landing

[Steve Davy]

Jason Boehm - 2014/09/22 17:36:02 UTC

wheels didn't save him...

I've had the displeasure of meeting Jason's dad. I can tell you that after that experience it's real easy to understand why Jason is such a total asshole.

[Tad Eareckson]

Abuse, neglect, genetics, all of the above?

[Steve Davy]

If you've ever met someone and thought - I just want to get far away from this asshole as soon as possible - then you know what it's like to meet Stan.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31856
Hang Glider Crash:

Jim Steel - 2014/09/22 19:05:41 UTC

I swear sometimes it would be better that the pilot let the glider fly itself to the ground and land on wheels. Seriously, if you have a large relatively smooth LZ try to use a longggg final, relax and land on your wheels. It's safer. In any case have wings level; even if you land in bushes or trees

Mike Bomstad - 2014/09/22 20:04:40 UTC

No thanks, they are not safer:
Example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uaUhkxTAPo

WHOA! I NEVER considered that! You could come into a large relatively smooth LZ for a wheel landing, one of your cheap piece of shit wheel mountings could disintegrate, and you could get a finger half taken off by a stainless steel capped valve stem on the wheel you installed with the stainless steel capped valve stem!

From now one I'm not even gonna think about wheel landings 'cause nothing bad ever happens to foot landers...



'Cept, of course, for the stupid twats who haven't bothered to perfect their flare timing.

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Off the scale stupid goddam twat.

Jason Boehm - 2014/09/22 20:06:07 UTC

this guy couldn't even fly in a straight line........

1. I usually edit down the idiot strings of periods you feel compelled to include at the end of damn near every line of text you write to spare my readers a small portion of your stupid obnoxiousness. Fifty-three characters, only forty-five of which AREN'T the period string. And, of course, the fuckin' shift key remains far outside of the realm of your comprehension.

2. Yeah, he could fly in a straight line - until he stalled.

3. How come his fuckin' douchebag instructor keeps getting a total pass from all you fuckin' douchebags?

want to be safer. be a pilot, know from the get go who is in charge

Learn to write at a second grade level before spewing out your idiot useless or worse advice.

Karl Allmendinger - 2014/09/22 20:21:32 UTC

If there is very much wind, letting the glider fly itself will usually result in a downwind landing. It's the wind gradient. This can use up a lot of what seemed to be a really big LZ and make for a higher speed, and much higher energy, touchdown.

Thanks, Karl. I'll make a point of flying the glider myself during all future landings.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31858
Learned several valuable lessons, the hard way

Tom Lyon - 2014/09/23 02:36:20 UTC

Glad it wasn't worse. I know that many disagree with the idea of spot landing contests for this reason. Competition often overcomes judgment.

A spot landing contest isn't a competition. It's just a mild form of Russian roulette.

Landing is THE most dangerous phase of hang glider flight and with these stupid spot landing contests and requirements for ratings instituted by the sociopaths who control the sport the danger is just multiplied. Landing is the time when safety margins need to be maximized. This bullshit just cuts them down to nonexistent. ANY adjustment to hit a traffic cone is a compromise. The only way I'd ever consider doing a spot landing is if I were wearing cleats and there were a Davis/Rooney type lying in the field badly injured and face up.

Fuck you, Jason.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31884
Sad Loss to the Entire Free-Flight Community

NMERider - 2014/09/30 16:25:19 UTC

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5545
"Jedi" Joe Julik - Gone But Never Forgotten

Tiffany Smith - 2014/09/30 15:28 UTC
Villa Grove

It is with a very heavy heart that I share the news of our beloved Jedi-Joe's [Joseph Julik] passing. Even as I write this I still can't believe that he's gone....so surreal....so sudden....so unfair. He meant a lot to a lot of people, spreading smiles and laughter wherever he went, would give you the shirt off his back, cook 3 meals a day for an army of many, hug you like he meant it.....this is such a terrible loss.

Joe had been at Whitewater, MN all weekend, towing and flying his happy head off. Sunday night he made a deal to purchase a Topless glider.....he was landing his first flight on it Monday morning when he stalled after transition and couldn't recover....landed hard.

Joe was instrumental in Fly Week....we couldn't have done 2012 or 2014 without him. But more than anything, he was instrumental in our lives and in our hearts. He was like family to us, and one of the best friends Larry has ever had....and like a second husband to me, we always joked about that. He brought so much joy to our lives, and he will be hugely missed.

Memorial services will be in MN, though we're not sure exactly when yet. Larry and I will be heading that way soon.....I will keep this thread posted in the event anyone wants to make the trek.

RIP to one of the best guys this planet has ever known......

Whoa! You posted a photo of a dead pilot?! That doesn't contribute anything, it serves no fucking purpose whatsoever other than you getting your rocks off. It's disgusting!

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Jim Rooney - 2013/03/07 18:24:58 UTC

It's disgusting and you need to stop.

And you need to stop.

Walt Conklin - 2014/09/30 16:57:19 UTC

Very sad news. Fly high my Brother and blue skies all around.

Well, he died doing what he loved.

Dave Pendzick - 2014/09/30 17:11:05 UTC

Terrible news, so sorry for his family & friends. Is this an appropriate place to discuss the details of the incident?

Fuck no! This happened yesterday and there were two posts before yours. IT'S BEEN BEATEN BEYOND RECOGNITION!!! DROP IT!

Nate Wreyford - 2014/09/30 17:21:38 UTC

"....landed hard"

Sounds more like a crash.

Sometimes it's hard to tell.

Tough way to learn you may have transitioned gliders too soon or flown too slow.

Nah, let's stay with the glider. Probably had full VG on.

Just like Adam P learned the hard way, clear your airspace.

Nah, Adam P sacrificed his life to save that of the glider below him. A less altruistic and noble pilot would've just gonna ahead and plowed into him.

Let it be a constant reminder to all that it takes just one bad decision.

Nah. This wasn't just one bad decision. This was a flying career's worth of bad decisions - the last of which caught up with him bigtime.

Stay safe and Joe, rest in peace.

Yeah Joe, rest in peace. Sounds like a real blast.

Dave Pendzick - 2014/09/30 17:33:27 UTC

Well, there may be more info than that. Was he flying slow...

Nah, when he went upright he pulled in way too much. High speed stall.

...or trying to make it into a tight spot???

Yeah. Right.

There may have been a dust devel or some other weird factor that could have contributed to this.

Hey! I'll bet nobody thought of that one! Nothing like an invisible dust devil to explain away fatalities of people doing the same stupid shit that everybody else does and crashes gliders left and right. Might be a bit tougher to pull it off given that this was a morning flight - but there's very little in the way of total bullshit you can't get away with when dealing with glider people.

I would like to hear from someone who was there.

Really?

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Jim Rooney - 2013/03/07 18:24:58 UTC

You're the one advocating change here, not me.
I'm fine.

These are only questions if you're advocating change. Which I'm not. You are.

You're the one speculating on Zack's death... not me.
Hell, you've even already come to your conclusions... you've made up your mind and you "know" what happened and what to do about.
It's disgusting and you need to stop.
You weren't there. You don't know.
All you have is the tug pilot report, who himself says he doesn't know... and HE WAS THERE... and he doesn't know.

Ever heard of "Confirmation Bias"?
Because you're a textbook example.
You were out looking for data to support your preconceived conclusion, rather than looking at the data and seeing what it tells you... which is why this is the first time we've heard from you and your gang.

Go back to Tad's hole in the ground.
While you're there, ask him why he was banned from every east coast flying site.

You're still stupid enough to think you can get good information from people who were "there"?

Rich Jesuroga - 2014/09/30 19:57:19 UTC
Salida

There are no words to describe how hard this has hit all of us in the Villa Grove flying community. Jedi was such a huge part of Larry and Tiffany's life, and a great friend to all of us. It's gonna take a long time to heal from Joe's loss.

How long's it gonna take you to address the issue of why he died?

Jason Boehm - 2014/09/30 20:04:56 UTC

Very sad to hear. Never met him, but damn if he doesn't look happy in that picture.

Wow! You used the shift key and eliminated your nauseating strings of periods for this one. I'm REALLY impressed!

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=12682
Landing on your feet (for AEROTOW)- So Dangerous

Jason Boehm - 2009/06/29 03:51:02 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLyT34MVHog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9222zxFb_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InzYS6tjWCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RCf7dtH5x8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDvQOFifPlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zYjr_NKDbM

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/06/29 14:26:26 UTC

OMG!!! You dont even have wheels!!?!?!?!?
YOURE GONNA DIE FOR SUUUUREE!!!!

I have a brilliant idea. People who cant land for sh*t.... LEARN TO LAND That way when a weak link breaks on you, ITS A NON-ISSUE. Genius huh???

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/06/29 15:51:26 UTC

Yes ive landed there many times.

But but but... youre only supposed to fly at aero-tow parks with perfectly level and mowed/groomed grass! Did you miss the memo??!?!

Suck my dick. Go ahead, Jack...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=14410
Wallaby fatality

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/11/16 17:01:31 UTC

Nooooooooooooo!

Say something.

Jim Rowan - 2014/09/30 22:18:38 UTC

My condolences to Joe's family and friends. Another sky-brother I won't get to meet or share air with in this world. RIP, my unknown friend!

Hopefully you'll be meeting him real soon in the next. I'll be pulling for ya.

P.S. Either this guy was unrated - which, seeing as how he would almost certainly have had to have aerotowed to get in a position to land at Whitewater (Wisconsin, not Minnesota by the way) - or USHGA did a really excellent job of wiping him off the database real fast.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.startribune.com/local/277600661.html
Hang-gliding accident in southern Wisconsin kills Minnesota man | Star Tribune

Article by: Associated Press Updated: 2014/09/30 18:45

COLD SPRING, Wis. - Sheriff's officials say a Minnesota man has died in a hang-gliding accident in southern Wisconsin.

Authorities say 57-year-old of Joseph Julik of Taylors Falls, Minnesota, was hang gliding at an airport north of Whitewater on Monday when his glider caught a wind shear, which caused it to pitch to one side and nosedive about 100 feet.

Jefferson County Sheriff's Chief Deputy Jeff Parker says the wingtip of Julik's glider struck another glider that was tethered to the ground, causing the aircraft to flip over.

Parker tells the Daily Union (http://bit.ly/1u8VgaQ) Julik was visiting a friend in Whitewater and the pair had been hang gliding the past several days at Gutzmer's Twin Oaks Airport, which is home to the Whitewater Hang Gliding Club.

He says Julik was experienced in the sport.

Dust devel induced wing shear - that explains everything.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31884
Sad Loss to the Entire Free-Flight Community

Chico_MON - 2014/10/01 01:19:01 UTC
Racine

Daily Union Story regarding Joe

http://www.dailyunion.com/news/article_bb5398ec-48b0-11e4-9cc3-001a4bcf6878.html

Prefrontal gusts may have also contributed to test flying. I was not there Monday. Flew with Joe Friday through Sunday. We thermaled together, bbqued, laughed.

I am fortunate to have met Joe. Although I had only known him for 3 years, we did enjoy some grand moments, with no regrets. We flew, we laughed, we drank. He gave me compliments on my grilling recipes; kidded me on my too serious nature, but all in fun. He could dish it out and take it back. I will miss him very much.

Tiberiu Szollosi - 2014/10/01 01:30:19 UTC

Well said Chico, the prefrontal gusts were present without a question and contributing factor.

A CONTRIBUTING factor.

greenleader - 2014/10/01 01:47:16 UTC
Minnesota

Really sorry to hear this. I met Joe at the CFW only this year. I found him gregarious, funny and easy-going. I was hoping to catch some flying with him at Frontenac, our local site this fall.

A front had come though yesterday morning with rain, but it cleared out and looked like a good day at Frontenac; the winds were 010 at 12 knots yesterday afternoon, while it was still pre-frontal at Whitewater.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings

Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC

I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.

Bingo.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31884
Sad Loss to the Entire Free-Flight Community



Hey Raven Sky Sports...

Really appreciate the great job you did of letting the Entire Free-Flight Community know what happened to precipitate this Sad Loss to the Entire Free-Flight Community.

With the scraps that have filtered though to us unworthy muppets we can make a pretty safe bet that at a hundred feet Joe rotated to upright and positioned his hands at shoulder or ear height where he couldn't control the glider or get any speed so that he wouldn't hafta make the dangerous transition low on final or suffer the humiliation that goes with rolling or bellying in, got blasted by some nasty turbulence and turned downwind with his hands at shoulder or ear height where he couldn't control the glider, and plowed into a parked glider and the ground.

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5545
"Jedi" Joe Julik - Gone But Never Forgotten

Tiffany Smith - 2014/09/30 15:28
Villa Grove

It is with a very heavy heart that I share the news of our beloved Jedi-Joe's [Joseph Julik] passing. Even as I write this I still can't believe that he's gone....so surreal....so sudden....so unfair.

No Tiffany, it was TOTALLY *FAIR* - just like everything else that happens in aviation. If you think any glider crash is unfair then it would be a real good idea for you to find another hobby. Landing planes is DANGEROUS and if you keep fucking around with stupid control compromises for the purpose of pulling off stupid stunt landings long enough...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22176
Paragliding Collapses

Jim Rooney - 2011/06/12 13:57:58 UTC

Most common HG injury... spiral fracture of the humerus.

...you can COUNT on getting bit hard or REAL hard. And you total fuckin' douchebags are all gonna keep right on doing the same thing and eternally expecting better results.

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So far NO ONE - either on the moronic Jack Show or in your shitty little Rocky Mountain club - has suggested that anything be done DIFFERENTLY to obtain DIFFERENT results. And note the conspicuous silence coming from Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney - the Davis Show Patron Saint of Landings.

Good luck the next time Mother Nature rears her ugly head and dumps some more fairness on your crowd.

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Fuckin' bulletproof.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17166
Accident at Whitewater

Rich Jesuroga - 2014/10/03 02:24:03 UTC

It would seem that the recent fatality of "Jedi" Joe Julik has been mistakenly linked to this older thread.

1. It has been now.
2. What the hell. You've seen one Whitewater fatality, you've seen 'em all.

Joe Julik was killed at Whitewater Flight Park this past Monday, September 29, 2014, while test flying a new-to-him topless glider. Apparently Joe towed up...

That towing shit is dangerous.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1582
Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Rick Masters - 2014/10/02 00:27:03 UTC

*A lot of you guys love towing. I hate it. It kills a disproportionate number of good pilots. And it's often used when it's not necessary.

I hate it. It kills a disproportionate number of good pilots. And it's often used when it's not necessary.

...flew...

So far, so good...

...and while on approach to landing got too slow and was turned downwind.

So when he took his hands off the control bar to reposition them for stunt landing mode and stopped flying things started getting ugly?

He crashed hard,,,

I thought he just landed hard.

...and died of a severe head injury.

No fuckin' way. He was upright, correct? So he must've just gotten severe injuries to his legs.

This is all third hand so maybe someone who witnessed the crash can post up.

Any thoughts on why none of the motherfuckers who witnessed the crash HAVEN'T posted up at this point?

Joe was a very dear friend to so many of us. There are no words that can adequately describe how big of a loss this is.

There are also no words adequately describing the stupidity and insanity of going upright and to the downtubes when the ground is close and getting inexorably closer.

Memorial services for Joe will be held this Sunday, October 5th, 2014 at Grandstrand Funeral Home, 941 State Rd 35, Osceola, WI 54020

Where do you think the next ones are gonna be?

RIP Brother

Yeah, sure.