forever down the toilet as well.

4. And I have no doubt whatsoever that you think that every single individual who's ever clipped into a hang glider is a wonderful individual, major asset to the gene pool, and sterling influence on all people of varying ages - 'cept, of course, for Tad Eareckson and Steve Davy. And only Tad merits a lifetime blacklisting from the sport and treatment a hundred times worse than what Sara Martin got.

5. All those time stamps you're seeing are advanced an hour from what I'm seeing and the actual post times. I wonder what's going on with that.

Warren Narron - 2015/02/07 02:25:31 UTC

If you want to ban me for ~not~ violating any of your rules, then just go ahead and do it like a dictator.
If you want to change the rules in midstream then I guess a better place for discussion would be the pro-tem Executive Board.

Warren, you've been able to post here since 2010. If I had wanted to ban you at any time, I'd have done so already. In fact, I was really concerned about you being missing for so long. If I had wanted to ban you at any time, I could deleted your account at any time during that period and no one would have known.

We would have if Warren had come over here and said that you had deleted his account.

But I didn't.

Most impressive.

However, as the US Hawks continues to grow, we are going to have to deal with people who want to destroy, demolish, or go to "war" with us as Tad has clearly expressed.

And he's been one of your staunchest and most effective defenders in the current Torrey situation.

I'd never searched his forum like this before...

Why would you have to?

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/06 03:59:16 UTC

Read his forum and you'll see his hatred seeping onto almost every page.

You've obviously read enough of it to know that my hatred is seeping onto almost every page.

...and I was surprised (although I shouldn't have been) to find that he's been sending some of "his people" over here with the explicit intention of causing us trouble.

1. Quote me.

2. Which of "my people"? I don't have all that many.

3. Is "Nobody" one of "my people" causing us trouble? If he is you're acknowledging that you know that his identity is Steve Davy - USHGA 88875 - and your pretense for keeping him locked down in your Basement - with so many restrictions that he has to log out to have more freedom of movement on The Bob Show - evaporates.

4. Can you describe any of this trouble we've caused? I'd like to know so's I can redouble our efforts in the areas in which we've been most successful.

5. When you say "us" you're talking about a total dictatorship so what you're really saying is "you".

At some point we're going to have to deal with that...

Deal with what? You'll have been on the air four and a half years come Friday. You haven't had enough time to make up rules to keep an individual from destroying your "association" by posting words?

From the very first post on Kite Strings:

Zack C - 2010/11/23 05:23:34 UTC

The forum is still in its infancy, so we don't have much in the way of structure or posting rules. Until we're large enough to have a need for more, all topics will be under a single forum. As for rules, just keep it civil, stay on topic, keep topics in line with the forum purpose, and don't lie or misrepresent others' statements.

That's all we've ever needed - more than, actually. And nobody can make any pretense of a legitimate claim that anybody's ever been treated unfairly under it.

...and I'm sure we will find a way.

No doubt "WE" will. That's one thing "WE" are REALLY good at.

As I've written before, the US Hawks would like to take the position that people should join and support - in a positive way - whatever organizations and forums they want.

And as you've acted, the US Hawks / Bob should be free to undercut, sabotage, experiment on, lock down, blackmail, ban anyone not in lockstep with his personal goals, positions, tactics, religious beliefs.

That's the live and let live model.

And here's the most striking example/result of your live and let live model:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7462005802_bbc0ac66ac_o.jpg


Hope it's been worth it to you.

If you like what Tad is doing, then please go over to his forum and support him there.

Why? He's not allowed to support what Tad's doing on The Bob Show? Wow...

http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
HG ORG Mission Statement - Hang Gliding Wiki

HangGliding.Org Rules and Policies

No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27494
The exciting bits

Steve Davy - 2012/04/27 01:55:17 UTC

Why did you delete my post?

Davis Straub - 2012/04/27 02:42:02 UTC

Tad's name.

That sure sounds familiar.

I can respect that.

And Bob's respect is the only respect that matters on The Bob Show.

But I can't respect anyone who is a member of the US Hawks for the explicit purpose of undermining it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

But a dictator can do whatever the fuck he wants whenever the fuck he wants for whatever the fuck reason he feels like.

I so do love it when assholes so vividly illustrate just how right I've been about them.
---
Edit - 2015/02/08 15:25:00 UTC

I somehow managed to miss some important text from Bob on the first run of this one. Give things a skim if you've done the post before and are interested. Sorry 'bout that.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/07 17:22:55 UTC

I checked Tad's site this morning:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-470.html#p7379

Tad (referring to my post above) wrote:
Tad Eareckson - 2015/02/07 13:41:56 UTC

Here's an extract of the names of the enemy individuals from your quoted passages:

Bob Kuczewski
Sam Kellner
Rick Masters
Peter Birren
Charlie Schneider
Bill Cummings
Davis Straub
Jim Rooney
Steve Wendt
Malcolm Jones
Matt Taber
Dr. Trisa Tilletti
Dennis Pagen
Ryan Voight
Jack Axaopoulos
Orion Price
Rob McKenzie
Dan Tomlinson
Craig Hassan
Paul Hurless

Kite Strings has done a lot of damage to a lot of those motherfu**ers. You're not hearing much from them or about them as go-to experts and authorities and credible individuals nowadays. Donnell Hewett's sorta in there as well. His 1.0 G magic weak link is forever down the toilet as well.

Note that he calls all of those people "enemy individuals" and brags about having "done a lot of damage" to many of them.

If anyone wants to be part of a hang gliding association bent on destroying other people and other organizations, please leave the US Hawks and join some other organization. I may disagree with some of the people in Tad's list, but my goal has always been to change their viewpoints rather than "destroying" them. There's no place for "destroying" people on the US Hawks.

Note that he calls all of those people "enemy individuals"...

Yeah, I believe I said that in the space of the first ten words at the beginning of your quote. Some of your more astute readers may have been able to pick up on that.

...and brags about having "done a lot of damage" to many of them.

Brags? Statement of fact.

If anyone wants to be part of a hang gliding association bent on destroying other people and other organizations, please leave the US Hawks and join some other organization.

Oh, so they get a CHOICE.

I may disagree with some of the people in Tad's list...

It's essentially your list. I just pulled all the names out of it sequentially.

Note: Didn't really intend the include Bill as one of those motherfu**ers. He's an enemy on the weak link issue but I don't hate him and have a fair bit of respect for him.

...but my goal has always been to change their viewpoints rather than "destroying" them.

Oh really? How long you been working on that goal? Tell us about some of your successes.

There's no place for "destroying" people on the US Hawks.

Of course not. Just plenty of places for folk who want to make it a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.

Say Bob...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/11 07:12:00 UTC

But I didn't say anything. I was just silently making a video tape of the incident ... until Gabe looked over and realized he'd been caught:




About that time, some of the other Torrey thugs joined in the intimidation:



Around that time, Robin Marien (the "concessionaire") decided that he was going to untie my glider and remove it from the property. He had one of his thugs try to block the view of my camera so I couldn't actually photograph him doing it. As you can see, it didn't work very well.

If your goal is to change people's viewpoints then just how good an idea is it to refer to them as "thugs"? Try losing some of the anger and appealing to their better natures.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/07 18:25:21 UTC

I just got this message from someone who wanted to remain anonymous.

To bobk and Free,

In looking over the quotes bobk gathered from Tad's "KiteStrings" site, anyone here should be aware of the following:

18 U.S. Code § 875 - Interstate Communications

(c) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing . . . any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.*

Tad wrote :

We need to humiliate and destroy him - drive a stake through whatever he's using for a heart and decapitate him to make sure . . .

That sure sounds to me like a "threat to injure". And since the message has been received by multiple parties in multiple states it unquestionably involves interstate commerce.

* <http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/875>

I just got this message from someone who wanted to remain anonymous.

Wow, Bob. You certainly do seem to have your fair share of friends...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/14 17:51:49 UTC

I am just trying to deal with a concern that has been brought to my attention by one of our members.

...who want to remain anonymous. Now of whom does that remind me?

http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3107
I have a tandem rating!!!

Jim Rooney - 2008/03/27 08:56:10 UTC

Hahaha... a friend of mine called this perfectly... (paraphrasing) "Tad's lecture in 3... 2.. 1..."
This was a few days ago.
BWA HAHAHAHAHA

Fortunately, since he's blocked from me, I have no idea what he's blathering on about (though I can guess), nor do I care to.

Oh yeah.

To bobk and Free...

Writes to bobk and Free, researches turning internet flame wars into felonies, formats his ellipses separating periods with spaces . . . I wonder whom that would possibly be...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1616
Poetic Justice

wingspan33 - 2015/01/31 06:07:12 UTC

bobk wrote:

Again, from my limited knowledge of the law, I don't believe a law was broken. If you know more, then please post it.

To Free and Bobk,

I've been doing some research on the legality of the attack posts made against Sara (a resident of Oregon at the time).

Here's Oregon's State law on Harassment :

Oregon State Law § 166.065 Harassment

(1) A person commits the crime of harassment if the person intentionally:
(a) Harasses or annoys another person by:
. . .
(B) Publicly insulting such other person by abusive words . . . in a manner intended and likely to provoke a violent response . . .

(2)(a) A person is criminally liable for harassment if the person knowingly permits any telephone or electronic device under the persons control to be used in violation of subsection (1) of this section.

(3) Harassment is a Class B misdemeanor [a crime - involving possible jail time].

Besides the person(s) doing the harassing, there seems to be section (2)(a) that can make the Internet Provider criminally liable, if they "knowingly" allow one of their clients to act in a harassing manner. This is where informing them can stop future violations.

I've also dug up the involved internet provider: Charter Communications/Cable TV in Lakeview, OR. I plan on calling them with addition information to see if one or more people were involved. From what I know presently, they use "dynamic" IP addresses, which means the people using a specific IP address can indeed change (but it isn't necessarily a requirement). "Static" IP addresses are assigned to specific customers.

Perhaps more later. It's late and time to hit the hay.
customers, but that is irrelevant in this situation (as far as I know so far).

I'm guessing Sam. But the ratio of smilies to words is under three to one so I'm really not sure.

1. We NEED TO get the atmospheric CO2 level back down to its pre Industrial Revolution level - but that probably ain't gonna happen anytime soon neither.

2. Driving a stake through Jack's heart and then decapitating him would INJURE him? My, what wonders have been wrought by modern medicine. Either that or those aren't particularly important body parts for him.

3. The time stamp on that post was 2014/08/19 17:02:33 UTC. I had hoped to have a stake driven through his heart and him decapitated by the end of that month but planning for the actual assault and covering my tracks afterwards so that I'm not investigated as a suspect is proving much more time consuming than my original estimate.

4. Hey fellow KiteStrings-Dot-Orgers... How much did you guys clear last quarter in this interstate of foreign commerce of ours?

5. Hey Sam . . . I notice you chopped the quote off before:

And time is on our side. We can do it carefully and leisurely 'cause he can never effectively unpost what he's already posted.

which makes it pretty fuckin' clear - as if it weren't fucking obvious enough already - that I'm talking virtually/digitally - not about steel and holly. But I guess if you're gonna serve on The Bob Show Fake Board of Directors you'll need all the practice you can get quoting stuff out of context.

Hey Bob, if your goal is to change my viewpoint it's definitely not working - at least not in the direction I was assuming you meant.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Bill Cummings - 2015/02/07 19:02:29 UTC

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-230.html#p5542
Tad Eareckson - 2014/01/03 23:42:54 UTC
Bob wrote: So I am again asking that we follow the well known adage: If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. : )
Tad replied: You, Sam, Rick, Peter, Charlie, and - with his wildly popular but totally wacko understanding of weak links - Bill ARE *ACTUAL* *DEADLY* *THREATS* to people of ALL ages and, more importantly, to the sport of hang gliding. And y'all proved that in no uncertain terms a year and a half ago.
And, as long as that's the case - and that will ALWAYS be the case (more so as time progresses the way things have been going recently), there's no way in hell that I'm gonna do a live-and-let-live thing with you a**holes.

Bill C. two cents worth:
The post by Bob of quotes attributed to Tad's attacks on websites and people differing with Tads opinions are in surprising abundance.

I virtually never DO *OPINIONS*, Bill. And on those rare occasions when I do do them I very clearly identify them as such.

Bob can ease up now. No need to drop another bunker buster bomb on such a soft surface target. Your research, beyond any reasonable doubt, supports your contention on Tad's ill will directed at the US Hawks and others for differing with his opinions.

I happily invite ANYBODY to differ with my opinions. An opinion is just a guess - hopefully educated. I just got a real big problem with people differing with Sir Isaac's positions on the issues.

I don't find myself in anyone's camp of differing with Tad's opinionS. I've stated in the past and Tad has even quoted me for supporting the good work that he has done with his aero towing procedures. I can only recall two opinions that differ between us. The first being weaklink strength and we are not that far apart. My upper limit is 350 pounds breaking strength or 1.6 of my all up weight when platform towing and for various situations that can arise while platform towing.

If you're using a weak link that's a percentage of your all up weight you're trying to use it as a pitch and lockout protector. A weak link's SOLE purpose is as an overload protector - and it's expressed in terms of percentage of max certified operating weight.

I believe in lift and tug before launch (when it can be done safely)...

Oh good. 'Cause there's not one scrap of actual evidence anywhere of any circumstances when lift and tug CAN'T be done safely. Although for some pilot glider combos in light or dead air it can't be done at all - at least without assistance.

...but that caveat will easily dissolve into a blistering attack by Tad for whomever brings it up.

How blistering an attack was that, Bill? All I'm asking for is a video clip or anecdotal account of an unsafe situation precipitated by an attempt to tighten the suspension on the ramp in ANY circumstances. To date all I've had are totally lunatic statements from Bob and his references to statements from anonymous "experts".

For these differences Tad has named me, "----with his wildly popular but totally wacko understanding of weak links - BILL ARE *ACTUAL* *DEADLY* *THREATS* to people of ALL ages and, more importantly the sport of hang gliding."

Your statements on weak links have been all over the fuckin' map. 1.6 Gs / times all up weight I could pretty much live with but you're seeing people blow off tow at well under half that while the glider's under good or perfect control and sending them back up on the same crap and telling them not to beef things up under any circumstances.

For the up and coming tow pilots please recognize that there is more than one opinion concerning weak link strength.

Really?

http://ozreport.com/12.081
Weaklinks - the HGFA rules

Davis Straub - 2008/04/22 14:47:00 UTC

Pilots must use weaklinks provided by the meet organizers and in a manner approved by the meet organizers. All weaklinks will be checked and use of inappropriate weaklinks will require the pilot to go to the end of the launch line to change the weaklink.

Weaklinks will consist of a single loop of Cortland 130 lb. Greenspot braided Dacron Tolling line and should be placed at one end of a shoulder bridle.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/31 09:25:57 UTC

Oh how many times I have to hear this stuff.
I've had these exact same arguments for years and years and years.
Nothing about them changes except the new faces spouting them.

It's the same as arguing with the rookie suffering from intermediate syndrome.
They've already made up their mind and only hear that which supports their opinion.

Only later, when we're visiting them in the hospital can they begin to hear what we've told them all along.

Nobody's talking about 130lb weaklinks? (oh please)
Many reasons.
Couple of 'em for ya... they're manufactured, cheap and identifiable.

See, you don't get to hook up to my plane with whatever you please. Not only am I on the other end of that rope... and you have zero say in my safety margins... I have no desire what so ever to have a pilot smashing himself into the earth on my watch. So yeah, if you show up with some non-standard gear, I won't be towing you. Love it or leave it. I don't care.

So please, find me something... that you didn't make... that I can go out and buy from a store... that's rated and quality controlled... that fits your desire for a "non one size fits all" model, and *maybe* we can talk.
But you see... I'm the guy you've got to convince.
(or whoever your tug pilot may be... but we all tend to have a similar opinion about this)

You've not heard about strong-link incidents.
Uh, yeah... cuz we don't let you use them.

"light" weaklink issues?
"I had to land"... boo hoo.

For DECADES the only OPINION that mattered was that of the Aerotow Industry douchebag one-size-fits-all 130 pound Greenspot braided Dacron Tolling line and placed at one end of a shoulder bridle. And that OPINION didn't get a stake driven through its heart until after the tolling line placed at one end of a shoulder bridle killed a tandem aerotow instructor Aerotow Industry douchebag.

Not diametrically, emphatically opposing opinions...

Fuck opinions. There's NEVER been ANY justification for doing anything based on them at any time in the history of the sport.

...to my way of thinking...

This is aviation, Bill. There's only one proper way of thinking. All the others will get somebody killed.

...but apparently you must choose carefully with whom you align yourself with at the risk of being lumped in with the group that are "***holes."

Just align yourself with Sir Isaac. It's impossible to go wrong with that.

What I find confusing for Tads readers is Tad referencing my praise for his good work on his aero towing procedures and then readers finding me grouped with people that are deadly threats to hang gliding and let's not forget "***holes."

You can be grouped with assholes on one issue and heroes on another. Rob Kells is an asshole when he writes:

Always use an appropriate weak link with a finished length of 1.5 inches or less.

and a hero when he writes:

Rob Kells - 2005/12

Following a recent fatal accident caused by the pilot launching unhooked, there has been a discussion on how to guarantee that you are hooked in. The two main methods are:

1. Always do a hang check before launch, and/or

2. Always hook your harness into the glider before you get into the harness.

Interestingly, NEITHER of these methods GUARANTEES that you will not launch unhooked some day. Let's add a third one:

3. Always lift the glider vertically and feel the tug on the leg straps when the harness mains go tight, just before you start your launch run. I always use this test.

You're never gonna be a total asshole, Bill. You HAVE made positive contributions to the sport.

P.S. I've made a substantial amendment to the first post on this page (2015/02/07 13:41:56 UTC) - pretty much all in one block around the beginning of Bob's quoted post.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Warren Narron - 2015/02/07 19:58:11 UTC

I don't know what you all are talking about

Tad is already banned.
What new rules are needed to fix that problem?

It seems to me that Bob is trying to make the case for anyone tied to Tad.
Maybe like this:

HangGliding.Org Rules and Policies

No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.

Goddam exactly fuckin' right. Davis, Jack, Bob... Just different flavors of control freak.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/07 22:49:15 UTC

Commitment - Pass it On

Tad was banned by my own decision.

Yeah Bob, you couldn't even assemble a lynch mob of Dedicated Sycophants together to lynch an unrepentant child molester.

As I've stated many times, I'd like the US Hawks to migrate to a Board of Directors system of government providing due process for decisions like Tad's banning.

Yeah, it's fuckin' amazing how many times you've stated stuff you'd like to do but never seem to get around to actually doing.

It may be that such a Board would reverse that decision.

Fuck that. You had ZERO legitimate justification for banning me - or, before that, locking me down in your Basement - and any legitimate board should, as their very first act, condemn your action in no uncertain terms and reinstate and apologize to me. And if it did that do you think that "US Hawks" would be having the problems with me that it is now?

If we are going to have a Board to make such decisions, then they're going to need guidance to fall back on.

Really? Who'd you have in mind?

That's the model that we've used here in the United States. We have a fairly compact Constitution that provides guidance for all of our laws and even our court decisions.

Write one. Make the opening paragraph about excluding unrepentant child molesters and establish that background checks will be mandatory for all applicants and establish criteria for determining whether or not child molesters are repentant. I'd be more than happy to help you with a draft. That's just the sorta thing...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=929
Training Manual Comments / Contribution

Warren Narron - 2012/01/06 18:55:32 UTC

Going against the grain here, but someone has to point out that the probable best candidate to write a training manual has been banned from this site.

...I'm really good at.

That's what's been missing at USHPA, and almost all other hang gliding forums. That's what we'd like to establish here.

List the people who authorized you to speak on their behalf.

It seems to me that Bob is trying to make the case for anyone tied to Tad...

No. I would not advocate for rules banning any one person just as we don't have laws listing people by name who should be in jail. I would like to establish rules of conduct or "Terms of Service" or whatever we might want to call it to ensure that people know what the rules are and they are applied fairly to everyone.

OH! So you banned me because of my CONDUCT. And here I was thinking that you banned me because you wanted The Bob Show to be a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.

The thorny problem we have is how to handle saboteurs.

Do you have a problem with saboteurs? Can you point us to some examples and show us how much damage they've been doing?

When I started this forum I imagined an organization of people working together to protect and promote the sport of hang gliding.

You've got a wonderful imagination, Bob. It's just reality that you've always had major problems with.

I figured people who didn't want to participate in that endeavor would not be interested in participating on the forum (they would vote with their feet).

And you figured that all of their opinions would be perfectly aligned with all off your opinions and thus, obviously, all perfectly aligned with each other's opinions.

I didn't really imagine anyone intentionally joining with the goal of destroying what we were trying to build.

1. Name the individuals you IMAGINE are doing that. You can't pull together a coalition robust enough to tolerate a counterrevolutionary nut case or two?

2. You didn't really imagine anyone intentionally joining with the goal of destroying what "WE" were trying to build immediately after "OUR" experience with Jack and the HGAA? You're not a very quick learner, are ya Bob?

Wiktionary wrote:

saboteur (plural saboteurs)

Thanks for including the plural in there, Bob. We were a bit confused on that issue.

1. A person who intentionally causes the destruction of property in order to hinder the efforts of his/her enemy.

So how does that differ from what a bomber pilot does? Maybe we should take a look at the etymology...

sabot + -eur (where mill workers would throw their wooden shoes into the machinery to make it halt or break down.)

Isn't it widely understood that a saboteur is someone operating covertly from the inside?

You have zillions of quotes from me and every single one of them is post banning from Kite Strings. And you haven't posted anything from anybody on The Bob Show as evidence of commies under the bed.

That's pretty close to Tad's stated purpose.

Yeah Bob, I tend to do that to a lot of dumps that have "No Tads" rules.

It also seems to be what a few others are trying to do.

OH! It also SEEMS to be what a few unidentified and unquoted others are TRYING to do. But you have this tremendous problem with Tad Puppet saboteurs working inside The Bob Show and bringing it down.

It would be my hope that anyone who didn't want to support the growth of the US Hawks would just go away and start their own association ("live and let live").

Maybe you have people over there who aren't totally aligned with everything you want to do. Given that in four and a half years you haven't yet trusted a single one of them with a single ounce of shared power just how much of a surprise would that be?

Then we wouldn't need any rules for dealing with saboteurs.

Sounds wonderful. I have no fuckin' clue why it's not working out that way.

But that doesn't seem to be the case. So we will have to figure out how to address this problem.

Ya wanna know where the REAL Bob Show sabotage was?

Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC

This discussion should be off-line (actually, it should never have existed in the first place), but it's kind of late for that...

There's really nothing I can say that Tad hasn't already said better, but in the interest of hearing it from someone else...
1. You continually misrepresent Tad's statements.
2. You banish him to the basement without any justification other than some faux 'experiment'.

Finally, it's important to note that nations and organizations have had various "pledges of allegiance" since the dawn of civilization. Sometimes it's a formal pledge (like the US Pledge of Allegiance), sometimes it's an oath (as when joining the military or law enforcement), and sometimes it's a legal agreement outlining a duty or obligation of allegiance (Board of Director's agreements, for example). But in all cases, such a pledge is intended to show a commitment to a cause. Such a commitment doesn't bar a person from expressing dissent on how to achieve the cause, but it does prohibit them from using the organization's resources to actively work against the cause. I am afraid that we may need something like that to give us a basis for separating people who want to work to build the US Hawks and people who want to work to destroy it.

1. Why? Just have the President or some appointed member...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=818
Peter (Link Knife) Birren

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/11/27 14:49:31 UTC

Peter, I do think you should pretty much ignore Tad at this point. Tad doesn't really want to make progress in this sport. If he did, then he'd be doing what I've suggested above. Furthermore, I believe Tad is motivated more by some sort of twisted revenge than by any desire to actually improve the sport.

...in charge of declaring that person's intentions and motivations for him. If a system ain't broke don't fix it.

2. And make sure that you have an acknowledgement of God in your loyalty oath - just like the US has in it's loyalty oath and on its coins.

3. Name the countries which mandate loyalty oaths as preconditions for citizenship, voting, legal rights and protections. Also name some national hang gliding associations, local clubs, operations that mandate loyalty oaths. Might be a good idea to look at a few so's there's something to model from.

4. Oh, so somebody who wants to destroy The Bob Show from within won't be able to if you bar his path with a loyalty oath requirement.

5. So tell me how it's determined that an individual is actively working against the cause and not just expressing dissent on how to achieve the cause? Just how long are you planning on making this loyalty oath? Will the candidate be required to memorize the first ten pages for recitation or will he be allowed to just click "Agree"?

This is totally nuts, Bob. Seeing you like this I start feeling a tiny bit sorry for you.
---
Edit - 2015/02/08 19:30:00 UTC

Amended a chunk at the top inadvertently chopped off on the first pass.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Bill Cummings - 2015/02/07 23:11:48 UTC

Warren Narron - 2015/02/07 19:58:11 UTC

I don't know what you all are talking about

Maybe I've got it wrong when I connect the dots but here is what I'm talking about.

I see you as becoming a distraction to me and to the participants on the US Hawks.
Your posts are becoming more contentious and devoid of any real constructive information concerning the sport of hang gliding. I have found some of your posts interesting but many of your posts I think belong along with my off topic posts over at the Free Speech Zone.
I was pleased to see that Rick did not respond to your recent attempt to draw him into yet another off topic discussion.

I would think that would be a hint as to what we all were talking about.

It might not be what we all were talking about but it is what I'm talking about.

So who am I? Bill Cummings pilot # 30448 in the USHPA. I live in Las Cruces, NM. Bob has my phone number and complete knowledge of where I live and how to get a hold of me.

Who is "free?" Who is "Nobody?" Do either have pilot numbers or possibly troll numbers? Hopefully it's not both.

You bloody well oughta know who they both are. Warren's never made any secret of his identity and if you don't know who "Nobody" is you sure haven't been paying much attention to some pretty important forum topics.

I think I will change the way I respond to posts.

With respect to Kite Strings that would require that you actually post.

If it should have been posted in the Free Speech Zone I'll confine myself to responding to it there. If someone copies from the free speech zone...

You mean Bob's Basement where he locked me down to run an experiment for about a month?

...and posts a quote by me to the main US Hawks Hang Gliding forum I'll just ignore that person or sock puppet.

Yeah, you're pretty good at ignoring stuff.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/07 23:40:22 UTC

Bill Cummings - 2015/02/07 19:02:29 UTC

The post by Bob of quotes attributed to Tad's attacks on websites and people differing with Tads opinions are in surprising abundance.
Bob can ease up now. No need to drop another bunker buster bomb on such a soft surface target. Your research, beyond any reasonable doubt, supports your contention on Tad's ill will directed at the US Hawks and others for differing with his opinions.

Thanks. I didn't know how many people actually read Tad's site...

Comes up pretty good on Google search results.

...and that's why I felt compelled to show it.

Plus you got to post things out of context and not discuss any of the underlying issues.

I believe in lift and tug before launch (when it can be done safely) but that caveat will easily dissolve into a blistering attack by Tad for whomever brings it up.

What I find confusing for Tads readers is Tad referencing my praise for his good work on his aero towing procedures and then readers finding me grouped with people that are deadly threats to hang gliding and let's not forget "***holes."

I once used the analogy of a mad dog who will bite regardless of how nicely he is approached.

1. Just once?
2. Sometimes dogs learn that not everyone who approaches them nicely is their buddy. There's a lot more to relationships than approaches.

I suspect it's confusing to you because you don't operate that way yourself.

1. Bill doesn't talk to me.

2. Here's an example of how Bill sometimes operates:

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Bill Cummings - 2013/02/15 19:59:49 UTC

ZC, You're right! I'm wrong! Your mind is made up! Good luck with your strong weak links! LATERS!

Maybe I've got it wrong when I connect the dots but here is what I’m talking about...

Excellent observations. Unfortunately, I believe Rick may be reducing or eliminating his participation in the US Hawks based on these kinds of issues.

What a pity that would be. Rick's participation is pretty much all about what death traps paragliders are and hang gliding ancient history. Not that those aren't worthwhile topics/issues but he never does shit in the way of issues with the problems of contemporary hang gliding. And his attitude towards everyone who has to drive five hundred miles to get to a mountain launch is tough shit.

I'm sure Tad is jumping for joy over this...

Nah, Tad's jumping for joy watching you self destruct.

...but I am very much saddened to lose such an energetic and experienced member.

Have you lost him?

I think I will change the way I respond to posts...

I am responsible for allowing Free's posts here in the main forum (the Buck Stops Here).

Starts there too. And doesn't go anywhere else in between.

I was hoping that providing some leniency for Free would encourage better behavior. Unfortunately, it's only made things worse. I think this problem could be eliminated by establishing our Terms of Service (currently on the agenda for the Trial...

Fake.

...Board) and then enforcing them fairly for everyone.

Do you have some kind of precedent for that sorta thing?

Bill, I appreciate your level head on this topic ... and many others. You're a credit to the RGSA. Thank you!!!

What? No deluge of smilies? I don't think he's really sincere about this.

Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 00:52:29 UTC

New Rule: Oath of Fealty?

Bob, without looking up the actual quote, have you ever stated that it is ok to reference anything from Tad?
Am I incorrect in this assumption?
Were there any bad words or threats in those two posts, where Tad is asking you to respond to ongoing safety concerns in the way hang gliding is done? These are safety considerations that you have addressed in the past.
Do you feel that those questions are not worth discussing when it comes to safety and therefore, the future of hang gliding?

Let me know exactly when the rules you have established were changed.

The course you are now embarked will mark the beginning of the end of this little experiment.

Bob himself was the beginning of the end on 2010/08/13 with all of his bogus mission statement principles.

Have you noticed the distraction this paranoiac witch hunt has caused in shutting down discussion in another thread about the promotion of hang gliding? If it were possible for you to understand my developing proposal, could give the US Hawks some much needed credibility.

To add to the none it has now.

But no. You won't have any of it.
You are the smartest guy here and you want no part in developing any plan that doesn't come from your own slide rule calculator.

The slide rule calculator he leaves in the drawer when he's telling his Dedicated Sycophants how fantastic their ideas are.

Moving a computer scale line by two megapixels does not reverse the laws...

Opinions.

...of physics.
That kind of manipulation is not going to carry the US Hawks over the finish line of your imagination.

The Hawks has no product. There is no there, there.

Bull's-eye.

You are selling pie in the sky and there is no market for it.
I am here to help you and you won't let me.

But he'll probably be happy to tell you what great ideas you have.

You don't know what I have to offer the Hawks because you don't listen.
Turn me out for the fake reasons I've seen here and my new motivation will be quite different.

I'd have been reasonably happy just having my aerotow SOPs provisionally posted as a model. But Bob made sure that was never gonna happen - on the pretense that I wouldn't work cooperatively with all the other Bob Showers who wanted their opinions included in the document - because he didn't wanna risk alienating Rooney Linkers and pin benders.

The wisdom of wisdom is that you learn from your mistakes.

Bob should be a Bobby Bailey or Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney caliber fucking genius by now.

A little humility goes a long way too.

Pretty hard to muster for a god.

Do you really want to make something of the Hawks or is this just a big popularity contest?

It's another big...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=27217
Bad Launch!

NMERider - 2012/09/25 14:21:38 UTC

But what we have in excess here on the Org is generally referred to as a mutual masturbation society. That's where pilots get together and sit around and just jack each other off. That's what I see here in spades.

...mutual masturbation society.

Valid hang gliding safety concerns should never be off the table of any organization that professes to be a hang gliding organization.
Wherever they come from.

Just declare stalls to be totally harmless and you've got at least 95 percent of the problems licked.

You can make rules about how these are presented but the first entrenchment or retreat from these issues are when the organization begins to lose relevancy.

2010/08/13

Right now you are calling all the shots.

Right now? And every second of every day since initiation.

Continue the course you are going and the gloves will come off.

I did that years ago.

You are not the only one allowed that privilege.
You can choose to lose my contribution and have it turned against you.
This is not a threat, it is just nature.

Bob doesn't believe in nature.

I've been railroaded before and I don't like it.

I'll bet I've been railroaded a lot more often and severely than you have.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show

Warren Narron - 2011/12/13 02:41:40 UTC

Tad, you are a train wreck and I've been to a few.
Your Davis Straub banning was more like being shot in the back by a dirty cop while Bob's action isn't even a banning.
So apples and oranges.

Pretty much, not the same.

That might be why my fuse is several years shorter than yours.

You know that feeling right? It's what brought us all together.

Yeah, that's what I thought at first. Spent too much time listening to what he was saying and too little time listening to what he wasn't saying and watching what he was doing and not doing.

Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Animal Farm.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 01:24:11 UTC

Harry Truman was my neighbor

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/07 23:40:22 UTC

I am responsible for allowing Free's posts here in the main forum (the Buck Stops Here).

Bob, you are responsible for the Sun coming up on this list.
If someone doesn't like that, you can take a vote and deny the Sun ever came up.

If there is a safety concern from anyone under the umbrella of this discussion list, and you don't like it, the simple thing to do is take a vote and make it go away. It is that simple.

Compliance is what you want.
A Fealty Oath to Bob K.

That's what Harry Truman did to Nagasaki.
They didn't comply and he dropped a buck on em.
Forty five years ago, when Harry Truman was still alive and living in his long time house on Truman Road in Independence Missouri, I lived in a trailer park on Truman Road about 2 miles to the east. I drove within 50 ft. of his living room window many, many times.
I didn't know then what I know now. That phenomenon is wisdom from age and a mind that yearns to learn.

Never saw anything but maybe a US Parks Ranger at any time, even though I heard that Harry would occasionally walk the neighborhood.
One morning before daylight, on my way to work, I saw him sitting in a chair by the window, reading by the light of a lamp.
I hesitated at the stop sign a bit before traffic moved me on.
This doesn't mean anything but I want to thank you for returning this memory back to me.
I never saw him again.

Bob K., you are no Harry Truman.
Stop comparing yourself to famous people.
It doesn't get you the respect that you think it does.

Scott C. Wise - 2015/02/08 03:03:57 UTC

Free,

First off, Bob is not asking for a feudal allegiance to himself as "Lord of the kingdom"...

He doesn't need to. He's been in total control of his "national association" for four and a half years.

...he's talking about having people who participate and are involved in the (growing) US Hawks having a positive and constructive attitude toward the US Hawks - and perhaps SAYING (and/or acknowledging) SO!

Doesn't that rather conflict with?:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions

What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.

On a positive note: Your recent thread topic about Hang Gliding Gypsies grabbed my curiosity. I started flying in 1975 but was trying to fly (with a "bamboo butterfly" of my own design) starting in 1974. So, I know about the basic, simple attraction (and accessibility?) of hang gliding in those days (as compared to today). But I've been waiting for you to get to your point in the Gypsy thread related to your concluding idea/concept.

I'm fairly confident that I know where you are headed, but until you get there I'm not ready to (disrespectfully?) assume your ultimate point/conclusion. I'm also seeing you acting as a "teacher" waiting for the "bright" student(s) to raise their hand and deliver the realized point of the lesson. Thing is, you can make your point straight out. That would save us all a lot of time - and would likely be appreciated.

Beyond all the above, your thread about US solders "guarding" opium poppy fields in the middle east (as well as your other politically oriented threads) is utterly irrelevant to the development of the US Hawks. And it can be seen as a purposeful distraction from the business at hand.

Try to focus more on who Tad was sleeping with thirty years ago.

I would not doubt that some would describe such topics as (at the very least?) bordering on paranoid delusional. On the other hand, I am relatively confident that the US Gov is ripe with corruption so, . . . . ? ? ? ? . . . skepticism is not uncalled for.

Still, this is a budding...

Metastasizing.

...Hang Gliding Organization Forum web site! We do not need to debate the meaning of a picture of US soldiers standing in a (ding dang) poppy field somewhere in Afghanistan. Their seriously damaged/destroyed economy practically makes illegal agricultural (in the US) "drug" production close to mandatory - regardless of our military presences in the area. Hey, the world is screwed up! The US is not always to blame. It's time to re-enter the...

...Tad-free...

...world of the US Hawks!

End of commentary.

Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 06:03:28 UTC

Soldiers guarding poppies is real. The Taliban had all but eradicated poppies before US soldiers invaded Afghanistan.

If I were living under the Taliban I'd be needing to smoke all the opium I could get my hands on.

Now production is back up to world record levels. It's been on the news but ex-Rangers don't know and don't bother to google before they call someone a liar.
Now, thanks to Bob, you are calling me paranoid delusional because you think I'm just making this up.
Were you always so easy to deceive?

Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 07:55:46 UTC

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1616
Poetic Justice

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/01/31 04:29:03 UTC

Also let me correct you that I was not "angered" by you telling me that the "government/military/industrial complex uses soldiers to protect poppy fields". I just think you're wrong.

But I wasn't wrong.

I also think you're wrong that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks.

And I've never made that claim. Your imagination runs wild.

I also think you're wrong that the World Trade Center towers fell "faster than gravity".

Also never said that.

In fact, I took the time to do the analysis on that one, but you ignored it because it didn't fit what you wanted to believe.

I didn't ignore it, I wanted to believe you, Bob.
It just didn't make any sense for you to go to all that trouble just to try and baffle us with so much bullpuckey.
Your analysis, for whatever validity it had, said nothing to change the fact that Building 7 came down at ~near~ the speed of acceleration/gravity.
Who are you trying to fool here? It surely isn't me.

My information comes from here:

http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/evidence/35-key-facts/275-nist-admits-freefall.html
NIST Admits Freefall:
WTC7 in Freefall - No Longer Controversial (9:29 min)
NIST Admits Freefall Part I (10:48 min)
NIST Admits Freefall Part II (5:40 min)
NIST Admits Freefall Part III (10:17 min)

This couldn't have happened, as in physically impossible, (laws of physics) without structural elements being totally removed from the picture, instantaneously and simultaneously. Weird huh?
I've never really speculated openly as to who did it. That was your imagination run wild.
I'll look it up if you wish. I was just talking about known laws of physics and you debunked it with bunk. Why?
Who do you think did it Bob?

None of these things anger me, but they do make me question your ability to think rationally.

You seem to be getting angrier and angrier by the minute. Now you want to kick me out of your club.
Where is this going to end?

At best as an alternate national hang gliding association that's gonna make USHGA look like Nirvana.

I'm really starting to question your rationality.

Did you read his post about clipping the carabiner to your chin strap as a precaution against launching unhooked?

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/08 07:30:57 UTC

Warren, I've been directly contacted by two members of this forum who have told me in no uncertain terms that these political topics are killing the US Hawks.

No uncertain terms whatsoever. These anonymous members of yours are truly amazing.

They have both suggested deleting this entire topic.

That would certainly help in sweeping the Tad issue under the rug.

Here's one quote:

My suggestion is to delete that entire thread and EVERYTHING similar. No apologies. No discussion. No record.

No agreement from any of the participants. The more I hear about these anonymous members the more I like them.

It's poison.

http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
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No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.

If you are going to popularize the ravings of a psychotic on US Hawks Forum for some kind of silly mind-game obsession / rationalization of "fairness," you will end up with nothing but garbage because people who come to US Hawks to discuss hang gliding will leave. They will run.

DAMN STRAIGHT! The Bob Show will almost immediately cease to be the astronomical success it is now and always has been.

What do you think I should do?

Delete the entire topic, Bob. When two anonymous members have both told you the same thing what choice do you really have?

What does everyone else think I should do?

Keeriste Bob! Don't ask what everyone else thinks you should do. The server isn't geared to handle the surges you'll get in response. You could bring the whole system down.

Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 07:41:35 UTC

Bob, the reason you blew your cork was the discussion of hang gliding.
You can't and won't answer Tad's valid safety concerns and now the sand box is getting too small.
Delete as you wish. I've got it all copied.
It won't be the last you see it.

You can sweep it under the rug but that doesn't make it go away.

Funny. That's exactly how I was thinking of it.

If that is your choice you might as well stick a fork in it because you will have lost any credibility you have left.

Give him a fuckin' break, Warren. He's just had two unnamed members tell him something in no uncertain terms.

Do you wish to delete everything else I've written?
Doesn't that go against the grain of a guy that left the crap against Sara up ~for the good of the Hawks~?
Did you take a vote and ask Sara what she thought about that?

Have you ever in your life admitted you were wrong?

Well, in order for him to do that he'd have had to have been wrong about something at some point. And I've never seen any evidence of that.

It's the ignorance here that is killing the Hawks.

Let's not forget lies and stupidity.

One at a time.
Who was first? Terry or Sara?

Terry - 2012/06/16.

Who is next?

I'm pulling for Sam. Seems only fair.

It's the blind leading the blind here.
A one eyed man should be King.

My email is e freeushga@yahoo.com e if anyone wants to contact me.
My time looks short in this place.

PS: This all started with your all knowing opinion on the "war on drugs"
Watch this please if you ever want to know the truth.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/08 09:23:33 UTC

I went back and read my post from Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:48 pm (found on the first page of this topic):

I don't mind a topic like this with its obvious political overtones (although I think it might be better in the "Free Speech Zone") as long as it doesn't start to take over the forum and drive everyone away.

The following post is sufficient evidence for me that the topic has indeed started to "take over the forum and drive everyone away":

My suggestion is to delete that entire thread and EVERYTHING similar. No apologies. No discussion. No record. It's poison. If you are going to popularize the ravings of a psychotic on US Hawks Forum for some kind of silly mind-game obsession / rationalization of "fairness," you will end up with nothing but garbage because people who come to US Hawks to discuss hang gliding will leave. They will run.

Of course it is, Bob. That's WAY more than you had in your decision to ban me and make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.

So I have moved this topic to the...

Basement.

...Free Speech Zone.

Reminds me of Davis and Marc Fink. I'd try to have a civilized discussion on a hang gliding issue, cocksucker Marc would take a shit in it, Davis would lock the topic down because of the "incivility".

I've left a "link" in the main forum but I believe that links are not updated so it will slowly sink in the rankings as other topics are updated.

Warren, you're welcome to start political topics here in the "Free Speech Zone" and you're welcome to start genuine hang gliding topics in the main forum. But please don't continue creating these kinds of political topics outside of the Free Speech Zone.

Thanks.

Great Bob. Now you can start building a national hang gliding organization with lotsa the kind of people who'd run away because somebody posted something in which they had no interest in the main subforum. And you've already got at least one member in favor of totally and permanently obliterating ten pages worth of historical record and work from seven individuals - including one who's gone to be with his Lord.

Currently reading 3863 hits - 38.63 hits per post. People must really be running away from the forum because this one.

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[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Regarding the first post on this page:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post7379.html#p7379
dealing with posts:
Warren Narron - 2015/02/07 02:25:31 UTC
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/07 07:12:59 UTC

I meant to say this at the time: Don't think for a fuckin' nanosecond that I didn't notice you did absolutely nothing in the way of addressing any of Warren's points. Do all the dodging and heap on all the obfuscatory bullshit you like. I know how to read you.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
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What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.

Yeah...

My suggestion is to delete that entire thread and EVERYTHING similar. No apologies. No discussion. No record. It's poison. If you are going to popularize the ravings of a psychotic on US Hawks Forum for some kind of silly mind-game obsession / rationalization of "fairness," you will end up with nothing but garbage because people who come to US Hawks to discuss hang gliding will leave. They will run.

Right. I'm guessing this is Rick. Arrogant fucking asshole with all the answers to everything - all unencumbered by thought processes and reality and zero respect for rules, rights, individuals, principles.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/08 07:30:57 UTC

What do you think I should do?
What does everyone else think I should do?

Bob makes the pretense of getting some kind of consensus but none of the people who are on the verge of being driven away by this thread gives enough of a rat's ass to respond. So...

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/08 09:23:33 UTC

The following post is sufficient evidence for me that the topic has indeed started to "take over the forum and drive everyone away":

My suggestion is to delete that entire thread and EVERYTHING similar. No apologies. No discussion. No record. It's poison. If you are going to popularize the ravings of a psychotic on US Hawks Forum for some kind of silly mind-game obsession / rationalization of "fairness," you will end up with nothing but garbage because people who come to US Hawks to discuss hang gliding will leave. They will run.

Bob uses a cowardly, anonymous, arrogant private message oozing with utter contempt for all other participants and members to do exactly what he wants to - sweep evidence of controversy and dissent under the rug.

Two anonymous opinions, only one of them quoted and the action is taken on behalf of the entire membership. No vote, no call for a decision from the Bob Show Fake Board of Directors. Bob Kuczewski - US hang gliding's great advocate for public board voting records. At least with USHPA we know who the people empowered to make the decisions are - maybe even the names of the ones behind the closed doors.

Trust me, two guys told me I should do something I want to do so I'm gonna do it. Anybody who doesn't like it can go fuck himself.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/10 16:26:53 UTC

Court adjourned at 4:30 yesterday.

USHPA's lawyer (Tim Herr) was in court ... sitting on the prosecution's side. That seems appropriate given that USHPA is no longer an association for the pilots.

Hasn't been for decades.

The prosecution rested at 3:30pm on the 5th day of presenting their case. The judge gave us until 4:30 (1 hour total) to present our entire defense. We hurried through our witnesses and did not have sufficient time to do justice to any of them.

Sounds like grounds for appeal if necessary.

Final arguments are scheduled for 2pm on February 24th, 2015. The judge stated that she will issue a written decision after that.

So Bob, how's it feel to have the machinery of the national hang gliding organization turned totally against you for trying to do something about belligerent, bullying, law breaking thugs and lose - temporarily at best - the ability to safely and legally fly where you want to? Maybe the two of us could get together and form a new national hang gliding association to serve pilots as an alternative to USHGA.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/10 16:53:14 UTC

Since we're done presenting our evidence, I'd like to start releasing some of it to the public.

This my own transcript of the 8 minute video. You can correlate this with the photos presented earlier in this topic. I will be publishing the video soon as well. Anything in [brackets] or (parentheses) is my own description of what you would see on the video or what I observed at that time. Some of the words were unintelligible, and have been represented as "...". Some of the words were spoken on top of one another and were separated in a manner that I felt would best preserve their clarity.

This is a bit o' bandwidth just to do a duplicate but it's important enough to merit it.

===
[Video starts zoomed in]
[Gabe Jebb is kiting without a helmet immediately surrounded by 3 students - all wearing helmets]
[video zooms out and Bob moves closer to compensate for the reduced resolution while remaining out of the ring of students]
Gabe (looking at Bob): Just so you guys know, the guy over there in the white shirt [... unintelligible]
Gabe: First of all [... unintelligible]
Gabe: Pull in a lot of brake [... unintelligible]
[Gabe Inflates his paraglider several times]
Gabe: When you pull ...
Gabe (looking at Bob): Bob you gotta get out of here. I'm trying to instruct right now. I don't need you sitting there.
Bob: Um ...
Gabe: Get out of here.
Bob: You should put a helmet on.
Gabe: Get out of here.
Bob: If you're hooked into a glider you're setting a bad example for your students.
Gabe: I don't need you ... telling me to set a bad example. Now I want you to get out of here so I can focus on the students.
Bob: It's a city park. I'm standing here. I am far enough away. I'm not bothering you Gabe.
Gabe: You are bothering me. Your very presence here is bothering me. You're in the way of my students. You're in the way of the other pilots. You need to leave right now ...
Bob (panning the camera both directions showing an open field): I'm not in the way of anybody.
Gabe: ... before I have the police remove you.
Bob: Have the police remove me because I'm not in the way of anybody Gabe. You've had the police here before and they've said I have a right ...
Gabe: [inaudible ...] you want them again ...
Bob: ... I have a right to document what's going on here.
Gabe: [inaudible ...] you have every right in the world ...
Bob: Call them. Call them.
Gabe: Go do it by your hang glider.
Bob: Call them. Call them.
Gabe: Go do it by your hang glider Bob.
Bob: I'm watching you instructing without a helmet. This is a bad example for the students. You should put a helmet on Gabe.
Gabe (removing his harness): Bob, just get out of here. You're in my way. You're in the field. You're a distraction. You're distracting me from them...
Bob: I'm watching how many paces you have taken ...
[Gabe grabs for the camera and hits it]
Bob: Don't touch ... don't put your hand on me. Don't put your hand on ... You just put your hand on me.
Gabe: Get rid of the camera. I didn't give you permission to video me. Get rid of the camera.
Bob: This is a public place and you know I have a right to videotape anything I want to video.
Gabe: Absolutely. From over there. (begins agressive chest butting). From over there. From over there.
Bob: You are far too close.
Bob (backing up): Get away from me! Get away from me!!
Gabe (continuing aggressive chest butting): Get the camera out of my face.
Bob: Get the ...?
Gabe: Over there.
Bob: You walked into this camera, and you say "Get the camera out of your face"? What a joke you are. Come walk into it again and say "Get it out of your face".
Gabe: Get out of here Bob.
Bob: I was standing here. He walks over here ...
Gabe: Bob, Bob, get out of here.
Bob: ... and says "Get the camera out of my face"?
Gabe (slapping at the camera and Bob's hand): Bob, get out of here.
Bob: Don't touch me.
Gabe: Get out of my ...
Bob: You're touching ... you're touching my camera.
Gabe: I'm touching your camera ... I don't need your camera ...
Bob: Yea, we've got you admitting it. You're touching my camera.
Gabe: That's right. Get out of my face Bob. Get out of my face. [shrieking] Bob get out of my face.
(brief silence)
Gabe: Fine. (turns and hits at the camera again)
Bob: Don't touch me. Don't touch me.
Gabe: Get out of here.
Robin (calling out and approaching): Bob. Bob. Put the camera on me. You're harassing people.
Shelby (blue jacket approaching): You're harassing people.
Gabe: You're out of here.
Bob: I am not harassing anybody.
Gabe: Stop harassing me and get the fu** out of here.
Bob: I have a video of the whole thing.
Gabe: Get out of here.
Bob: No. I have a video of the whole thing.
Shelby: You're being a dick.
Bob: I'm standing here watching him kite without a helmet.
Shelby (pointing): Go.
Bob: That's against USHPA regulations.
Robin (approaching): No it's not.
Shelby: It is not.
Bob: Yes it is. Whenever you're hooked into a hang... uh ... paraglider you should have a helmet on and you guys know it.
Gabe (pacing around): There's no regulations against that Bob.
Bob: You know you should have it on.
Gabe (clapping hands): Come on "expert witness".
Bob: You're setting a very bad example to your students.
Gabe: Tell me about the regulations Mr. Expert.
Shelby: He's just being a dick.
Gabe (approaching): Tell me about the regulations.
Shelby: Just ignore him. Just ignore him.
Gabe (approaching very close): What do you know about regulations?
Bob: I know you that ...
Shelby: He's so scared ...
Bob: ... you should be wearing a helmet if you're standing there.
Gabe: And I know that ...
Shelby: He'll knock you out.
Gabe: ... you shouldn't be intimidating students or myself.
Bob: I'm not intimidating. You're came over here intimidating me.
Gabe: Get out of here.
Bob: I'm standing here.
Gabe: Go stand over there Bob.
Bob: I have ... I have ...
Gabe (making contact): Go stand over there.
Bob: Don't touch me!
Gabe: We don't need you here.
Bob: Don't touch me!!
Gabe: I'm not touching you.
Bob: I have signed in. I have a right to be here.
Shelby: No. Not if you're not flying.
Bob: Call the police then. Call the police ...
Shelby: No. You call the police.
Gabe: (unintelligible)
Bob: ... because the police have said I have a right to stand here, and I have a right to videotape what's going on.
Robin (approaching): Stop harassing my instructors.
Bob: I'm not harassing anybody. I'm not harassing anybody.
Robin: You're harassing my instructors.
Bob: You're a liar.
Robin: Bullshit.
Shelby: Get off the field.
Bob: I'm standing here videotaping ...
Shelby: This is an active landing field.
Bob: I'm standing here videotaping the instruction.
Robin: [unintelligible] ... camera.
Shelby: The camera's gonna be somewhere you don't want to be.
Shelby: Just get out. Get out. You're in an active landing area.
Bob: Call the police. Let's not fight here. You call the police. Call the police.
Robin: He's a douchebag.
Bob: Call the police.
Robin: Douchebag.
Shelby: He really is.
Robin: Big douchebag. Go ahead and put that on the City Council Bob. You're a douchebag.
Robin: And City Council, everybody knows it.
Shelby: He's scared to death. He's shaking and s***.
Robin: I know.
Bob: Well you've got three of you guys picking on one guy.
Shelby: Oh, oh. Just you and me. I'm a little guy. Just you and me.
Robin: [unintelligible]
Shelby: I'm a little guy. Hit me.
Bob: Are you threatening me? Are you saying you want to fight?
Shelby: You're saying ... you're acting like three people are threatening you.
Bob: I'm standing here videotaping this and all three of you came up to harass me.
Shelby: I'm an ex law enforcement, and you're way out of line dude. No one said anything...
Bob: Ex law enforcement? Where?
Robin: I'm carrying your hang glider off the property. You're not allowed here anymore.
Shelby: There you go. You've just been 86'ed.
Robin: All you do is come here and harass people. That's all you do.
Shelby: And you're [unintelligible]
Bob: You touch my hang glider and I'm going to call the police.
Shelby: Call them. You tell us to call them. You go call them.
Bob: I will call them right now Robin.
Robin (begins untying Bob's glider): Get your car out of the parking lot ...
Bob: I will call them right now.
Robin: I'm tired of you harassing our instructor staff while they're teaching.
Shelby: Yea, and you're on the landing field without helmets ... [unintelligible]
Bob: Robin you're not authorized to untie my glider. I'm asking you to take your hands off of my glider.
Robin: I'm banning you from the property.
Bob: Take your hands off of my glider.
Robin: No.
Bob: Banning me for what?
Robin: Harassing ... constantly harassing the clients ...
Bob: That's a lie ...
Robin: ... Gabe, us. See ya.
Shelby (obstructing view of Robin untying glider): What's up dude?
Robin: Talk to your lawyer and he'll tell me if you can be back on the property or not.
Bob: I will. I will. Maybe I'll call him right now.
[Camera off target while Bob pulls phone out of pocket and begins to dial a friend to call police]
Shelby (continuing to obstruct view): This is what they do on Black's Beach when when guys are harassing the people that are nude. We just get in your face.
Robin: You make it where people can't teach here 'cause you're constantly harassing ... everybody.
Shelby: What a dick.
Robin: Emails. Everybody with that camera of yours. I watch it.
Bob: I was filming Gabe from as many paces as it took him to get away from me - or to come up to me. And you'll see how many paces that is in the video. And I was not saying a word ...
Shelby: Blah blah blah. You're still being a jerk. You're still trying to pick fights with people.
Robin: [unintelligible]
Shelby: You got right in his face.
Bob: That's a lie. He came right up to me. I have a picture of him walking ... I have a picture of him making the strides. So you're such a liar.
Shelby: Blah Blah Blah. No. You're the liar.
Bob: It's so funny.
Shelby (high pitched voice): You're the liar. What am I? You're a baby.
Bob (calling out to Robin who is walking away from untied glider): Robin, if you leave this glider untied and it blows away ...
Shelby (waving hands in Bob's face): Oh fu** you. Shut up. Just shut up.
Bob: ... Robin if you leave this glider tied up - untied, and it blows away and causes an accident, you're responsible.
Bob (to Shelby): And I don't know who the hell you are, but you're really ...
Shelby: What? What? What? What am I? Come on. Get mad. Hit me.
Bob: ... really ...
Shelby: You've already threatened me over there.
Bob: I didn't hit you.
Shelby: Yea you did.
Bob (finally getting a response from phone call): Hello. Hey, um, I've got a problem here at the Gliderport. Um, Robin has actually taken my glider and untied it....
Shelby: No no no. No one has touched your stuff. No no no.
Bob (to Shelby): You're the liar. I have a picture of it.
Shelby: You're the liar. You've threatened three instructors.
Bob (to phone): He's untied it and he says he's throwing me out. And he's actually untied my glider and untied it. Would you please call the police and ask them to come here? Please? Right now?
Shelby: They asked you to leave the premises sir.
Bob: ... I wouldn't do 911 ...
Shelby: ... Sir, they asked you to leave the premises ...
Bob: ... but just, but just call the regular number and say that there's a problem at the Gliderport.
Shelby: You're in an unauthorized area.
Bob: Someone's being threatened...
Shelby: Sir you need to get off.
Bob: ... I have a video of it all ...
Shelby: You need to get off the premises.
Bob: That would be super. Thank you very much. Bye.
Shelby: What? What?
Bob: No comment.
Bob: Gabe is still down there kiting without a helmet ...
Shelby: He can do whatever he wants. He's a [unintelligible] instructor.
Bob: ... and my ...
Shelby (walking away): [unintelligible]
Bob: I would like my glider retied.
Shelby (making a "crazy" sign): Coo Coo, Coo Coo. You're really Coo Coo.
Bob: I'm going to retie it.
[Video turned off]

Two items that need fixing, Bob:
- "agressive"
- "when when"

Warren Narron - 2015/02/10 17:03:42 UTC

Wow

The ~art~ of patience: art of deferred action, withholding immediate gratification, waiting when you have the choice

I can't do chest bumps with idiots.
That's the reason I never went to 'Jim Gaar's flightpark'
and have not flown for over a decade.

Good job, Bob.
I couldn't have done it.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/02/10 17:21:37 UTC

Thanks Warren.

I don't know the situation with you and Jim...

You should.

...but I do know that USHPA has not stood up for pilots in this case.

And you never gave a flying fuck that EXACTLY the same thing was done to me by Ridgely and the pieces of shit running CHGA - and, of course, USHGA. You just gave me advice on...

http://www.kitestrings.org/post653.html#p653

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/08/10 05:52:32 UTC

Take Jim Rooney, for example. Tad doesn't make suggestions for Jim to become a better or safer pilot. Instead, Tad just calls him names and expresses his wishes that Jim were dead.

...how to make Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney a better and safer pilot. So how'd that work out when you were attempting to make Gabe a better and safer instructor?

The fact that USHPA's lawyer - who should be standing up for pilots - was sitting on the other side is further evidence that they are no longer a pilot's association.

On the other hand... Those guys WERE...

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Bob Kuczewski - 2013/03/10 18:20:34 UTC

I first learned about Tad Eareckson when I was Regional Director and the USHPA Board circulated a letter he had written (with intention to send?) to the FAA about some dangerous practices in hang gliding.

The Board's knee-jerk response was to try to take some kind of legal action to silence Tad. I indicated that I thought we shouldn't be sending our lawyers in as our first response, and that maybe we should have someone talk with him first. So Dennis Pagen volunteered, and I believe the matter was settled without any serious damage to the sport.

...able to prevent me from doing serious damage to the sport and preserve all of its time honored and cherished dangerous practices. So they're not ALL bad.