miguel - 2012/02/29 00:40:12 UTC
Releases
A while back, I said that the towing environment is like the 12 blind men describing the elephant. Everyone of them is an expert. I do not doubt that your setup works. But according to the other 11 blind men, their devices work well, too. They have proved it to themselves. They explain away the dead and injured as anomilies. They believe in their stuff as much as you believe in yours.
I am not familiar with your initial presentation of your device but have been around for the clusterfuck that followed. While you do point out flaws in other's equipment, you attack them personally with extreme prejudice. Then you sit back in wonderment of why they treat you like a bad disease. Whenever your name comes up on the big boards, it turns into poop on Tad and they use your board for examples. The new guys or even the folks with a passing interest learn quickly that you are damaged goods and to disregard what you may have to say.
Clean up your act and more people will listen. Keep on the same path, and reap more of the same.
A while back, I said that the towing environment is like the 12 blind men describing the elephant.
Yeah, and I can say that the length of the hypotenuse is determined by the Battle of Hastings divided by an Emperor Penguin - but I might have a bit of trouble justifying the statement.
What I could much more accurately say is that the towing environment is like twelve self regulated snake oil salesmen whose livelihoods, reputations, and freedom from legal liability are heavily dependent upon keeping the public from being vaccinated against polio and smallpox viruses.
Everyone of them is an expert.
This is why God gave us science, math, hydraulic cylinders, and pressure gauges.
However, if the vast majority of the public is incapable of understanding science and math at or beyond the third grade level because the self regulated snake oil salesmen also control the educational system then two plus two will always equal seven and people will keep fighting in line for more snake oil - especially when their buddies are getting disfigured and/or paralyzed and the snake oil salesmen are telling everybody the reason they're getting disfigured and/or paralyzed is because they didn't take enough snake oil and the guys pushing the vaccinations are agents of Satan.
I do not doubt that your setup works.
Why? Because I say it does or because you've looked at the numbers I got off my pressure gauge and checked the science and math?
But according to the other 11 blind men, their devices work well, too.
Well then...
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 07:51:12 UTC
Ok, here's something to chew on, while we're on the topic.
It's not going to taste nice, but it's the god's honest truth.
It's not going to be nice because it's an affront to ego... which goes over like a lead balloon, but again... too bad, it's the truth.
See, the "everyone's opinion is valid" stuff is for the birds.
No. We don't consider everyone's opinion on these topics.
You're late to the game. Very late.
We've been at this a long freaking time. You haven't.
All these "ideas" that people propose, we've already been through... a number of times.
Don't you think that the people that do this day in and day out have maybe... I don't know... ALREADY THOUGHT OF THAT?
We did.
A long time ago.
Not only have we thought this stuff through seven different ways to sunday, we've tested a bunch of this shit too. And some of it's the stuff that you haven't even gotten around to realizing yet.
It's not cuz we're somehow smarter... we're not.
It's cuz you're LATE!!!
We've just had tons more time at this.
So pardon me if I get a bit irritated at people telling me that I need to reconsider something from someone who's just now getting to something that we've been over a million freakin times already.
Have we explored everything?
No. Of course not.
BUT YOU"RE LATE!
Your ideas have already been hashed through.
This is why this is an affront to ego.
See, people don't like to hear that their special little idea has already been thrown out even before they bring it up.
But that's the gods honest truth.
This is what I'm talking about when I politely inform people that they're not going to be informing me about towing.
It's not that I think I'm "all that"... it's that I've spent more time discussing this shit with people that know what the hell they're talking about then you have time discussing anything about hang gliding at all.
You're late to the game.
Your special little idea's already been discussed... a long long time ago.
I guess this is all just a matter of opinion, there's no POSSIBLE way to verify the validity, and you'd probably be best off with the most experienced and successful snake oil salesmen. And you wouldn't wanna take a position contrary to God's Plan and start down the path that begins with looking at the numbers and checking the science and math and leads straight to Satan.
They have proved it to themselves.
You sure about that? Is there any possibility that they know their snake oil is useless but can't afford to be seen with a vaccination scars on their shoulders?
They explain away the dead and injured as anomilies.
Not enough snake oil. Let this be a lesson to the rest of you kids. Now if you'll excuse me I have a fatality report to submit to the United States Snake Oil Salesmen Association. Oh, what the hell, I'm the Chairman of the USSOSA Accident Review Committee so what would be the point anyway?
They believe in their stuff as much as you believe in yours.
Yeah, sure they do.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skysailingtowing/message/6726
Weaklinks
Peter Birren - 2008/10/27 23:41:49 UTC
Imagine if you will, just coming off the cart and center punching a thermal which takes you instantly straight up while the tug is still on the ground. Know what happens? VERY high towline forces and an over-the-top lockout. You'll have both hands on the basetube pulling it well past your knees but the glider doesn't come down and still the weaklink doesn't break (.8G). So you pull whatever release you have but the one hand still on the basetube isn't enough to hold the nose down and you pop up and over into an unplanned semi-loop. Been there, done that... at maybe 200 feet agl.
They also believe that there's no downside to taking a hand off the basetube during a thermal induced low level lockout and they'll never do an unplanned semi-loop at maybe one hundred feet AGL.
What do you believe? Or do you lack the towing experience necessary to offer an opinion?
I am not familiar with your initial presentation...
Correct.
While you do point out flaws in other's equipment...
Which, given enough cycles, will inevitably translate into broken necks off the side of the runway. Yes, do continue.
...you attack them personally...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skysailingtowing/message/7152
AT SOPs - proposed revisions
Peter Birren - 2009/02/18 02:53:30 UTC
For the most part, his fuel line's been cut.
Especially if the motherfucker's cut my fuel line - for the most or even the least part.
...with extreme prejudice.
Wait. I'm a little confused here.
I am not familiar with your initial presentation...
If you're not familiar with the history of my interactions with some of these assholes how are you able to make a call on whether my personal attacks are extremely prejudiced or lacking somewhat in the punch that's very well deserved?
Then you sit back in wonderment of why they treat you like a bad disease.
Where'd you get that from?
1. I've been fighting these battles for a coon's age - I know EXACTLY what these assholes are gonna say and do a couple of weeks before they do.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show
Tad Eareckson - 2011/12/13 03:26:05 UTC
1. I've been a train wreck for just about all of my life. I didn't notice any special rules for train wrecks when I signed up.
2. How come train wrecks all the sudden get third class citizenship but total shitheads are still as free as they've always been to roam the US Hawks prairies?
3. Nah, Bob's a lot more subtle. First he'll spend a little time and effort framing me and setting me up to make things look legitimate - THEN he'll shoot me while I was "lunging at him with a knife" (which no one can quite remember me owning) during the attempted arrest. Then he'll bring Rooney in here to describe to everyone how he and his colleagues brought aerotowing to its present state of perfection and explain the hitherto undisclosed benefits of bent pin releases and 130 pound Greenspot safety enhancers. And Sam will post a nine square inch welcome so flooded with little clappers and thumbuppers that everyone will need welders' helmets to read it.
I rest my case.
2. What makes you think that I view being treated like a bad disease by Davis, Jack, Peter, and Bob Show assholes as a BAD thing? I'd be even more suicidally depressed than usual if I were on some kind of civilized terms with them.
Whenever your name comes up on the big boards, it turns into poop on Tad...
Good.
- Just more confirmation that I'm doing things right.
- And if I weren't doing things right what possible reason could there be for my name coming up on the big boards?
...and they use your board for examples.
Yep. And when they did that the hit rate on my recent topics increased over tenfold. And they seem to have leveled off to a substantial increase since then - but the numbers haven't had time to settle down enough for me to call a percentage yet. So please keep pooping on Tad - couldn't ask for better advertising.
The new guys or even the folks with a passing interest learn quickly that you are damaged goods and to disregard what you may have to say.
Yeah, those are the kind of stupid sheep I don't want listening to me anyway. They best serve the interests of hang gliding and the gene pool by becoming statistical data.
Clean up your act and more people will listen.
1. I don't want MORE people listening. I want GOOD people listening - and I may have already maxed out the possibilities from the hang gliding pool.
2. MORE people won't listen anyway.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Steve Davy - 2011/08/31 10:11:32 UTC
Zack figured it out. Well done Zack! Enjoy your vacation.
Kinsley Sykes - 2011/08/31 11:35:36 UTC
Well actually he didn't. But if you don't want to listen to the folks that actually know what they are talking about, go ahead.
Feel free to go the the tow park that Tad runs...
They're completely lacking in the intellect to handle the two plus two equals four thing and will keep their lips glued to the asses of the highly respected and experienced snake oil salesmen until they get their fuckin' necks snapped or hell freezes over - whichever comes first. And I'm perfectly OK with that.
Keep on the same path, and reap more of the same.
1. Cool! I'm making a little bit of slow steady progress here while most of the rest of the sport is treading or sinking back into the sewer.
2. Why should you give a rat's ass anyway?
- I'm just one of a dozen blind guys with an opinion no better than anyone else's.
- Why aren't you over on The Peter Show advising him on how to get more people static towing on Hewett Bridles and Birren Pitch and Lockout Limiters and fewer people platform launching on one point bridles and aerotowing on two point threading bridles like deltaman and Zack are using?
- If you think I DO know what I'm talking about, am not just another blind guy with an opinion, and may prevent the next Brad Anderson, Eric Aasletten, Rob Richardson, Mike Haas, Robin Strid, Holly Korzilius, Jeremiah Thompson, Nuno Fontes, or Steve Elliot from slamming back into the runway, why aren't you out on the Davis, Jack, and Bob Shows cutting assholes to shreds and getting yourself attacked, locked down, and banned - the way Zack, Larry, Mike, Antoine, and Steve do?
If you feel this message needs outing, feel free.
Done. Appreciate the input - as always.
