THE CODE AMONGST ALL PILOTS
- ESPECIALLY if someone is just hanging around and NOT a "pilot". Your chances of having detected an intelligent life form just quintupled.The Floating Baron - 2012/11/07 18:52:07 UTC
Kitchener-Waterloo, Ontario
Even if someone is just hanging around and NOT a pilot, getting them to help you check your hook in and such is possible with a little direction and we sometimes just have to slow down and make sure everything is safe before we take to the air, things change from flight to flight, so it never hurts to double or triple check, it may take you a few extra min to get in the air but you will then be able to enjoy your time there and not be in a panic or worse about what you did not do or should have done up etc.
- What "and such"? What "and such" matters enough to be talking about at this point? How 'bout we give focusing entirely on unhooked launches a shot?
- We make sure "everything" is safe in the setup area. That's what the PREFLIGHT is for. On launch we need to stop thinking about the "everything" bullshit and start focusing on the one thing that:
-- matters - like critically
-- is easiest to fuck up
-- has a long and voluminous historical failure record
- The one thing that NEVER varies from foot launched flight to foot launched flight. The thing that's most likely to get you killed is a carabiner dangling behind your knees two seconds prior to launch.
- Yeah, double and triple check. Keep doing things to...
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25550
Failure to hook in.
...build in that sense of security you'll be needing a minute or two before commitment to flight.Christian Williams - 2011/10/25 03:59:58 UTC
What's more, I believe that all hooked-in checks prior to the last one before takeoff are a waste of time, not to say dangerous, because they build a sense of security which should not be built more than one instant before commitment to flight.
- Yeah, when you get to the ramp you should take a few extra minutes to check your sidewires, feel along your leading edges for dents, make sure all of your bolts are safetied with split rings. The people standing in line behind you who DO have their shit together and are looking to get into the air before the thermals all evaporate won't mind.
- The discussion is about UNHOOKED LAUNCHES. THE check to protect against unhooked launches takes, at most, one second - NOT MINUTES.
- You got your rating from Mike Robertson, right?
That sounds SO FAMILIAR! Are you any relation to...J C thats me - 2013/01/03 00:48:33 UTC
Australia
Hey over here in oz we always hook our harness in first before getting into the glider that way you know you are hooked in.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=821
Fatal hang gliding accident
...Sam Kellner?Sam Kellner - 2011/11/07 02:47:58 UTC
Preflight, Hangcheck, Know you're hooked in.
How 'bout...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went
Rick Masters?Rick Masters - 2011/10/19 22:47:17 UTC
At that moment, I would banish all concern about launching unhooked. I had taken care of it. It was done. It was out of my mind.
Of course you do. All you Aussie assholes do stuff PRIOR to launch EVERY TIME. And none of you Aussie assholes ever does anything *JUST* PRIOR to launch 'cause - hell - you just did a hang check five minutes ago so what would be the point?We still do a hang check prior to launch EVERY TIME...
Got that in your HGFA SOPs somewhere?...regardless of wether you have already done one before and if backing off launch the same applies if getting out of glider you are leaving the harness still hooked in.
- When I plug "carabina" into my dictionary it says:self launching is just a matter of turning around and checking the carabina is done up or even leaning forward .
It's not a fucking "carabina" or, as Pro-Toad Straub prefers, "carabinEEr". It's a fucking CARABINER or - reflecting its German etymology - karabiner. Try learning something about the English language before you start making proclamations about what everyone in your country does.No entries found. Did you mean?
carbine
carbon
Caribbean
- See above regarding the English language.I still find it strange when i see photo's of pilots walking around with there harness on.
- I still find it strange when I see videos of you wack jobs running off slopes with no final verification of hook-in status and watching your fellow flyers...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mX2HNwVr9g
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...running off slopes with no final verification of hook-in status because everyone assumes he and everyone else has always gone through some stupid preflight ritual and nothing out of the ordinary has happened in the time between then and launch.
Save it.Cheers safe flying.
Yeah, do it before you step out onto launch. What could POSSIBLY happen between the time you step up on the back of the ramp and the time you run off the front of the ramp? And the SOP which requires the pilot to check JUST PRIOR TO LAUNCH really means just before you step out onto launch. That was OBVIOUSLY its intent.Aeschna - 2013/01/03 02:49:03 UTC
Stratham, New Hampshire
Re: Failing to hook in
Best habit I was ever taught is to Always Always Always lift the control frame a bit just before you step out onto launch and make sure that you feel a tug in your leg loops.
That's funny, whenever I launch I just want to be scared shitless that my carabiner is dangling. That way I'm way more inclined to comply with the fucking regulation instead of a check I did a minute or two ago.I do this even if I've had a hang check, and I'll repeat it if I set the glider down for a minute to wait for a better cycle. Just want to be absolutely certain that when the glider gets airborne, I'm going up with it.
- Aeschna says NOTHING about doing a check JUST PRIOR TO LAUNCH.K C Benn - 2013/01/03 03:09:24
Ogden
Ditto to what Aeschna says. Been flying a long time and never had a close call on hooking in. I always lift my glider up until I feel my leg loops tighten. This tells me I am hooked to my glider.
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H-4. Flying since 1975
- Wow. You've been flying since 1975 and do a lift and tug before each and every flight and have nevertheless survived all the horrors Bob assures us will result from that procedure. Amazing.