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Landings
Jim Rooney - 2012/01/21 04:49:59 UTC
Wheels.
I nearly forgot a very important one.
This goes ahead of everything else, but is very often overlooked for many reasons.
Landing on the wheels... on purpose.
The significance of this didn't dawn on me till I started spending a lot of time doing tandems and very little time flying solo. It's not till you start doing "production tandems" that this idea enters your world. I was working as a commercial tandem pilot at a place where we land the tandems on wheels and being a foreigner, I didn't have a solo glider readily available. Every now and then, I'd hop on a tandem and fly it solo, but most of the time I just flew my paraglider. Well, this makes for a very interesting situation. You're exceptionally current at flying, but horribly uncurrent at foot landing. Not a mix you find often. So when you do wind up finally getting back on a solo glider, there is quite the nagging thought in the back of your head... "how rusty have I become?".
And here's the strange strange answer... not much at all.
The reason why is the interesting bit.
All those wheel landings actually help... a lot.
See, with the wheel landings, we're doing all the landing bits except final flare. AND... we're actually doing a bit of that as well.
You're diving at the earth (faster than trim) and flying the glider way down into ground effect... then you're maintaining height, often for as long as possible because passengers (and you) love it. It's fun as hell. Up hill, down hill, into wind, with the wind, cross wind... who cares? You're on wheels. Over and over and over.
You get very very very in tune with your glider.
Because you're landing on your belly (and the passenger's belly) all blessed day long, you instinctively become gentle about it as well.
So, you skim the earth for a very long time, then you give a bit of a shove at the end and more plop down rather than just skidding in. Sometimes you do skid in and sometimes you smash it onto the wheels a little early, but it's the plop ones that are important in regards to foot landings. Cuz, yup... they correlate directly to the flare. You're just pushing out on the base bar instead of slaming the uprights up.
It's not exactly the same of course. As they say, there's nothing like the real thing.
But damn if it doesn't help more than you'd expect.
I know it shocked me.
You're also managing all the "other" parts of landing without a cluttered mind that's worrying about sorting the flare.
So then when you switch back to doing the flare bit, you're not bothered about the other bits because they're automatic by this point.
We do this all the time with students that we teach via aerotowing.
They get loads of practice at all the other bits of landing before they get anywhere near flaring.
Only after they've got everything else down, do we progress them.
And it makes for a very easy transition.
I nearly forgot a very important one.
Yeah, we've done the Moonwalk, Trim Plus One, Two Step, Crescendo, and Zen. And we almost forgot the one that all the tandem pilots use when they make a zillion flights a day and don't wanna break their gliders or arms or mangle their passengers.
This goes ahead of everything else, but is very often overlooked for many reasons.
Yeah. Unnaturally high testosterone levels combined with astronomical stupidity - including the belief that if you don't perform every landing as if you were coming down in a narrow dry riverbed with large rocks strewn all over the place or a field filled with seven foot high corn you will inevitably die in a narrow dry riverbed with large rocks strewn all over the place or a field filled with seven foot high corn.
Landing on the wheels... on purpose.
MY GOD!!! Surely thou dost jest!!!
The significance of this didn't dawn on me...
It's beyond comprehension how many blindingly obvious things of significance haven't dawned on you - and never will.
It's not till you start doing "production tandems" that this idea enters your world.
I've only done seven tandems in by life - none instructional, just little hill hops with friends - and I didn't need any of them to assess situations in which attempting foot landings would be moronic.
As a matter of fact my very first flight on a hang glider - a Kitty Hawk trainer on 1980/04/02 - was an easy natural wheel landing. And when I worked there as an instructor a lot of my better students ignored my instructions for standup landings and rolled just fine as well.
You're exceptionally current at flying, but horribly uncurrent at foot landing.
Damn near all recreational pilots are horribly non current at foot landings. That's 'cause they're more interested in getting thermal time than they are practicing stupid, dangerous, mostly useless foot landings.
Not a mix you find often.
Yeah? Did you ever watch the LZ at Ridgely? Or Lookout? Or any other high traffic areas with typical hang glider pilots coming in?
You're diving at the earth (faster than trim) and flying the glider way down into ground effect...
You mean like pretty much ANY aircraft comes in on final?
It's fun as hell. Up hill, down hill, into wind, with the wind, cross wind... who cares? You're on wheels. Over and over and over.
1. So you come in on wheels over and over and over, terrain and wind direction are never an issue, you don't have any problems, and it's FUN. Wow!!!
Don Boardman
Rome, New York
1982/12
The landings, by the way, are the greatest. You come in just like a seaplane and touch down gently skimming on the water's surface.
1983/05
The floats allow a prone in the water start and a seaplane like landing ... level off hot about a foot above the water ... hold ... smooth, fun, prone landings.
Who'da thunk!!!
2. So I guess you're not doing a whole lot of landings in narrow dry riverbeds with large rocks strewn all over the place or fields filled with seven foot high corn, huh?
Christian Thoreson - 2004/10
Thus wheel landings, the safest and easiest way to consistently land a hang glider...
3. So can I put you down as being in total agreement with Christian on this issue?
Because you're landing on your belly (and the passenger's belly) all blessed day long, you instinctively become gentle about it as well.
But the landings are "GENTLE"... I dunno. This just doesn't sound like real hang gliding to me.
Jim Rooney - 2012/01/19 19:00:29
Landing a HG is unnatural.
To do it well, you must come in fast.
You must stop the glider and make it tailslide... something you never do otherwise and never even toy with otherwise as the results would be disasterous.
Now THAT sounds like REAL hang gliding!!! Unnatural, stopping the glider and making it tailslide, something you would never do otherwise nor even toy with as the results would be disastrous! Sure is a good thing there's no possibility whatsoever of any of that stupid bullshit being disastrous at one of the two most dangerous phases of flight, right Kevin Carter? Paul? Lauren? Sparky?
So, you skim the earth for a very long time, then you give a bit of a shove at the end and more plop down rather than just skidding in.
What if you get into turbulence? It's a glider carrying two people and big enough to do the job but you've only got one person providing the muscle? Don't you REALLY need to go upright and hug a downtube for adequate roll control. Eh...
The Press - 2006/03/15
However, he took off without attaching himself.
In a video, he was seen to hold on to the glider for about fifty meters before hitting power lines.
Rooney and the passenger fell about fifteen meters to the ground.
I guess you guys are just too concerned about the safety of your passengers to fly them in turbulence.
You're just pushing out on the base bar instead of slaming the uprights up.
Does that really work? I'da thunk it would be just the opposite. You have so much less positive pitch authority on the basetube. I'da thunk you'd just push out high on the uprights and really hafta slame the basetube up. This is so very confusing.
It's not exactly the same of course. As they say, there's nothing like the real thing.
Yeah, it's not the REAL thing. None of this brain dead safe and easy, worry free, low stress, fun crap. Let's start getting REAL, dude.
You're also managing all the "other" parts of landing without a cluttered mind that's worrying about sorting the flare.
Oh. So even YOUR mind - which one would think lacks the capacity to accumulate much of anything - tends to be cluttered worrying about sorting out the flare.
The Ledger - 2009/11/17
Jeremy Maready
Vermont Man Dies in Davenport Hang Glider Crash - Volunteer firefighter was gliding near Davenport Sunday (2009/11/15) when he hit tree, police say.
Anthony Ameo, 59, of Sheffield, Vermont was trying to land when he struck a pine tree and fell nearly 25 feet, according to the Polk County Sheriff's Office and officials at Wallaby Ranch, a facility that caters to hang gliders.
Ameo was flown to Lakeland Regional Medical Center where he died during surgery.
A friend said Ameo began hang gliding about three years ago and was practicing for his intermediate rating. He had passed a written test and was practicing for his flying test, which would measure his ability to set up a proper approach and flare the glider at the appropriate time to land on his feet.
"The transition (from flaring the glider to landing) takes a lot of eye-to-hand coordination," said Eugene Pettinato, Ameo's friend and flying partner. "That was his weakest area, I think."
So do you think it might actually SAFER for your average recreational pilot to forget about sorting out the goddam fucking flare and just worry about landing the fucking glider instead? Just kidding.
Gil Dodgen - 1995/01
All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."
And do you think there's any chance that we might have more people having more fun more safely just doing wheel landings? When you're doing the math think about the people who won't fly hang gliders 'cause they're too difficult to foot land, have been injured, crippled, and killed because they attempted foot landings, and the people who find other hobbies because they've heard about or seen other people injured, crippled, and killed because they attempted foot landings.