The Bob Show

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Phil Sergent (BigBird) - 2014/11/12 14:16:55 UTC

Wow!!! You've got some cojones!!! Good job!!

On this... Yeah.

I still don't understand how the police even took this seriously??? Why did they say you had to leave, what was their reason? Something I do understand is those who think they are 'entitled' in our sport - don't get between them and their entitlement!!! I've been wanting to fly Torrey Pines for a while now but I think I'd be walking on eggshells while I was there.

Try an aerotow operation sometime. You hafta know what to look for 'cause everybody will be doing the same things but they're all horror shows.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Hey rigderunner... Just how many times in the course of the past couple decades did Dangerous Dave's helmet come in useful? And were there any times that he crashed on landing and bent or broke something that he wouldn't have if he'd been coming in on wheels in those situations?

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Brian McMahon - 2014/11/12 15:51:45 UTC

The flight director has the ability to stop someone from flying or doing something unsafe, like fly a stringed kite, running around in the LZ, launching in a 20mph downwind, etc. He doesn't have the ability to eject anybody from the park, and the lease clearly states that.

Anyway, Bob was charged with PC 602, the details of which are available here:

http://www.shouselaw.com/trespass.html
California Criminal Trespass & Trespassing Laws | Penal Code 602 PC

From look at the code itself, there is no way they will be able to convict him of the charge.

The whole thing boils down to whether Bob was on someone else's private property. He wasn't, he was in a city owned public park. The operator of the concession does not pay rent and does not have any ownership rights granted in the lease. He has a free lease to operate the flight training activities and run his joyride business. There is no part of the park that is private property, with the possible exception of the buildings, and even that is unclear. None of this incident took place in any of the buildings.

But the Gliderport thugs wanted him arrested for trespassing so he got arrested for trespassing by a couple of America's Finest.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32059
Torrey Incident, should USHPA get involved?

Davis Straub - 2014/11/12 16:06:00 UTC

The video speaks for itself. Sometimes even assholes have a point.

How 'bout this asshole...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15716
weak links

Davis Straub - 2009/04/26 22:05:31 UTC

Tad obviously completely lacks social intelligence and probably a few other forms of intelligence. Also, he obviously has other mental health issues.

Also his reasoning is circular and when cornered breaks out in outrageous jumps, pulling dead rabbits from flatten hats.

But on the reasonable level I think that we can all agree that weaklinks should be as strong as possible without compromising their function which is to keep the hang glider from being broken by tow forces (and therefore hurting the pilot).

Tad doesn't agree, but the rest of us no doubt do, that we are in a partnership with the tug pilot, and that he needs to be protected also, and therefore our weaklink has to be less than his.

I'll check my weaklinks once again, to see if they are about 1.5 G.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31717
Weak link?

Davis Straub - 2014/08/20 19:48:26 UTC

Many of us are now using 200 lb test line from Cortland.

...Davis? Did I have a point?

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31747
Lockout

Davis Straub - 2014/09/01 15:22:41 UTC

I can tell you that I fly with a 200lb weaklink on one side of my 750lb pro tow bridle. I am happy with it.

Have you checked the 200 yet? 'Cause if your 130 was 1.5 Gs like you were saying then your 200 is 2.3. And God only knows what that will do to your tug pilot partner's protection. I'm guessing he'll be dead before he makes it to twenty feet. Or are you so happy with your 200 that you no longer give a flying fuck about your partner?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32059
Torrey Incident, should USHPA get involved?

Timothy Ward - 2014/11/12 16:19:59 UTC
Mira Loma

"Forget it, Jake... it's Chinatown."

Dennis Cavagnaro - 2014/11/12 16:24:43 UTC

He needs an intervention but, not from ushgpa.
This is medical....

Go fuck yourself, Dennis.

Dave Jacob - 2014/11/12 16:34:22 UTC
Fremont

I might have met Bob at Funston this summer. If it was the same guy...

It was.

...he was friendly and courteous during his visit. From the sound of this board, however, he has gotten under the skin of a lot of pilots from past activities.

Name some people who've done shit for this sport that haven't gotten under other people's skin. If you're not getting under the skin of a lot of the assholes who infest this sport, if you're a friend to every pilot you meet, you're not doing squat.

Still, the man doesn't lose his rights just because people don't like him.

That's what rights are for - people who aren't liked. The ones who are don't need them.

He may or may not be good for the sport but violating his rights escalates the situation to an entirely new level that is definitely bad for the sport.

Why? I see it as the best possible thing for hang gliding at Torrey. I hope the people who violated his rights get their asses sued off.

I think the PG instructor, the concessionaire, the "thug" and others should be given a chance to speak but as things appear at present, they need address their own actions.

No, asshole. Somebody else really needs to address their actions.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32059
Torrey Incident, should USHPA get involved?

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/12 16:47:20 UTC

Davis Straub - 2014/11/12 16:06:00 UTC

The video speaks for itself. Sometimes even assholes have a point.

Good point.

Wish I'd thought of doing that.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32059
Torrey Incident, should USHPA get involved?

Dennis Cavagnaro - 2014/11/12 17:24:27 UTC

I would say this about the torrey seen.

Great start. I can tell already that it's gonna be really well and carefully thought out.

I don't know what Cals stand your ground laws are but, if that MFer came that close to me he would have been disabled.

Assuming he wasn't bigger, stronger, better armed than you were.

Now if I am seeing this as a regular city citizen I would vote to shut down the site until the pilots (all pilots) show they can get along.

Yeah, sure. If you've got a bunch of thugs controlling a site on public park property, violating laws, assaulting people for taking pictures you should punish all pilots until they show that they can get along with the thugs.

Bobs craziness on the side...

Bob's totally fuckin' certifiable. But there wasn't the slightest bit of expression or relevance of that in this incident.

the behavior of the Jebbs and other management at that site is a blight for PGing.

Fuck PGing. PGing didn't have a goddam thing to do with anything. He could've been filming them running a hang glider lesson or shown up with a paragliding rig in his trunk instead of a glider on the racks.

Maybe the Jebbs would have a different tone if they faced consequences of their actions.

Ya think? Ya think if THEY were hauled off in handcuffs and thrown in jail where they belong that would send some kind of message?

I'm a pilot and I know pilots can be very tough to organize and manage.

Not when you have guys with guns, prosecutors, and judges and juries doing their fucking jobs.

That said I can't think of anyone doing it worse at this time then the Torrey operation.

But there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of outrage from either the paragliding community or the USHGpA, does there?

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Alan Deikman - 2014/11/12 17:36:52 UTC

And also apparently not the authority to keep someone from doing flight ops without a helmet. Go figure.

I seriously doubt that the responding officers ever had any intention of convicting him of anything.

Responding officers don't convict anyone of anything. Judges and juries do.

Their priority would be to defuse a conflict situation...

Oh. That's their job? And here I was thinking it was law enforcement.

...and a charge even though it is easily thrown out gives them cause to take the annoying party...

Who's that? The guy taking pictures at a public park or the thugs harassing, bullying, and physically assaulting the guy taking pictures at the public park?

...into custody and out of the immediate situation.

Yeah, let's arrest, handcuff, charge, and imprison innocent law abiding people to take them out of immediate situations precipitated by lawless thugs. A lot easier doing things that way. Or, hell, just open fire on them like at Kent State.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Russ Brown - 2014/11/12 18:11:15 UTC

Bob's City Council Speech

Could somebody please explain to me why Bob got a big cheer from the crowd at the end of his city council speech?
Thanks

It's kinda like a hook-in check, tow release, or weak link. If you need to have it explained to you there's virtually no chance you're gonna be able to understand.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/12 16:19:49 UTC

Phil Sergent - 2014/11/12 14:16:55 UTC

I've been wanting to fly Torrey Pines for a while now but I think I'd be walking on eggshells while I was there.

You'll no doubt have a much more relaxed time if you don't show up with Bob, pick stronger conditions, and don't take photos. Although you could get free room and board the other way.

eagle - 2014/11/12 16:46:00 UTC

Wake UP Brown Nose
Co-signing the Gliderport's illegal Acts doesn't Solve any Problems or get You Cudos from the Locals & Victims ~
If YOU'RE Backing the Gliderport, You're part of the Problem ...
Get a Clue & Have a Good Day

Learn to read - and think.

Phil Sergent - 2014/11/12 16:49:08 UTC

What, no GoPro on my glider or the wife taking pictures of me flying????? Is this a top secret site or something?? I've never heard of such tight requirements. BTW, Bob offered to introduce me to the site so I'll take him up on his generous offer (I might just put my full-face helmet on a little earlier than normal). I would opt for great flying conditions too, but then don't we always wish for primo conditions.

Phil

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/12 17:56:49 UTC

I want to publicly thank Margie for being my hero. She came down to Torrey on a moment's notice to take my vehicle and possessions (including my cell phone, wallet, and everything else that the police would have otherwise confiscated and possibly searched). Margie also bailed me out at 3am in the morning or I might still be in jail. Thanks Margie!!!!

Just ten off those things? You probably could've shoehorned in another five if you'd really tried.

Thank you Joe. Kind words from USHGA #5 are always welcome!! Your insightful and thoughtful analysis of everything is a treat to witness.

Thanks Eagle. That's why I felt it was time to take it to the next level. This will bring it to a courtroom.

Thanks BigBird!! But let me be clear that I was scared. I was very scared. I was scared to the point of shaking. Courage isn't a lack of fear. It's having a conviction that's so strong that you can do what's right even in the face of fear.

I think there is some form of "behind the scenes" corruption at Torrey.

Ya think? Ya think there's some form of "behind the scenes" corruption in Canada that got my Vancouver Sun hook-in check article scrubbed on 2012/05/07 and replaced with a load crap about a bunch of HPAC motherfuckers planting a cherry blossom tree at the impact site?

In the past few years the police have always said that anyone is free to take pictures of anything as long as they're not interfering. But this time, the police went inside the building for quite some time (maybe half an hour or more). When they came out, they took a different position, and that's when they gave me the ultimatum to leave or be arrested. The only reason they've given me was supposedly "trespassing". Now this is a City Park, and the lease says "The general public shall not be wholly or permanently excluded from any portion of the premises." I've also paid a fee to use that park. So "trespassing" is quite a stretch. I don't think it will stand up in court, and I'm hopeful that will establish a precedent that will stop the abusive harassment that Eagle has mentioned above.

Probably not unless you sue some asses off.

Phil Sergent - 2014/11/12 14:16:55 UTC

I've been wanting to fly Torrey Pines for a while now but I think I'd be walking on eggshells while I was there.

Let us know when you're coming, and we'll try to have other Torrey Hawks there. Part of the problem in this case is that I was pretty much all alone. In the past, there have been more other Hawks present, and they were able to be witnesses to the police.

So was your iPhone. But they didn't wanna see it.

But this was a very light flying day, and attendance was very light as well.

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/12 16:19:49 UTC

You'll no doubt have a much more relaxed time if you don't show up with Bob, pick stronger conditions and don't take photos.

Giving in to tyranny is never the solution. We have a right to be in our San Diego City Parks, and we have a right to take photographs in our San Diego City Parks.

He knows that, Bob.

eagle - 2014/11/12 16:46:00 UTC

Wake UP Brown Nose

Thanks Eagle for your own fight against tyranny at Torrey since before I even met you. I am hopeful that Brian's comments weren't intended as you've taken them. Time will tell who is right.

Try reading and thinking. Might take a lot less time.

Thanks Phil. As you imply, the implications of not allowing photography are ... ridiculous.

You weren't charged with taking pictures.

Thanks also for being willing to stand with us when you next fly at Torrey. You understand that the Torrey Hawks aren't about "flying under the radar". We're about standing up and asserting our rights openly. Thanks very much for joining us, and I look forward to flying with you at Torrey and anywhere else!!

flyingbrian - 2014/11/12 18:20:19 UTC

Bob, thanks for standing up for our rights.

Our use permit at Hat Creek Rim had a non-exclusionary clause as well. You had every right to be there. I hope truth and justice prevails on your court date.

Brian McMahon - 2014/11/12 18:24:26 UTC

I just wanted to mention that I wish I could edit my original post. After seeing the video, talking to Bob, and checking Penal Code 602 for California, there is no way Bob is guilty of Trespassing. The police must have been misled into believing that Robin and/or others had the authority to eject someone from the park.

Or they got their dicks sucked.

The police officers don't understand the lease, they just see the operators as the 'owners' of the site.

Trespassing aside, Bob did not initiate a confrontation by saying anything to anyone. I understand why Gabe got mad, but you don't get a license to push, shove, or order someone around because you're pissed off that they are recording you.

Apparently you do. And there seems to be a fair amount of support for that option on the forums.

If Bob had been out there heckling Gabe, it would be different...

Not much.

...but he was only silently recording. Gabe could have stopped the class and taken a break. He could have quietly asked Bob what the problem was. He could have gone to Robin and talked about it.

Or he could've just kept on doing his job.

Yet got mad because Bob would not leave the area and got in Bob's face. If you know Bob, you know he doesn't back down. The whole incident is regrettable...

No.

...but you've got two sides that don't want to back down.

On side didn't hafta back. That side approached to the point of physical assault.

If this incident proves anything, it proves that the site needs city government oversight of some kind (beyond calling the police).

How 'bout the police arresting the right people?

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/12 18:38:37 UTC

Brian, your comment cuts right to the heart of the matter.
It's an honor to have you as our President of the Torrey Hawks.

The US Hawks is intended to bring pilots together from across the country to help each other preserve their ability to fly.

'Cept for Tad. Gotta keep The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.

Thanks for joining us!!!

Fuck you anyway, Bob.

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/12 19:12:18 UTC

Sorry for the misunderstanding, that's just my sick sarcastic sense of humor.

You didn't have anything to apologize for. It was totally clear to anyone with a functional brain who bothered to take the time to really read it.

I'm in Bob's corner on this. It's the reason I registered here and posted a topic that got deleted on the org.

Which Bob should've known about.

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/12 17:56:49 UTC

Giving in to tyranny is never the solution.

Amen

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Dan DeWeese - 2014/11/12 18:54:49 UTC

They dont know him.

They know him - asshole. I know him as well as anyone on the planet knows him and I hate his guts. But I'd have had to have been clapping along with them on this one.

Jim Gaar - 2014/11/12 18:55:22 UTC

Wrong is wrong

And that's never bothered you in the least - pigfucker.

Because it appears that his AV material backed up his story and for all the audience knows he is just one of them. I think Bob is crazy at times but I'm on his side in this one...

Gawd I hate being on the same page with scum like this.

Brian McMahon - 2014/11/12 19:15:30 UTC

Bob is a regular at the City council meetings, they all know him by name. He's also met with two mayors, the current and last mayor. The current mayor is deferring any Torrey site related requests to the council member whose district it belongs to. Unfortunately, that council member just couldn't care less about what's going on at Torrey.

Bought off, more likely.

[Tad Eareckson]

Just wanna remind you Jack Show dipshits...

http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
HG ORG Mission Statement - Hang Gliding Wiki

HangGliding.Org Rules and Policies

No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.

That doesn't mean "No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material." That means "No POSITIVE posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material." That's the action of a total coward.

If Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people were ACTUALLY all poison to this sport Jack would be ENCOURAGING posts from all corners about them - negative to help build a consensus and positive so's the points and arguments could be demolished.

I've been in a real slump since realizing that Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney would never post anywhere ever again. Seeing a fresh one of his in a discussion on anything was like Christmas 'cause whatever he was gonna say there was a mathematical certainty that it was gonna flatly contradict at least a half dozen of his previous statements. He didn't have two percent of the IQ he needed to make a halfway successful liar.

Anyway, hope you're enjoying all babbling to each other under the control of a sociopath who's gonna make sure nobody ever puts him in a bad light and will thus make sure you never accomplish anything of any substance.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/12 19:12:18 UTC

eagle - 2014/11/12 11:10:13 UTC

I watched SDPD arrive, I'm Sure I would been arrested upon speaking Out or filming the incident.

I can't honestly say I'd have done anything different. But now that it's said and done, don't you kinda wish you had?

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/12 20:13:39 UTC

Thanks Brian. I sort of figured that...

You "SORT OF" figured that? That one looks pretty binary to me, Bob.

...and that's why I tried to smooth things a bit.

Great political operating, Bob. Stay in the gray no matter what.

Both yourself and Eagle are good men, and we need good men to come together if we want to save hang gliding.

No chicks? Or kids? Thought you made The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.

Thanks to you both.

We may not have a lot of people here on the US Hawks, but the people we have are some of the best.

And then you've got assholes like Sam Kellner and Charlie Schneider to keep the average where it belongs.

Thanks for joining us.

I can't honestly say I'd have done anything different...

We are all human, and we all have our moments of fear and our moments of courage.

Didn't you just say something about fear and courage not being opposites? What's the antonym for courage, Bob?

In my opinion, everyone on this forum is showing courage because it puts you in the sights of Jack (hanggliding.org) and Davis (ozreport.com).

1. Don't forget Tad, Bob. I'd like to crush you as well.

2. Bullshit. Neither of those assholes could care less about who signs up of there. It's blindingly obvious they don't even make the slightest effort to monitor anything. If you wanna see REAL hatred...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Kinsley Sykes - 2013/02/11 17:46:12 UTC

Because this has been beaten to death - google Tad Eareckson and try to read the mind-numbing BS. Most of the folks who have been towing for decades have worked this stuff out.

The reason for the vehemence of the response is they pile on to any AT accident, with no knowledge of the cause, and trot out the, if only he had a strong weaklink, nothing would have happened.

It's fine to want to work on better solutions to make us all safer by improving technology, it's ugly and inhuman to use the death of a really nice guy to advance your point... in case it wasn't obvious I agree with Bart and Jim, and no it's not a lack of english comprehension - he said there would have been a different outcome with a stronger weaklink.

Jim Rooney - 2013/02/11 19:22:18 UTC

Of course not... it's Asshole-ese.

Sorry, I'm sick and tired of all these soap box bullshit assheads that feel the need to spout their shit at funerals. I just buried my friend and you're seizing the moment to preach your bullshit? GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!

I can barely stand these pompus asswipes on a normal day.

William Olive - 2013/02/11 20:42:14 UTC

Just when you think Tad's left the building...

Jim Rooney - 2013/03/07 18:24:58 UTC

You're the one advocating change here, not me.
I'm fine.

These are only questions if you're advocating change. Which I'm not. You are.

You're the one speculating on Zack's death... not me.
Hell, you've even already come to your conclusions... you've made up your mind and you "know" what happened and what to do about.
It's disgusting and you need to stop.
You weren't there. You don't know.
All you have is the tug pilot report, who himself says he doesn't know... and HE WAS THERE... and he doesn't know.

Ever heard of "Confirmation Bias"?
Because you're a textbook example.
You were out looking for data to support your preconceived conclusion, rather than looking at the data and seeing what it tells you... which is why this is the first time we've heard from you and your gang.

Go back to Tad's hole in the ground.
While you're there, ask him why he was banned from every east coast flying site.

They would both like to crush the US Hawks, so everyone here is standing up for freedom of...

...Bob approved...

...speech. Thanks to all!!

Go fuck yourself. Get back to me after you've expressed your gratitude and trust by sharing control with one other person.