http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/09 18:30:26 UTC
Davis Straub - 2013/02/09 16:45:39 UTC
I can't see how the weaklink has anything to do with this accident.
Because it's one of those crusty old debates that HGs love to go round and round with.
Yeah, all us subhuman HG dolts just inherently lack the Keen Intellects necessary to really comprehend issues like weak links, releases, and pro toads.
It's like uttering the word "wheels"... the conversation instantly turns into the great wheel debate.
Which is totally ridiculous because this hang glider landing issue is so clear-cut, simple, easy. I mean, you've already written volumes on this and it's absolutely dumbfounding why everybody can't get it and stop crashing, breaking arms, and ripping shoulders apart.
Sorry for the interruption.
No, that's OK. It's always an honor and a privilege for us to hear anything you have to say on any issue.
Please continue with the speculation.
Couldn't you please just clear it up for us? There are actually a few people beginning to think that his Rooney Link might have had some significance here - and that's TOTALLY ridiculous because the Rooney Link is a proven system that works and has a track record quite literally HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of tows long.
I'll be over here, doing something productive.
So have you finished jerking off yet? I'm assuming that's what you're talking about 'cause that's about the only thing I can think of that should take priority over getting to some kind of conclusion about why this skygod buddy of yours launched on a so-so thermal afternoon and was DOA a short time later at the hospital.
Look at who we've got here:
Paul and Lauren Tjaden, Gerry Grossnegger, Marc Fink, Davis Straub, Jim Rooney, Mark Frutiger, Bart Weghorst, William Olive, Jim Gaar, Bill Cummings, Brad Gryder, Quinn Cromwell...
Tow park operators, eminently qualified tandem pilots, hang gliding forum administrators, tow manual editors, safety officers, world record holders, keen intellectuals, tug pilots, eyewitnesses, test pilots, towing pioneers, frozen slush experts...
Where else are ya gonna find that much talent and expertise all in one place? And yet we don't seem to be able to reach ANY kind of explanation or viable hypothesis regarding what the critical issues were here.
Yeah, we were going pretty fast, it was pretty dark, there were lotsa icebergs floating around, we rubbed up against one a little bit... But who's to really say?
This is all just baseless speculation from the kinds of trolls who come out of the woodwork when something like this happens and use it to say "See, this proves our point. If people would just reduce speed at night when they get reports of ice fields ahead we'd average much better outcomes. In fact if you look at the available data you'll see that there is no record of anyone who's slowed to twelve knots having a similar problem."
This, in spite of not having been there and only having second hand information to make this point. If you believe that fine, knock yourself out, but don't use BS like "This wouldn't have happened if only you had listened to me."
I have zero respect for those who are using a tragedy to push their twisted agendas, particularly when there is no proven link between their points and this accident.
So here we are, a wee bit short of three weeks later, no closer to a viable explanation, and the conversation is shifting as it ALWAYS DOES to the best kind of lifejacket to use for plunging into freezing ocean waters when the ship goes down in some kind of freak accident that no one can ever explain - let alone predict or prevent.
And I'm wondering this, Jim...
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/25 04:55:25 UTC
Ksykes
Ditto dude.
It always amazes to hear know it all pilots arguing with the professional pilots.
I mean seriously, this is our job.
We do more tows in a day than they do in a month (year for most).
We *might* have an idea of how this stuff works.
They *might* do well to listen.
Not that they will, mind you... cuz they *know*.
I mean seriously... ridgerodent's going to inform me as to what Kroop has to say on this? Seriously? Steve's a good friend of mine. I've worked at Quest with him. We've had this discussion ... IN PERSON. And many other ones that get misunderstood by the general public. It's laughable.
Don't even get me started on Tad. That obnoxious blow hard has gotten himself banned from every flying site that he used to visit... he doesn't fly anymore... because he has no where to fly. His theories were annoying at best and downright dangerous most of the time. Good riddance.
So, argue all you like.
I don't care.
I've been through all these arguments a million times... this is my job.
I could be more political about it, but screw it... I'm not in the mood to put up with tender sensibilities... Some weekend warrior isn't about to inform me about jack sh*t when it comes to towing. I've got thousands upon thousands of tows under my belt. I don't know everything, but I'll wager the house that I've got it sussed a bit better than an armchair warrior.
If you professional tug pilot motherfuckers are so goddam good at sussing out this standard aerotow weak link issue how come y'all so totally suck at getting ANY of the back end guys to understand it? Could it be, perhaps, that they're the ones getting crashed, injured, killed while you're starting your turns back to the runways?
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Good luck if it does. No 911 calls allowed. My friend was lucky, the nurse on hand convinced the owner not to move him, this after he snatched and threw her phone away. 