The Bob Show

[Tad Eareckson]

Oh wow, Bob! You're posting over here on Kite Strings! That must mean YOU restored MY Bob Show access! Wait a minute while I go back over there and log in to make sure...

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Oh. Guess not. And I think the response needs a little work. Change the "a" to "the".

You're not supposed to be posting over here, Bob. The deal was that I'd restore your full unrestricted member access - complete with Personal Messaging privileges - and that you wouldn't post. And no reciprocation required and no other strings. And here we are and I don't know what I'm gonna do about it just yet. (Possibly nothing.)

There are many people who want to reform the sport...

1. And have. For example... Davis Dead-On Straub, Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney, Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight have totally gutted all the equipment standards to which USHGA agreed to adhere...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=822
US Hawks Hook-In Verification Poll

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/11/04 15:17:15 UTC

You've had a platform here to make a pretty good case, and I think I'd prefer a straight pin myself. However, I do feel that the BIG DEAL you make about the differences is somewhat overblown.

...in order to obtain its aerotowing exemption the better part of 33 years ago. So we don't use stuff that has load capacity. We use stuff that's "appropriate" by virtue of long track records. And our gliders nose down and roll right when Newtonian physics and YouTube videos predict they'll nose up and roll left in response to various applied forces.

2. Virtually all the people who want to reform the sport FOR THE BETTER are already here. If I come across somebody who's been in the sport for more than a half hour or so I'm gonna be pretty comfortable telling him to go fuck himself. He's either too goddam:
- stupid to ever understand that there's no such thing as an easily reachable release
- sleazy and/or gutless to take anything along the lines of a stand against any of this mountain of evil shit
- some combination of the above

http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2467
weak links

Marc Fink - 2007/07/23 11:14:35 UTC

He has also insulted the integrity of several professional instructors and implied that they are deliberately putting students at risks.

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http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2467
weak links

Marc Fink - 2007/05/19 12:58:31 UTC

A 400lb load limit for a solo tow is absurd.

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I won those battles, Bob. And I was pretty much the only one from this neck of the planet calling bullshit bullshit when calling bullshit bullshit wasn't cool.

And Highland Aerosports...

http://aerosports.net/Assets/Images/milehigh.jpg

http://aerosports.net/Assets/Images/wingoversun.JPG

http://aerosports.net/Assets/Images/groundskim.jpg


...was to Tad what Air California Adventure, Inc. is to Bob. And Highland Aerosports - which was the greatest hang gliding resource the Mid Atlantic region ever had or will have - is about as dead and gone as if it and the sleazy motherfuckers running it had been napalmed.

(Look where the spreader bar is in that last shot ferchrisake. (Just noticed it.) The fuckin' manufacturer has no fuckin' clue what the spreader is supposed to do and how it's supposed to function. He just knows he's supposed to have one for kingpost suspension. (Refreshing to see somebody in flying configuration near the surface anyway.))

You've alienated almost all of them ...

Oh crap! Whom have I missed? (Seems like this job will NEVER end sometimes.)

USHPA's monopoly is at the heart of the problem.

Nah, commercial control of what was supposed to be recreational aviation is the problem. And that's been fully incorporated in the sport's DNA for most of its existence. You could nuke Colorado Springs this afternoon and there wouldn't be enough difference to be worth mentioning by the weekend.

... making the job that much harder.

What job? Tell me what the goals of these entities are and I'll respond appropriately.

You won't reform the sport until that monopoly grip is loosened.

I won't reform the sport into a legitimate flavor of aviation no matter what I do. It's a major dickhead magnet and that DNA is gonna supplant any viable trace of the Wilbur and Orville stuff it needs.

Every time you fire a shot at any USHPA competitor, you also shoot your self (and your goal of reform) in the foot.

1. What part of:

"We" now understand why things are like they are and that reform on any significant scale is not a possibility.

are you having so much trouble understanding?

2. Anything I had left to lose in this sport I lost eight and a half years ago. And that made me really dangerous to the motherfuckers trying to control this shit and they know it. Getting banned from the Jack, Davis, and Bob Shows doesn't slow me down from being "poison to this sport" in the least. I'm WAY more poisonous here than I ever was on any of those dumps.

There's nothing that makes the USHPA insiders happier than seeing their critics fighting among themselves.

They're being remarkably quiet about it if they are. And I'll tell ya from long experience that these motherfuckers really suck at being quiet about critical issues. And lotsa times the silence itself is remarkably conspicuous. Like for example:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2429
Torrey Hawks Second Sunday - April 10th, 2016

Bob Kuczewski - 2016/04/11 16:24:32 UTC

One person just called U$HPA asking about whether Max Marien ever had his rating suspended and was told that his rating was never suspended. Yet I was told that Max had his tandem rating suspended or revoked based on that incident.

There's clearly something fishy going on here.

For those who haven't followed this closely, Max Marien and Brad Geary were both flying child passengers while they were engaging in a variety of dangerous stunts at Torrey Pines. These stunts included contact in mid-air between the two paragliders flown by Max Marien and Brad Geary while carrying child passengers. The stunts also included stepping on the top of the other wing and pulling down on the leading edge lines nearly inducing a frontal collapse. It's all documented on video, and you can see still images from that video here:

[Link Removed Pending Establishment of Fair Use]

This video would never have been known to anyone if it didn't also happen to catch the collision between two paragliding students and ended up being part of the evidence in the resulting lawsuit. It was my own participation in that lawsuit that caused USHPA to expel me because they continue to protect the grossly negligent behavior at that site.

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic83.html

I never heard anything from anybody directly.

Your posting of the Brad Geary frames, on the other hand, was excellent.

Pity I'm so crappy at most other stuff.

Thanks for making that major effort.

And thanks for using those frames at the San Diego City Council meetings to misrepresent what was going on during that flight in your war against ACA.

Oh well, a Google image search for:

paragliding "Brad Geary"

quickly and easily gets the genuinely interested party to the accurate and unbiased portrayal of events and actions.

[Steve Davy]

From my perspective the mission of Kite Strings has (d)evolved since its inception over half a dozen years ago. The original goal/hope was to reform the sport. "We" now understand why things are like they are and that reform on any significant scale is not a possibility. I now see the primary mission as doing as much damage as possible to the corrupt commercial motherfuckers who hijacked the sport from the recreational pilot decades ago - and ditto for their enablers (99 percent of current participants).

There are many people who want to reform the sport. You've alienated almost all of them ... making the job that much harder.

USHPA's monopoly is at the heart of the problem. You won't reform the sport until that monopoly grip is loosened. Every time you fire a shot at any USHPA competitor, you also shoot your self (and your goal of reform) in the foot. There's nothing that makes the USHPA insiders happier than seeing their critics fighting among themselves.

Your posting of the Brad Geary frames, on the other hand, was excellent. Thanks for making that major effort.

Explain in detail about Terry Mason's fatal crash, Bob.

[bobk]

And thanks for using those frames at the San Diego City Council meetings to misrepresent what was going on during that flight

I started flying paragliders in the early 90's. I've held an advanced PG rating for about a decade. I've demonstrated induced partial collapses during my training, and I've experienced uninduced collapses in flight. I know how quickly a tug on the leading edge can turn into an uncontrollable glider. Just watch some of the videos that Rick Masters posts if you have any doubts.

What are your paragliding credentials Tad?

Regarding Terry's lockout, Steve, I was in California when it happened a few large states away (in Texas). Maybe you should ask Tad since he's an expert in towing.

I posted yesterday after years of absence. I posted in response to Tad's despair (depression) about the sad state of hang gliding in this country. I posted to reach out to Tad and the other folks on this forum so we might find enough common ground to fix what's gone so terribly wrong.

But now I remember why I haven't posted here in so long. There's no one here who can put their love of hang gliding above their love of hatred.

I'll try to remember this lesson a little longer before posting here again.

[<BS>]

Vitamin B-12 and ginkgo biloba might help.

[Steve Davy]

Regarding Terry's lockout, Steve, I was in California when it happened a few large states away (in Texas).

How do you know that it was a lockout if you were a few large states away, Bob?

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1081
Platform towing /risk mitigation / accident

Sam Kellner - 2012/07/03 02:25:58 UTC

No, you don't get an accident report.

Did Sam tell you it was a lockout, Bob?

[<BS>]

missing the USHPA accident database
http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2367#p2367

What

Agreed, there's too much going on at ushpa in "secret".

The... need...for accident reports is another issue.

Each of us makes our share +/- of mistakes, and hopefully we can learn from it and stay alive.

When we can read accident reports of others, and not make these same mistakes, we will be better off, better risk managment.

Learning from accident reports is widely accepted, nothing new.


Sam

A meaningful accident database cannot be managed by parties that are arguably complicit in those accidents by conflicting action such as promotion, concealment or manufacture of defective products.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/concealment
Who knew reform could be so difficult?

[Tad Eareckson]

Note: At around 2017/05/04 09:15:00 UTC I moved the previous eight posts (starting with Bob's 2017/05/02 15:49:14 UTC on the previous page) from "open phones" to this topic. (I actually missed Brian's 2017/05/02 20:46:16 UTC on the first effort and he needed to tip me off earlier today.) The other is intended for posts having no strong/direct connections to glider issues.

(Also note that I had to go out last evening and Brian and Steve got in ahead of my response to Bob's last. (Which they obviously would've done anyway. This one has taken a tons of thought, research, checking, time.))

I started flying paragliders in the early 90's.

When do you think Kelly...

John Kelly Harrison - 55 - Nevada - 53375 - H5 - 1996/10/23 - Joe Greblo - PL TFL TPL AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR XC - ADV INST, TAND INST - Exp: 2015/06/30

...Harrison started flying hang gliders?

I've held an advanced PG rating for about a decade.

Bradley Geary - 82636
- H4 - 2008/08/12 - John Heiney - FL AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR XC
- P4 - 2007/07/09 - Joshua Meyers - FL ST TFL CL FSL HA RLF RS TUR XC - TOW TECH

I've demonstrated induced partial collapses during my training...

1. What did you do?

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Get a friend to fly up in front of you and pull down on your nose lines? (I hear that's the easiest and most effective way to induce a collapse.)

2. At what altitude and in what conditions?

3. Where? At Torrey maybe?

4. Were you able to survive somehow?

5. You mean like?:

The United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association, Inc. - 2017/03

12. Standard Operating Procedure - Rating System
02. Pilot Proficiency System
16. Advanced Paragliding Rating (P4)
-B. Required Witnessed Tasks
02. Demonstrated Skills and Knowledge

-j. Demonstrates significant asymmetric wing collapses (50% of the wing span) with directional control.

No conditions or minimum altitude specified or even implied? As opposed to:

11. Hang Gliding Special Skill Endorsements
05. Aerotow (AT)

-g. The candidate must also demonstrate the ability to properly react to a weak link/tow rope break simulation, initiated by the pilot at altitude, but at a lower than normal release altitude. Such demonstrations should be made in smooth air

A bit odd, dontchya think, that u$hPa considers a fifty percent asymmetric paraglider wing collapse infinitely less dangerous than an increase in the safety of a hang glider aerotowing operation? The latter we all know is an inconvenience at the very worst so using that as the calibration point the former must be ten times safer than normal inflated paraglider flying in smooth air.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/13 05:55:39 UTC

I've had to deal with your profanity, your attacks on other members, your strong weak link theories, your lift and tug theories, and your hopelessly long and repetitive posts.

(Suck my dick, Bob.)

...and I've experienced uninduced collapses in flight.

1. Yeah, the worst kind. Much more dangerous than uninduced collapses not in flight. Similar deal with hang glider stalls.

2. Oh, nothing induced them and I notice you're not saying anything about "partial". Must be a real bitch when you get into thermal conditions - 'specially at low altitude.

3. Multiple thermal induced collapses... What was the most altitude you needed for recovery? Or did you just say, "Fuck this!" and toss your chute?

I know how quickly a tug on the leading edge can turn into an uncontrollable glider.

1. How do you know that? Have you ever tugged or had somebody tug on your leading edge and quickly lost control of a glider? Does ANYBODY have any experience along these lines? Other than the lunatics at ACA?

2. Uncontrollable to what degree and for how long? Until you get your emergency chute open or hit the ground - whichever comes first?

3. CAN? But not necessarily DOES? Are there any parameters we can use to predict an outcome? 'Cause what I saw in the video produced not the slightest hint of even the slowest loss of control. And neither megahour professional paraglider pilot/instructor seemed the least bit perturbed either.

3. So a glider quickly rendered uncontrollable by a tug on the leading edge is much more dangerous than a u$hPa mandated induced fifty percent collapse - during which a Three-Going-On-Four pilot is expected and required to maintain directional control. Wow. Who'da thunk.

4. u$hPa's unambiguous position regarding this issue is that a 3.8 level paraglider pilot can easily maintain directional control while experiencing a fifty percent asymmetric wing collapse. So I'm having a real hard time seeing any actual problem here. So pick one, Bob:

u$hPa, with respect to these issues:

- knows what the fuck it's talking about and there's something under zero problem with what Brad's doing and thus their revocation of Brad's (but not Max's) qualifications was a total travesty

- doesn't know what the fuck it's talking about and thus:
-- your qualifications are totally meaningless; and
-- their revocation Brad's qualifications was a total travesty

(Ever read Catch-22?)

Just watch some of the videos that Rick Masters posts if you have any doubts.

I'm getting on a bit in years, Bob. Can you link me to just one or two illustrating your excellent points? (And DO please tell Rick to go fuck himself for me when you next see him.)

What are your paragliding credentials Tad?

I'm so happy you asked...

http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=28641
Weak links in towing paragliders with pay out winch
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=28697
Weak links why do we use them. in paragliding.
http://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30195
moderation

I pretty much single handedly tore that sport a new asshole and permanently silenced those motherfuckers on the issue of the focal point of their safe towing system.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hhpa/message/9351
Just a Tad to the Right

John Moody - 2010/02/03 22:09 UTC

Bob (Fisher), Zack (C),

Thanks for the clarification on that Tad Eareckson letter. What had me going was that someone should write such a letter to the unnamed agency.

Finding out that Tad did not post it and it was a jab aimed at us tow pilots changes everything! It was like War of the Worlds - I thought it was a real letter at first.

Bob, I had already looked over the first two links you posted about the Capitol Hang Gliding Club and knew that Tad was an active member in the early '90's and I had also looked over his Flicker pictures of releases. It was the third link that turned out to be the really good one. I read the whole thread from top to bottom, about a three hour chore for me and keeping score as it bounced from person to person was hard for a while. The one thing I found I could seriously relate to was Tad Eareckson. He is my newest Hero now. In a nutshell, he argued that more times than not, staying on the rope is better than blowing a weaklink or having the rope handed to you by an observer. He made the point clearly that a weaklink's only purpose is to protect the aircraft and of course the really big one that some pilots fail to understand: a weaklink will not prevent a lockout and in fact probably won't even be strained by one! Getting off the rope IS THE PILOT'S DECISION. The other side of his argument, and the part that started the conversation, is that mandating the maximum strength of a weaklink is crazy - what should be mandated is the MINIMUM strength.

His argument is that having a weaklink blow up in your face when you really need the tow force is the more dangerous situation. Getting off the rope is not always the right answer. There are more factors involved and only the pilot can be aware of them.

What Tad argues is that most of our releases are poorly constructed and engineered, (more as in Not Engineered). That was what he was trying to show on the Flicker site. I went back to that site and re-examined the photos and was able to see how he was trying to show how so many of our releases fail to release properly or are hard to operate. That includes the barrel releases and the spinnaker releases we use around here.

He is advocating an aerotow release that is controlled by a string held in your teeth. It is designed to release if you open your mouth, giving instant release without using your hands. The idea is that at the moment of crisis when you need all your strength controlling the glider - that is a really bad time to have to let go with one hand. A good example of this was the accident in Australia that took the life of Robin Strid. He foot-launched behind a Dragonfly flown by Bob Bailey (who is absolutely one of the best tow pilots in the business). The wind was gusty and crossing and the meet organizers begged him to use a dolly. He crashed on take-off from about 50'. I can remember that one - the meet organizers reported that his problem was too strong a weaklink, but in truth, he was using a 2-G weaklink - the bigger problem was that he did not release quickly, and as the video shows, he had his hand off the bar and was trying to release when he dove in. Of course, if the weaklink was such a big factor, the one on the tug should have blown.

Tad pointed out how the meet organizers concluded the weaklink was the problem and immediately made everyone use lighter weaklinks. They also banned the release mechanism Strid was using, shortened the tow ropes and went to a more elastic tow rope. I remember how Davis Straub was there and how he jumped on the too-strong weaklink bandwagon in the Oz Report. In other words, the problem was the pilot's inability to get off line, which was blamed on the weaklink, not the release and then they found three other things to make the towing more dangerous, all based on the wrong conclusions.

The weaklink has only one purpose: protect the glider. It is not designed to protect the pilot. Even Mike Meier argued it is usually better to stay on the rope if you can.

All in all, the Rope is still my friend, I am going to continue to use a weaklink that won't fail ME, and I am going to locate Mr. Eareckson and learn more about his aerotow and platform tow releases.

Thanks for your help, guys.
John

And that was just warm-up for what Team Kite Strings would do to the Standard Aerotow Weak Link right after a treasured friend of Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney got fatally inconvenienced by his safety device at Quest four Groundhog Days ago.

We majorly changed aviation history. (For the better, by the way.)

But you probably meant stuff along the lines of hours, what's on cards...
- 1992/05/24 - Hyner LZ - Practiced some launch inflations.
- 1993/05/10 - Currituck - Short tandem hop behind the late Alan Chuculate. (You have his jacket.)

Total sleazeball question, Bob. "I have more stuff on my card so I'm able to understand stuff you can't."

http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3035
Tad's Barrel Release and maybe an alternative

Jim Rooney - 2008/02/14 01:37:28 UTC

(3 tows/year) The crux of everything Tad says here.
He is the ultimate sideline quarterback.

Yet he is constantly insulting and condescending to anyone that doesn't agree with his assumptions and conclusions.... which are based on a horrible lack of experience.

It baffles me that people even listen to him.

http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3600
Weak link question

Jim Rooney - 2008/11/22 22:31:35 UTC

Nail on the head Brian!

The simple fact is this. The only reason anyone even gives Tad the time of day is that they want to believe him. Why? Because they don't like to be inconvenienced by a weaklink break. That's it.

Sure, everyone digs around for other reasons to believe, but at the heart of it, it's convenience.
No one is actually scared to fly with a standard weaklink. They may say they are, but deep down inside, they're not.

Tad loves to speak of himself as a scientifically minded person. Yet he ignores a data pool that is at minimum three orders of magnitude higher than his. It is thus that I ignore him.

Birds of a feather. Bullshit.

So anyway, now tell me some more of your accomplishments in the sports.

P.S. Also, Bob... Even if I WERE inclined to bow to your paraglider pilot / aeronautical engineer expertise you've totally destroyed any credibility you might have by posting all that lunatic rot about the dangers of allowing suspension to go tight to verify connection within two seconds of launch commitment.

And this biggie here... When I wrote:

And thanks for using those frames at the San Diego City Council meetings to misrepresent what was going on during that flight...

I wasn't referring to or thinking of your bogus collapse issues AT ALL. That was about using them out of sequence, cherry picking isolated frames, omitting and misrepresenting context to create false impressions of what was going on. I guess you just assumed that's what I was talking about 'cause you know I know it's the biggest load of shit.

Regarding Terry's lockout, Steve, I was in California when it happened a few large states away (in Texas).

So you'd have had a MUCH better idea what happened if you'd been a thousand feet away taking a piss in the men's room.

Maybe you should ask Tad since he's an expert in towing.

1. He doesn't need to. Most of the contributors at Kite Strings are as "expert" in towing as Tad is.

2. And there's no such thing as an "expert" in towing because anything of any significance in the discipline can be understood well enough by any halfway intelligent ten year old kid. I don't EVER present myself as an EXPERT on anything. That was Rooney's game before we permanently ripped him to shreds. (Compare/Contrast the positions of the two of us today.) I say to people, "Gimme your attention for an hour or so and I'll teach you everything you need to understand. I'll make you just as competent as I am - possibly/hopefully more - to fly yourself and pass the info and understanding on to others." And that works.

3. Terry predicted his own death six and a half months before it happened:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=795
AL's Flight At Packsaddle 10-04-11

Terry Mason - 2011/12/01 19:55:00 UTC

Those of us who prefer to fly, will always wonder about the key board jocks, who frighten away new flyers with skitzoid horror stories of murder, and at the hands of friends who only wish to share the incomparable thrill of free flight. I'm reminded of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, striving against the ever present obstructionists. Thanks to Sam for limiting Our forum to FLYERS. See you soon Bob

Similar deal here:

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he posted the day before:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bRrpHNa68iY/UQ6Pv9gRZyI/AAAAAAAAjTg/Hc22bx5122Q/s2048/20943781_BG1.jpg


Identifying oneself as an expert is another way of saying one is too stupid to be able to adequately explain concepts, theory, numbers to others.

I posted yesterday after years of absence.

You posted yesterday:

- several days shy of five years after being banned for continuing to post Homosexual-Relationship-With-A-12-Year-Old-Boy spam after being warned in no uncertain terms to cease and desist

- in violation of a condition not to post after I restored your full access to the site

I posted in response to Tad's despair (depression) about the sad state of hang gliding in this country.

From where did you get that, Bob? I'm pretty much DELIGHTED about the sad state of hang gliding in this country. It's getting the ever accelerating implosion it so richly deserves.

I posted to reach out to Tad and the other folks on this forum so we might find enough common ground to fix what's gone so terribly wrong.

Tell me about the common ground we have, Emperor Bob. How many Bob Show Members have control of US Hawks approaching, equal to, greater than yours?

But now I remember why I haven't posted here in so long.

See above.

There's no one here who can put their love of hang gliding above their love of hatred.

Really Bob? I must've done a really good job of assembling Tad Clones.

Exclusive of the two of us - 41 distinct individuals (assuming they're all still alive), to the best of my knowledge, with full access / posting privileges who are here because they appear to have legitimate interests in the subject manner.

- Includes Bob Show crossovers: Zack C, Mike Lake, Steve Davy, miguel, Al Hernandez, Brian, groundeffect, Joe Faust, Warren, Brian McMahon, Steve Corbin. Maybe more. Check the member lists.

- I've never once:
-- failed to activate any individual who's appeared have a legitimate interest
-- deleted a non spam post
-- edited a post other than to make its intended meaning clearer (spelling, grammar, formatting, documentation...)

I don't love hatred...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=992
Continuing Saga of Weak Link and Release Mechanism Failures

Warren Narron - 2012/03/06 02:26:04 UTC

Tad, used to post about as nice as anyone, and nicer than some. Remember?

Blowback... You put in a thousand plus hour$, tooling, te$ting and documenting safety issues for the masses and have it ignored and suppressed by people, for whatever reason, and you would get testy too.
You're fairly snarky as it is, and you haven't done the work...

And you may be correct about the footnote... but today's footnotes are now hyperlinks...

There is a good chance that from now on, for every incident and fatality caused by insufficient weaklinks or sub-standard release mechanisms, a hyperlink trail will lead back to Tadtriedtowarnyou.com ... where all the evidence can be found.

A further link could then go to a list of all the people and the role they played in the suppression of those safety issues...
Who would like to be on that list?
How many are already on it?

But if pure undiluted hatred of the scum that's hijacked control of the sport isn't the foundation of your striving for a better tomorrow you're wasting your time and effort.

I'll try to remember this lesson a little longer before posting here again.

1. And do try to remember that you were banned from Kite Strings with justification unparalleled in the digital history of hang gliding with objection from no one with the possible exception of yourself and that the ability you have to post here now is a consequence of an astronomical level of tolerance on the part of Yours Truly.

2. Which as another way of saying you're declaring victory and leaving because you and your positions lack the critical mass of substance necessary to survive in an environment in which it's established and accepted that two plus two equals four.

3. So you won't be posting back here anytime soon because there's no one here who can put his love of hang gliding above his love of hatred. That's OK, we'll just look for your responses back over at the democratic utopia you created the better part of seven years ago for all the best of the best hang glider people. (Can you give us a feel for when we should start holding our breaths?)
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Edit - 2017/05/12 00:15:00 UTC

Add Larry West and Jonathan to the Kite Strings / Bob Show crossovers list.

[Tad Eareckson]

The following is what I was preparing by way of a response to the late Bob Kuczewski's 2017/05/05 06:50:08 UTC at:

http://www.kitestrings.org/post10138.html#p10138
open phones

before he did what I was certain he would a lot sooner than I'd expected.
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For the record...

- Being a member of Kite Strings is a PRIVILEGE open to individuals interested in seeing hang gliding conducted as a legitimate branch of aviation. And that most assuredly rules out individuals such as yourself and your enablers.

- You're a Trump caliber manipulator and sociopath and were:
-- banned WAY beyond the point at which you should've been
-- reinstated as a massively undeserved courtesy:
--- to allow you unrestricted access to the site for whatever purposes you wished
--- on the condition that you didn't post

- I'd already rebanned you after reading your last post and before realizing that "Tad's post above" was THREE posts above and a wee bit shy of two months prior to your reappearance in violation of the terms of your reinstatement. Then I spent about an hour working in the user-hostile Administrator Control Panel figuring out how to re-unban you. (And note that prior to clicking that button I looked in vain for a means of disabling your posting privileges while leaving all others intact.)

- I carefully documented my Administrator actions in moving all relevant posts to the appropriate topic such that there wasn't a punctuation mark's worth of history mutilation. (And note that everything I did was and is 100.00 percent reversible.)

- You got a lotta fuckin' goddam gall making a crack about "mutilation of history" after what your pigfucker buddy Sam and you did with/to Steve and Yours Truly back at:

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=649
missing release
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=808
Forum Moderation Information
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=807
Banned Posts from SWTHG Forum

- I find it a bit odd that somebody so deeply concerned about history mutilation issues posts:

For the record ... my posts to this topic (which were in direct response to Tad's post above) have been moved to another topic.

without even bothering to provide the link to or name of the other topic.

- It wasn't just YOUR posts that got moved - asshole. It was also BRIAN's, TAD's, and STEVE's posts. ALL of them in the string. And the fact that you make your statement as a partial truth and in a misleading manner is VINTAGE BOB. It's EXACTLY the kinda bullshit you pulled using my stills of the Brad Geary video in your presentations to the San Diego City Council. And you're lucky that I don't live near enough to your neck of the woods to present another slide show with my stills to make it crystal clear to everybody the kinda bullshit you're pulling.

- Steve's last post was virtually identical to what I was giving strong consideration to saying. I'm about a coin toss away from cutting your wire / boosting the integrity of this forum by removing you as a glaring exception to the rules and principles.

And remember a couple of Augusts ago when I strongly and effectively opposed efforts of a host of Grebloville denizens - prominently including Jonathan - to have you silenced on / removed from the SHGA dump? He has the access required to obliterate all your posts and pull your plug. (And he also has the access required to obliterate all my posts and ban and reinstate all the regular users.)

One needn't be in lockstep with Yours Truly and all Kite Strings positions to be deemed an asset worthy of a high level of trust.

[<BS>]

But now I remember why I haven't posted here in so long. There's no one here who can put their love of hang gliding above their love of hatred.

I'm here.
http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19961

[Tad Eareckson]

Bob Kuczewski - 2017/05/05 06:50:08 UTC

For the record ... my posts to this topic (which were in direct response to Tad's post above) have been moved to another topic.

Mutilation of history often starts with the smallest of steps.

The implication being that the moving of the posts - all relevant ones and in context with full public documentation of the action - was a small mutilation of history, presumably deliberate and with malicious intent.

Bullshit, Bob. ALL forums have Administrators and ALL Administrators have tools at their disposal to manage the forums as they see fit or wish - for good or evil in accordance with the character of the Administrator. I use the option on infrequent occasions only to consolidate posts in relevant topics - as was the most recent action. Scumbags like Davis and Sam use it or request that it be used to sabotage productive discussions, muffle opposition voices, protect their sleazy asses.

And regular participants and readers tend to understand that the kind of action I took is a normal component of forum dynamics and not be bothered by such non: hostile, deceitful, destructive editing. And I'd guess that most would be appreciative of it 'cause I've never heard any statements to the contrary - other than yours.

Bob Kuczewski - 2017/05/05 10:49:02 UTC

Go ahead. Show everyone what this site is really all about.

Getting close to a day and a half since Kite Strings showed everyone what it's really all about and the internet hardly seems abuzz with reaction. And I find it a bit odd that you don't seem to have done anything anywhere at which you're able to bring this latest outrage to the world's attention - the way you did after the first gross miscarriage of justice...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=982
Anti-Christian Williams

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/05/09 18:05:46 UTC

By the way, speaking of banning, it looks like Tad wasn't able to honor freedom of speech on his KiteStrings forum.

...five years minus a day ago. And speaking of misrepresentative statements... It was made perfectly clear in the two mission statement posts that freedom of speech was no way in hell a Kite Strings value or objective. Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight, Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney, and Bob Kuczewski have the Jack, Davis, and Bob Show respectively at which to lie their asses off, misrepresent and/or ignore opposition statements, and/or recraft reality in their own images.

Conditions I presented upon restoring your access to Kite Strings...

Tad Eareckson - 2014/11/22 04:58:01 UTC

A little while ago, at 2014/11/22 03:30:58 UTC, I figured out how to unban you and fired off the critical click. Also disabled your Personal Messaging capability. However, consider yourself still officially banned, and please agree not to post anything or edit old posts.

- I've been saying that I permitted you Private Messaging capabilities. Apparently not. But the fact that you never disputed my statement is strong evidence that that feature was as much of a nonissue for you on Kite Strings as it was for Yours Truly on The Bob Show. (And anyway I only disabled it as a demonstration to discredit your fake justification of banning me from The Bob Show as being the only option you had to protect your Members of Varying Ages from communicating with an unrepentant child molester.)

- I don't recall you ever agreeing to the conditions I set and you undoubtedly didn't because you strictly limit your lying to issues in which it's difficult or impossible to definitively pin you down but you very clearly violated them and were allowed a lot of latitude before your plug got pulled.

Despite the above... In the unlikely event that you should ever desire full member access to the site to facilitate searches, research I'd likely be OK with restoring your access for reasonable periods (like a day or two).

Bob Kuczewski - 2017/05/02 15:49:14 UTC

USHPA's monopoly is at the heart of the problem. You won't reform the sport until that monopoly grip is loosened. Every time you fire a shot at any USHPA competitor...

In other words... The Bob Show. 'Cause you, I, everyone and his dog knows that there's only ONE u$hPa competitor. And it started out more corrupt and dangerous than u$hPa has yet managed to become after all these decades and has only gone downhill from that point. (Note that u$hPa finally had to abandon the standard aerotow weak link in favor of Tad-O-Links that flight parks, meet heads, and individuals are happy with while on The Bob Show Rooney Links still make great pitch and lockout protectors and whipstalls are still mere inconveniences.)

...you also shoot your self (and your goal of reform) in the foot.

No Bob...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 00:52:29 UTC

The Hawks has no product. There is no there, there.

u$hPa's gotta be thrilled that a healthy smattering of its detractors have stampeded their way into your political equivalent of a lobster pot - and are too fuckin' stupid to be able to figure out:
- that they're not in or headed to a better situation
- how to back their way back out

There's nothing that makes the USHPA insiders happier than seeing their critics fighting among themselves.

1. Oh gee, Bob! THAT must be the reason The Bob Show is so conspicuously silent in response to attacks from Kite Strings. And here I was thinking that the reason was that y'all knew you'd get your heads blown off within the first five seconds of any engagement. Thank you so much for your restraint.

2. There's nothing that would make the u$hPa shits happier than seeing Kite Strings destroy its integrity by turning a blind eye to the Sam Kellner / Terry Mason shit you dickheads pull and the lunatic aeronautical theory you dickheads perpetrate.

What scares u$hPa shitless is:
- hang glider pilots understanding sound aeronautical theory, engineering, airmanship, procedures, regulations
- thorough, competent, accurate incident investigation, analysis, and reporting

And there's absolutely no question whatsoever about that. One need only skim the pattern of the way things have steadily devolved over the decades. And Kite Strings is the only game in town (meaning on the fuckin' planet) that's comprehensively filling those voids. And note how:
- hostile Kite Strings is to what u$hPa is and is doing
- effective Kite Strings is in exposing u$hPa's incompetence, negligence, duplicity, corruption, criminal conduct
- far u$hPa's bending over backwards to not acknowledge Kite Strings' massive web presence

Two years ago they murdered that poor little eleven year old kid in front of his family...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32673
This is terrible

Dave Pendzick - 2015/03/30 17:42:41 UTC

This is not going to end well for us...

...there was a massive cover-up conspiracy, Kite Strings responded with a massive investigation and published a stunningly complete picture of what happened and why, did in spades everything Mark G. Forbes was begging its brown-nosing membership not to, and no more insurance from anyone anywhere at any price ever.

And all you assholes did was piss all over...

Zack C - 2011/03/04 05:29:28 UTC

As for platform launching, I was nervous about it when I started doing it. It looked iffy, like things could get bad fast. I've since logged around a hundred platform launches and have seen hundreds more. Never once was there any issue. I now feel platform launching is the safest way to get a hang glider into the air (in the widest range of conditions). You get away from the ground very quickly and don't launch until you have plenty of airspeed and excellent control.

...the safest way to get a hang glider into the air in the widest range of conditions - as long as you don't have some moron doing everything humanly possible as wrong as humanly possible.

Your posting of the Brad Geary frames, on the other hand, was excellent. Thanks for making that major effort.

Don't mention it. And for the other end of the tandem flying safety spectrum be sure to check out:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic84.html
2015/03/27 Jean Lake crash