http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2014
To tow or not to tow - that is the question
Brian Scharp - 2015/07/21 00:34:20 UTC
Wow Brian. That's a copy of the entire archive in one post. That was a lotta bandwidth even for here and even spread out over ten posts.
Not for most of those assholes to participate in.
Frank Colver - 2015/07/21 03:16:40 UTC
Please forgive what is probably a stupid question.
I'm pretty sure you'll get unlimited forgiveness by that crowd for stupid questions.
I have never been towed in a hang glider...
Beats the crap outta being towed...
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...not in a hang glider.
...and don't intend to be towed...
Course not. Way too complicated and dangerous. Just look what just happened to Zack Marzec, Kevin O'Brien, Joe Julik, Kelly Harrison, and Bertrand Delacroix. Chris Muller and Paul Vernon didn't exactly come out smelling like roses neither.
...so maybe I'm missing something obvious.
Well duh. You've never been towed in a hang glider and never intend to be towed. So how could you possibly understand any obvious stuff?
Why didn't the tow operator release the line at his end when he saw that it wasn't being released at the glider end?
Why don't you use the links in Brian's post and check out the source material instead of asking for stupid questions to be answered by other Bob Show total morons?
Yeah, he was too lazy and stupid to check them out when you handed them to him at the beginning of your last post - and, for that matter, two years ago when this stuff was buzzing all over the web - but now...
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/07/21 05:47:35 UTC
For the record, I've gotten the following private message about Brian's reposting from Tad Eareckson's site:
Allow only the link or you are asking for trouble.
Brian should be allowed to discuss this all he wants in his own words.
And nothing is preventing him or others from posting on TE's site.
But don't bring his site over here or you will run off some people.
Rick Masters.
Hey Bob, that's really cool the way you have your little rule you pulled out of your ass about needing to reveal your actual identity when you attack other members and then get around it by posting anonymous attacks on other members sent to you via personal message.
No, wait. You decided Tad wouldn't be a member any more back at the end of 2011. And besides, that rule never applied to the cowardly anonymous Bob Show motherfuckers attacking Tad while he was on and having his free speech really honored. Carry on.
I suspect the private message is correct.
Me too. Cowardly anonymous backstabbers operating out of public view are almost always correct about everything. And besides, who can forget the huge surges in participation The Bob Show enjoyed when Bob experimented on Tad by locking him down in his Basement and shortly thereafter banning him to make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit?
And if the private message IS, in fact, correct, the some people who will be run off by free speech exercise of posting quotes of Tad's material are EXACTLY the kind of people who are gonna be most valuable in helping you build your new hang gliding association - Scott C. Wise and Peter Birren, for example.
And obviously/logically the kinds of people Tad is gonna ATTRACT to The Bob Show, like the ones he brought over in 2011, are definitely NOT the kinds of people you want helping you build and being members of your new hang gliding association.
However, this should be a matter for the Board to consider and debate.
1. You sure they'll be able to fit it in to their already tightly packed agenda? They still haven't been able to find the time to rubber-stamp Emperor Bob's wise decision to eliminate the unrepentant child molester to make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.
2. Well ya gotta admit, Bob, that you went a bit nuts with THIS:
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions
What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.
honoring of free speech of members thing. EVERYBODY agrees that there need to be reasonable limits - can't have people like Jim Gaar and Peter Birren being called motherfuckers, for example. So just put something in the SOPs to clarify the actual intent and policy. This template:
http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
HangGliding.Org Rules and Policies
No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.
work pretty good for ya? Explain to me how that's not EXACTLY the policy you're considering implementing.
I'm not sure where I would stand in that debate.
I am. You'll stand wherever you think will best serve to get Emperor Bob what Emperor Bob wants. And fuck any pretense of rules, principles, respect for individual rights and freedoms.
Myself on the other hand... I don't have much trouble figuring out where I'm gonna be standing on any debates relevant to this sport and its conduct. Just about everything is pretty fuckin' simple and black and white. Even with you. You've got two distinct modes that look like they're selected with a toggle switch:
- principled - like when you're going after Gliderport/u$hPa sleaze, abuse, corruption
- sleaze - like when you're feigning giving a rat's ass about the safety of people of varying ages and going after Tad, Robin, Max
Brain dead easy calls.
As time passes, I've been considering the roles of forums and speech in hang gliding.
1. Fix the sentence, Bob. Needs to start off "As time HAS PASSED..." Twenty-two days shy of five years now that you've been running your dictatorship posing as a democratic Utopia. Half a decade in which not one of your most trusted cocksuckers has been entrusted with a dust particle's worth of control. Not one Fake Board of Directors member has even had the opportunity to cast a Fake vote to rubber-stamp your decision to silence the unrepentant child molester. Out here in the actual democracy people cast votes that actually count to do whatever insane, unconstitutional, vicious, draconian bullshit they feel like to unrepentant child molesters. (I really get a kick out of it when their own kids get bitten in the ass by all the unintended consequences.)
2. We know EXACTLY how you've considered the roles of forums and speech in hang gliding. We've watched what you've actually been doing and compared to what you've been saying.
It's clear that being banned from a relatively small site (like Tad's forum or even the US Hawks) does not do much damage to the person being banned.
Well yeah, it's really clear to you so therefore it's really clear to everyone else - seeing as how Emperor Bob's vote is the only one that ever counts for anything.
Fuck you, Bob. You don't tell me I'm not good enough to participate alongside scum like Sam Kellner, Charlie Schneider, Peter Birren and total fucking assholes like Scott C. Wise and Rick Masters and then issue edicts about how much damage vile assaults on First Amendment freedoms don't do.
If you'd actually stood behind any of the values you perpetually lie your ass off about having that alternate association would've represented a theoretical hope for me to resume the flying career cowardly shits just like - and, in fact, INCLUDING - you turned to toast at the beginning of the 2009 season.
Furthermore... Being banned from or admitted to Kite Strings is a huge fucking deal 'cause it's the most lethal forum on the planet - the only one in which integrity is valued and mandated. Two plus two is always equal to four and anybody with and/or respecting another opinion on the issue either doesn't get in or is gone immediately after expressing that opinion anywhere. It was made crystal clear in the first post here - Zack's, not mine - that Kite Strings does NOT really honor the free speech of any asshole capable of entering a username and password.
But being banned from a major site (like hanggliding.org)...
The Jack and Davis shows are corrupt lunatic colonies and mutual masturbation societies. Being banned from them can almost always be regarded as badges of integrity. One always hears the admonition to not feed the troll when a two-plus-two-equals-fourer starts doing significant damage. The Jack and Davis Shows are in fact themselves megatrolls. Those motherfuckers did me favors by banning me. Now all my posts translate to hits for Kite Strings and I still get referenced on the intellectually castrated troll colonies.
...or from one's ability to fly (like USHPA) is a much greater injustice due to the virtual monopolies that they each hold.
See my note above - asshole.
It doesn't bother me one bit that Tad banned me...
Course not. Your participation here was limited to sabotage and posting Homosexual-Relationship-With-A-12-Year-Old-Boy spam. You've still got The Bob Show and Grebloville where you can do that.
...and I could easily live the rest of my life without posting there.
And fuck, what would you have...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny
Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 00:52:29 UTC
The Hawks has no product. There is no there, there.
...to contribute anyway?
I hope he feels the same about the US Hawks.
Yeah Bob, I have ZERO desire to further dignify your dump with my credibility. But don't make the mistake of thinking for a nanosecond that I've stopped seething with anger over the despicable sleazy treatment I got from you while I was there and have continued to get while I haven't been.
Both of us are working for causes that we believe in, and that's as it should be.
One of us is - EFFECTIVELY. You're such a scheming pathological liar and are so unwrapped that you have no ability to really know what you believe in. And you've engineered your project such that it has ZERO possibility of becoming what you claim to believe in.
It's a complete waste of time for either of us to be sniping at each other, and it's counter productive to our stated goals.
Waste of your time. My stated goal...
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/07/11 18:16:54 UTC
I just wanted to offer a general thanks for all of the information that you capture and preserve on your site. I find it to be a helpful reference when all else fails.
...is a living, breathing, effective reality in progress. And while we're on the subject - name another forum at which you've been dealt with entirely fairly in your conflicts with Torrey and u$hPa.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41619
Goodbye Bob K?
Andrew Vanis - 2015/04/19 00:25:35 UTC
Just how are we supposed to talk with other interested USHPA members?
I am hopeful that Brian's motivation for posting was positive, and I'll look at it from that perspective.
Why should you give a flying fuck about Brian's motivation? He posted a copy of an incident archive with very little in the way of editorializing from T** at K*** S******.
The US Hawks is much like the early United States.
No it's not. The early United States were NEVER dictatorships.
Many of the people who've found there way to this site have had their fill of "kingdoms" from the "old world".
1. You only spelled "their" right once.
2. So they came to something even worse.
Indeed, many of us have been banned from those "old world" sites because we refused to bow to the powers that controlled them.
You mean the way T** at K*** S****** was when he refused to bow to the power - singular - that controlled The Bob Show? No, wait. That was to make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit. (Not withstanding the plug for
Bill Cosby as a national hero for trying to save so many wasted lives.)
And it's fair to say that just as with the early settlers of the US, many of us are staunch individualists and are not often willing to yield our personal sovereignty to others.
Bullshit. Humans are some of the most social and socially dependent animals on the planet. Aviation exploded at the beginning of the previous century 'cause Wilbur and Orville figured out what two plus two equals and there were no other opinions on the issue amongst the people who started putting actual planes into the actual air. Today we have free flight hang glider designs all over the planet and there's not a dime's worth of difference between any of them within the various performance classes.
As with the early US, this makes us a very strong group of people ...
Fuckin' train wreck in constant progress.
...if we can figure out how to work together.
I suggest we endorse Bob's wise decision to exclude staunch individualist unrepentant child molesters and write some SOPs to make the policy official. Who's with me? I mean besides all the closet child molesters rushing to act in efforts to minimize suspicions regarding their own identities and skeletons? That goes without saying.
I often see my job as trying to do the best I can to bring together the talented and individualistic people who will build a great new hang gliding organization.
Fuckin' awesome job you're doing there, Bob. Keep bringing them together and getting them on the right page and one of these years you might be able to trust one or two of them to vote for something you've determined that they want - like Bob for lifetime President, Speaker of the House, and Chief and Only Justice of the Supreme Court. Shouldn't be much of a problem with all those talented and individualistic assholes you have assembled over there - particularly the ones who see Emperor Bob as the only person talented and individualistic enough to lead them out of their desert.
In that regard, I consider it as my own failure that I was not able to harness Tad's energies to improve the sport of hang gliding here within the US Hawks.
What the hell, Bob. You've succeeded in ways you can't even imagine harnessing Tad's energies to improve the sport of hang gliding - just not there in the US Hawks. Dr. Trisa Tilletti, Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney, Davis Dead-On Straub, Jack Axaopoulos have been important motivators as well.
I hope I can do better with some of our other detractors.
Oh please don't give up on me, Bob! I could really surprise you. Ya never really know fer sure. And if you succeed at any level with me just think what you'll be able to accomplish with a typical u$hPa Board member.
