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Landings
Ascaro - 2014/06/28 09:45:13 UTC
At 0:29 you can see the banner. With all that wind, everything is totally zen!!
Goddam right. (And I said it 40.5 hours before anyone else did.)
He touches the right wingtip, anyway.
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Jim Rooney - 2014/06/28 12:06:24 UTC
Ok, I've finally found a good description of how to do the "Zen" landing...
Oh good. Now you can continue babbling all about how to do useless dangerous bullshit better.
As you would expect, it's subtle and deceptively simple.
Of course. It's always the glaringly obvious and straightforward stuff that we never expect.
It also has a high penalty for error if you get it wrong... basically, you'll power-whack.
But go for it anyway. Just don't use a Tad-O-Link or any of his homemade funky shit at the other end of the flight.
That said...
As with all good landings, it starts with a good approach.
DAMN! I've been starting all my landings with crappy approaches. I've been assuming that I don't wanna squander all my goodness at the less critical phases of the operation.
Faster than trim all the way down into ground effect.
Like THIS?:
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Joe on plowing
Jim Rooney - 2014/06/16 11:23:38 UTC
I'm not sure I understand this or where it's coming from.
It had everything to do with rotor.
Wings level.
I've been coming in with a sixty degree bank. That's not OK? It says on the placard that it's safe.
As you slow in ground effect, start a very subtle climb.
Yep, whenever you're trying to get a plane stopped on the ground you'll get much better results if you bring it into ground effect then go back up.
Here's the trick...
Sorry Jim, when I'm landing a glider I'm not interested in doing tricks.
keep the glider climbing.
Definitely. What's the worst that could happen?
That's it.
Just keep it climbing.
You're right. That IS deceptively simple! And here I was thinking that that might be a good time to start letting it sink.
It doesn't matter how much it's climbing (although I recommend not getting higher than you want to fall)... just that it's climbing.
I prefer not to take a chance on falling AT ALL - motherfucker. So I think I'll take a pass on that one.
What will happen is that as you trade speed for lift to continue to climb, the tradeoff happens exponentially.
1. Five whole syllables from a pin bender. I AM impressed!
2. Trading speed for lift to climb from a couple feet off the deck... Sounds like a plan to me! I think I'll suggest that to my airliner captain on my next hop (and see how long it takes the sky marshals to cuff me and take me off the plane).
So at the beginning, you'll push out ever so slightly to climb but by the end, you'll be pushing out very rapidly to keep climbing even slightly.
And, of course, you needn't worry the least bit about wind shifts, gusts, turbulence 'cause who ever heard about issues like THOSE having bearings on anything.
It is a very similar technique to the creshendo flare or "two step" but with less abrupt changes.
There is no "flare" for example... the glider just flies up a hill till it gives up.
This is also why uphill landings are so easy...
I'll be sure to remember that for next year's ECC.
...you're practically doing this technique without knowing it.
The difference being that when you actually ARE landing uphill you can be simultaneously gaining altitude and getting closer to the ground.
The danger here is that if you don't stall those tips... you're going for a very painful whack...
Well, as long as it can be no worse than very painful. I can deal with that. Just as long as there's no risk of glider damage or injury.
...you've climbed up and stalled the root but not the tips... the tips take over and point that nose at the earth from however high you've climbed.
Oh. So if I hadn't started climbing ten sentences ago I wouldn't, at this point, be worrying about the tips taking over, and pointing my nose at the earth from however high I've climbed. So what was the reason I left ground effect and started a very subtle climb?
If you haven't mastered the two step, I would not recommend attempting the Zen as you can severely damage yourself.
1. But once you mastered the two step - GO FOR IT!!!
2. So how long did it take you - with your internationally renowned keen intellect - to master the two step. Should we muppets multiply that figure by ten or fifteen to get a rough idea of how long it will take us?
3. Name some other people who've mastered the two step. Sounds to me like...
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Steve Pearson on landings
Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC
I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.
...we've gotta go a good bit up from Steve Pearson's pay grade. And that would seem to indicate to me that ANYBODY who does these bullshit landings you keep describing is at extremely high risk of severely damaging himself.
4. Show me a video of someone landing in an environment in which any of these bullshit landings could be of enough of an advantage to balance out the risk. EVERYTHING I see tends to look a lot like THIS:
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5. All you're doing with this bullshit is enabling, encouraging, legitimizing...
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Paragliding Collapses
Jim Rooney - 2011/06/12 13:57:58 UTC
Most common HG injury... spiral fracture of the humerus.
Gil Dodgen - 1995/01
All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."
...more of this sport killing carnage - EXACTLY the way you do with your Rooney Links and bent pin Aerotow Industry Standard crap.
Mark Knight gets killed on 2014/02/23 when his Dragonfly suddenly spins out of control at AK-Chin Regional and John Claytor seriously bends his neck on 2014/06/02 locking out behind one of you assholes at the ECC and not a whisper from you. The door opens a crack for you to further expound on how to do stupid dangerous stunt landings better and The Davis Show comes close to buckling under the bandwidth demands.
If you SPECULATE that there's a one in a billion chance that a Rooney Link will increase the survivability of a lockout somewhere sometime EVERYBODY must be forced to use them EVERYWHERE for all eternity. But you're perfectly happy pushing landings everyone and his dog knows will demolish a couple people every weekend of every flying season.
