http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5075
Shall We Ban Bob K from the SHGA Forum?
NMERider - 2016/01/21 03:58:58 UTC
The above statement is filled with falsehoods and personal attacks in direct violation of Sylmar forum rules.
Where are they? And if they exist why was zero effort at enforcement made back at:
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson
I have never landed in a prison. I have never dropped a burning canister from my glider onto flammable brush. I have a well-established ability to think through the logical consequences of my statements my flying choices.
For the above reasons alone I believe it would be in the best interest of the SHGA to remove BobK from the forum before he expands his personal attacks, falsehoods and vitriol onto more members of the community. It's disgraceful for the club to permit such an individual to participate here. This is not a public park. This forum is not public property.
Maybe you can get him for plagiarism, Bob. Sounds so very much like the stuff you and your Dedicated Bob Show Sycophants were saying about me.
Bob Kuczewski - 2016/01/21 04:01:02 UTC
I have been a member of the SHGA on and off since 2004. Since I live in San Diego, there have been lapses in my membership from time to time, but as far as I know the Sylmar Forum does not remove members just because they are not current. If the SHGA wants to establish such a policy, then it should be enforced for everyone. I would discourage such a policy since it further fragments an already small group of pilots.
Cool.
This call for my removal is very much like a lynch mob, and it's motivated by some of the worst aspects of human behavior.
While what you motherfuckers did to me four years ago was so very noble.
It reminds me of the Salem Witch trials where hysteria ran unchecked in a small community ... and they put people to death.
Oh do tell me about it, Bob.
That's the DNA that lives in each human being and it can only be overcome with the calm rational thinking demonstrated by Chip, Bob B, and TomS. Thanks to each of you.
Bob Kuczewski - 2016/01/21 04:14:46 UTC
I assume I'm speaking with Jonathan Deytch also known as NMERider.
1. Duh.
2. And don't bother getting his name spelled right.
Please correct me if that's not true, and I will swiftly apologize for my mistake.
I didn't say "onto flammable brush". I said "over flammable brush". I am referring to the video of your burning smoke canister coming loose and dropping from your glider as you flew from Crestline launch to do aerobatics over the LZ. Does that help your memory?
Not as much as it would if you posted the link to the video.
I am referring to a video where you recently flew along the Crestline ridge and landed in a closed, gated, and guarded facility which I believe was either a prison or some other form of correctional facility. Does that help your memory?
See above.
Neither of those are personal attacks. They are simply a recounting of the actions of someone I've known as Jonathan Deytch. If that's not you, then please accept my apology.
NMERider - 2016/01/21 04:30:32 UTC
You made false and misleading statements against a member of this forum.
1. How 'bout the videos, Jonathan?
2. Why the fuck should it matter whether or not false and misleading statements are made against a member of some stupid glider forum? The obvious implication is that it's totally OK to make false and misleading statements against anyone who ISN'T a member of some stupid glider forum. And hell, whenever you wanna make false and misleading statements against a member of a stupid glider forum just arbitrarily ban him first. No problem then. Go ahead and gang rape him.
You did so in the course of executing a personal attack. You need to be removed.
So show me the legitimate process you have in place for removing people. Got any provisions for rights and protections of a targeted individual? Or is it just whatever any lynch mob feels like doing?
Orion Price - 2016/01/21 04:46:36 UTC
Speaking of false and misleading statements, personal attacks, blindingly obvious outrageous lies. Anybody who tolerates this motherfucker in his midst has ZERO moral authority to say ANYTHING.
1. It's inevitable. He can't stop what's he's doing.
Hanggilding.org BANNED
Paraglidingforum.com BANNED
ozreport.com BANNED
crestlinesoaring.org BANNED
1. So if somebody's been banned from other forums it's a no brainer that he should also be banned from whichever one he's participating at the moment.
2. Kite Strings is the only forum from which Bob's been LEGITIMATELY banned. And it's also the only one from which he's been unbanned to restore the full access he had with his original account. I have requested that he not post here but all of his relevant statements get quoted and fully responded to.
They all tried to work with him.
Wonderful tolerant patient individuals every one.
To the effect: "Bob it's cool to have your opinion, just tone it down."
Yeah, just like in the US Constitution. Freedom of speech - just keep it toned down to a level that everyone's happy with.
His response is something like you see on shga "Everyone is out to get me, Rosa Parks, 1st amendment rights, GO USA."
Suck my dick, pigfucker.
2. He hasn't been silenced. He just keeps running his same record. We've heard all your bullshit. Talk about something else.
Like Tad electing to have his testicles removed. That just never gets old. Maybe throw in something about Tad's mom electing to have one of her breasts removed.
3. He boots kooks off his forum.
Tad isn't a Grebloville member so it's totally OK for him to make personal attacks unchallenged - right Jonathan?
So his arguments here are pretty funny. It's only free speech when it's his. Why can't we also boot kooks as well.
Bob didn't boot a kook. Bob booted an unrepentant child molester to make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit. And it was obviously the right decision - in the four plus years since The Purification not one single visiting person of a varying age has been raped and murdered. So let's hear it for Emperor Bob.
And it's REAL TELLING, OP, that with all the crap you've flung at me at every opportunity you've consistently treated that issue like plutonium. Please tell us why you're not playing this very obvious card that scumbags like Davis Straub, Jim Rooney, Bob Kuczewski, Sam Kellner, Paul Hurless, Brad Barkley have had so much fun with.
In this clip bob is explaining why people like him need treatment and not ejection from USHPA.
You aligned yourself with this motherfucker against me when it was convenient and now you're getting from him EXACTLY what you deserve.
Bob Kuczewski - 2016/01/21 06:53:57 UTC
By the way, it appears that - purely coincidentally and just today - the Sylmar forum now has 2 new members named:
aoeuaoeu
ueoaueoa
I didn't create them and I don't know who did, but I suspect they were created to cast "votes" in this poll. Maybe the moderator can match IP addresses to see who they might really be.
Obvious sock puppets - like Bob Show Nobody.
Regardless of who they really are, they do highlight the fact that any poll on a forum - especially a forum where anyone can register - is neither scientific nor reliable nor worthy of any action against a real person.
Versus:
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/15 01:26:02 UTC
Re: Peaceful Coexistence
Tad,
After our last conversation which I've documented below for my own memory, I've decided that I don't want you on the US Hawks forum any longer. Period. I'll take the lumps for banning you if that's what it takes.
and then cowering behind THIS:
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/12/29 03:27:48 UTC
Your response to essentially reactivate your account is something I won't do without the approval of the Board.
bullshit.
I'm not against people using fake names to conceal their identity from all the identity thieves out there...
That is NEVER why anybody uses a fake name on a glider forum.
...but on our forum we...
Meaning Emperor Bob.
...have a rule that people cannot attack others without confirming who they really are.
1. Unless the other is Tad. Then it's open season.
2. Show me the archives in which this rule WE have on OUR forum was proposed, discussed, and voted into policy.
It cuts down on the sock puppets...
Yeah Bob. You have fewer sock puppets than you would have if our forum didn't have that rule.
...and drive by snipers ... not to mention the voter fraud.
Also not to mention the fact that the only Bob Show member who has a vote that actually counts for anything is Emperor Bob.
hnsotshga@hotmail.com - 2016/01/21 07:23:06 UTC
Joined: 2016/01/21
Posts: 1
you need to be careful about which of the voices you are going to listen too.
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I SEE THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE!
Bob Kuczewski - 2016/01/21 16:20:25 UTC
Bob Bendetson - 2016/01/20 18:58:47 UTC
...the nastiness and name-calling in the threads always seem to come from our side, not Bob's.
Thanks Bob. The nastiness that you mention now includes use of my likeness (video frame in this case) in a defamatory manner.
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson
Orion Price - 2013/03/11 15:12:28 UTC
Final bit of troll food, I read about Tad's reputation this morning.
Tad Eareckson is a generally discounted crackpot and internet troll. He doesn't fly and has been perma-banned from most everywhere: .org, oz report and all the local club websites with discussion forums like ours.
He has two main speaking points. 1. All HG landings should be done prone as belly landings using wheels. All other foot landings are suicidal, he will say. He schadenfreudes hard at our accidents and especially fatalities 2. He is a self proclaimed "engineer" and inventor of Rube Goldberg tow bridles. As you can see his elegant designs are a huge commercial success sweeping the industry. His explanation of how his bridles work indicated he doesn't have any education on the subject.
His situation reminds me of a tragedy of a family friend. As began to loose his edge, he proportionality wanted to write people weirder and weirder letters. Newspaper editors, distant relatives, and especially the government would receive long rants pointing out his intelligence and schadenfreuding over their failures. Eventually his internet usage had to be monitored, and his snail-mail letters "mailed" by someone else. The failure mode exhibited here is nearly identical.
Fuck you, Bob.
As Chip has pointted out, anyone not wanting to read my posts can use the "ignore" button.
Let me point out that anyone who needs an "ignore" button to be able to not read something he doesn't wanna read is a total douchebag.
Jonathan's continued call for my ban isn't about what he doesn't want to read. It's about what Jonathan doesn't want anyone else to read.
But Emperor Bob's extrajudicial banning of Tad most certainly wasn't because Bob wanted to silence a dissenting voice upsetting his cult members...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1701
Complaints about Tad
Rick Masters - 2015/01/16 18:59:15 UTC
He has concerns about people trying to muck up the forum, but he has also dealt effectively with Tad.
It was all about making The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.
Steve Murillo - 2016/01/21 20:55:02 UTC
Manhattan Beach
Bob K
Please ban Bob. He's exhausting. We've heard it all before. We don't need to hear (read) it anymore. Please.
Then "WE" don't really need to make the deliberate effort to hear (read) it anymore do "WE", dickhead?
the bob show - 2016/01/21 21:21:26 UTC
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5034
USHPA mailer re: donations for RRG
NMERider - 2015/12/20 04:44:45 UTC
Tad's Bob Show forum topic isn't devoted to tearing you down, Bob...
Joined: 2016/01/21
Posts: 1
i keep changing the channel (click) but the story is the same everywhere i go (click), bobk this, bobk that (click). what evil the USHPA is (click), just what part of bobk do we not understand.
(click) (click) (click).... DAMN!
1. Bull fucking shit.
2. Your anonymous post here being a prime example.
3. Try another medium - asshole.
Jim Shaw - 2016/01/21 22:11:23 UTC
That being said I am with TomS. We live the ol' U S of A, freedom of speech and all. Let's keep it this way here on our forum as well. Bob is already regulated to the political topics and now can be disinherited individually as well, thanks to Chip's efforts.
BTW, haven't y'all learned that the best way to have something go away is to ignore it? Some of you are guilty as sin in egging Bob on. And now you want him banned?
Bob K, I am sticking up for you to keep your freedom of speech here on this forum.
So far...
I just wish you will realize this one fact and maybe it will change your insistent behavior (and just maybe we can get back to the old Bob?). Hear me Bob...I, for one, and I am sure I am in the great majority, just want to go flying and having fun with my flying buds. And I just want it to be as easy an experience of doing so as possible. This is an escape from my other world of responsibilities, family obligations, worldly problems, etc. Bob, heed my words. Allow me, and quite possibly the great majority of us pilots, escape from our already overburdened normal life without having to reject you too, with a button or worse!
Totally fucking clueless.
Jim Shaw - 79677 - H4 - 2005/07/21 - Joe Greblo - AT FL RLF TUR
Bob Kuczewski - 2016/01/22 05:24:32 UTC
Jim, your kind and steady nature shines well in your words. Thanks!!!
I am the same "old Bob" that you knew long ago.
No shit. And always will be.
But we have lived in different worlds these past 10 years. I would love to have lived in the land of Sylmar. I'm sure you've got politics there, but from what I've seen everyone shares the love of flight, and that supersedes everything else.
And all we really need for hang gliding is love of flight. Fuck competence.
Unfortunately, I haven't lived in the land of Sylmar. I've lived in the land of Torrey. Torrey isn't run by a club where pilots can exercise democratic control. Torrey is run by a "concessionaire" and that has resulted in a completely different experience than my friends at Sylmar have known. USHPA has supported the concessionaire model over the club model at Torrey, and I believe that has resulted in a number of accidents that ended up contributing to (if not defining) our insurance fiasco.
And Bob's backyard is the only backyard that Bob gives a flying fuck about.
The good news is that Ken has agreed to meet with myself and hopefully other pilots to at least discuss a number of these and other problems. We're going to combine it with a fun day of flying at Dockweiler this coming Sunday. I hope you and all the great pilots at Sylmar will join us. I will, of course, want to discuss some issues specific to my expulsion, but I'm sure there will be time for lots of other topics as well.
The bottom line is simple. If you want to see the "old Bob" ... see him in the air.
Getting hard for me to remember the time that I flew.
Greg Kendall - 2016/01/22 06:42:04 UTC
I actually think that Bob shouldn't be banned from the forum, though I wouldn't object to limiting the amount of his posting some how.
Just a moderate amount of censorship for special individuals.
If he hasn't made his point by now, volumes more won't change that.
Right. Now let's have another discussion about perfecting one's flare timing.
I don't approve of most of what he says, but I will defend with 5 minutes of my spare time his right to say it.
Yeah, more than that and you might get into issues in which principles come into play.
Steve D - 2016/01/22 07:11:37 UTC
Martin Luther King, Jr.
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."
