You are NEVER hooked in.

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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31977
Big Thanks to the CHGPA
psydor - 2014/10/21 22:31:08 UTC
North Carolina

I want to send out my thanks to the CHGPA members that helped me enjoy a wonderful and safe flight at Woodstock on Sunday October 19th. It was my first visit to the site. The trees were in full fall color and the soaring was awesome!

Jon B. - Thank you for answering my phone call for assistance and getting me in touch with the CHGPA club.
John M. - Thank you for all of the site information and for walking me through the LZ.
You walked through that LZ and still had the time and endurance to go flying? So what did your learn?
Jim M. - Thank you for offering to drive me to the LZ and back.
Valerie - Thank you for the ride to the launch and for wire crew.
Greg - Thank you for wire crew.
Andrew - Thank you for wire crew and for pointing out that I was not in my leg loops!
No big fuckin' deal. You were gonna catch that on the hook-in check they were gonna insist you do just prior to launch. CHGA has been pretty rabid about that ever since Bill Priday ran off the ramp at Whitwell without his glider nine years and eighteen days prior to your flight.
I had a great day thanks to the generosity and expertise of CHGPA members!
Fuck the generosity and expertise of CHGPA members.
Paul from Richmond aka Paul from Raleigh
Keep up the great work Paul from Richmond aka Paul from Raleigh. And do say hi to Steve Exceptionally-Knowledgeable Wendt - your ace instructor, no doubt, for me.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25963
Woman killed in B.C. hang gliding fall.
Paul Hurless - 2014/10/02 19:25:42 UTC

Expressing an opinion, as I am doing here, is one thing, making pronouncements about the only way things should be done and that doing them any other way is wrong is something else entirely.
You mean like?:

http://ozreport.com/12.081
Weaklinks - the HGFA rules
Davis Straub - 2008/04/22 14:47:00 UTC

Here is the requirement from the 2007 Worlds local rules (which I wrote) for weaklinks:
Appropriate aerotow bridles

Competitors must use appropriate aerotow bridles as determined by the Meet Director and Safety Director and their designated officials. Bridles must include secondary releases (as determined by the Safety Director). Bridles must be able to be connected to the tow line within two seconds. The only appropriate bridles can be found here: http://www.ozreport.com/9.039#0 and http://ozreport.com/9.041#2.

Pilots who have not already had their bridles inspected during the practice days must bring their bridles to the mandatory pilot safety briefing and have them reviewed. Pilots with inappropriate bridles may purchase appropriate bridles from the meet organizer.

Weaklinks

Pilots must use weaklinks provided by the meet organizers and in a manner approved by the meet organizers. All weaklinks will be checked and use of inappropriate weaklinks will require the pilot to go to the end of the launch line to change the weaklink.

Weaklinks will consist of a single loop of Cortland 130 lb Greenspot braided Dacron Tolling line http://www.cortlandline.com/catalog/braid.html and should be placed at one end of a shoulder bridle. The tow forces on the weaklink will be roughly divided in half by this placement. Pilots will be shown how to tie the weaklink so that it more likely breaks at its rating breaking strength.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/25 21:40:25 UTC

Weaklink material... exactly what Davis said.

It's no mystery.
It's only a mystery why people choose to reinvent the wheel when we've got a proven system that works.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 06:04:23 UTC

Take this weaklink nonsense.
What do I "advocate"?
I don't advocate shit... I *USE* 130 test lb, greenspun cortland braided fishing line.
It is industry standard.
It is what *WE* use.

If someone's got a problem with it... we've got over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND TANDEM TOWS and COUNTLESS solo tows that argue otherwise. So they can politely get stuffed.

As my friend likes to say... "Sure, it works in reality... but does it work in theory?"
Hahahahhaa... I like that one a lot ;)
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 07:22:00 UTC

I don't suffer fools lightly.
I also do not suffer armchair experts... lightly or otherwise.
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 07:51:12 UTC

Have we explored everything?
No. Of course not.

BUT YOU"RE LATE!
Your ideas have already been hashed through.

This is why this is an affront to ego.
See, people don't like to hear that their special little idea has already been thrown out even before they bring it up.

But that's the gods honest truth.

This is what I'm talking about when I politely inform people that they're not going to be informing me about towing.
It's not that I think I'm "all that"... it's that I've spent more time discussing this shit with people that know what the hell they're talking about then you have time discussing anything about hang gliding at all.

You're late to the game.
Your special little idea's already been discussed... a long long time ago.
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 08:24:31 UTC

Thought I already answered that one... instead of quoting myself (have a look back if you don't believe me), I'll just reiterate it.

I don't advocate anything.
I use what we use at the flight parks. It's time tested and proven... and works a hell of a lot better than all the other bullshit I've seen out there.

130lb greenspot (greenspun?) cortland fishing line.
In stock at Quest, Highland, Eastern Shore, Kitty Hawk Kites, Florida Ridge, and I'm pretty sure Wallaby, Lookout and Morningside.
Not sure what Tracy up at Cloud Nine uses, but I'll put bets on the same.

Did I miss any?
Is it clear what I mean by "We"?
I didn't make the system up.
And I'm not so arrogant to think that my precious little ideas are going to magically revolutionise the industry.
There are far smarter people than me working this out.
I know, I've worked with them.
(Bobby's a fucking genius when it comes to this shit... for example.)
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 10:11:31 UTC

Oh, btw... before you go there, cuz it is where you're headed... please note the word "Guidelines".

As I said.
Been through this shit a million freaking times.
Please quit trying to educate me about my job.
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/28 08:34:12 UTC

Yeah, I've read that drivel before.
It's a load of shit.
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/28 10:15:12 UTC

Any time someone starts in on this "sole purpose" bullshit, it's cuz they're arguing for stronger weaklinks cuz they're breaking them and are irritated by the inconvenience. I've heard it a million times and it's a load of shit. After they've formed their opinion, then they go in search of arguments that support their opinion.
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/29 13:40:42 UTC

I never told you to take me at my word.
I said I'm sick to death of inexperienced people arguing with experienced people. It boggles my mind.
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/31 09:25:57 UTC

Oh how many times I have to hear this stuff.
I've had these exact same arguments for years and years and years.
Nothing about them changes except the new faces spouting them.

It's the same as arguing with the rookie suffering from intermediate syndrome.
They've already made up their mind and only hear that which supports their opinion.

Only later, when we're visiting them in the hospital can they begin to hear what we've told them all along.

Nobody's talking about 130lb weaklinks? (oh please)
Many reasons.
Couple of 'em for ya... they're manufactured, cheap and identifiable.

See, you don't get to hook up to my plane with whatever you please. Not only am I on the other end of that rope... and you have zero say in my safety margins... I have no desire what so ever to have a pilot smashing himself into the earth on my watch. So yeah, if you show up with some non-standard gear, I won't be towing you. Love it or leave it. I don't care.

So please, find me something... that you didn't make... that I can go out and buy from a store... that's rated and quality controlled... that fits your desire for a "non one size fits all" model, and *maybe* we can talk.
But you see... I'm the guy you've got to convince.
(or whoever your tug pilot may be... but we all tend to have a similar opinion about this)

You've not heard about strong-link incidents.
Uh, yeah... cuz we don't let you use them.
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/31 19:49:08 UTC

Zach,
I'm not trying to sway you...
See, that's the thing here... you're trying to sway... you believe this is a discussion where one side "sways" the other. Argument isn't the right word as it's a bit harsh cuz you're being quite civil (thank you). It's just not the case...

This is going to be a bit harsh, but I honestly don't care what you think.
You're not the one making the decisions here.
See if you can convince a tug pilot to tow you, with whatever gear you like, then you're sweet.
But we're the ones you need to convince, not the other way around.
So if anyone's trying to "sway" anyone, you need to convince me.
And like I said, I'm over it.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/12 18:00:27 UTC

I get tired as hell "refuting" all these mouth release and "strong link" arguments. Dig through the forums if you want that. I've been doing it for years but unfortunately the peddlers are religious in their beliefs so they find justification any way they can to "prove" their stuff. This is known as "Confirmation Bias"... seeking data to support your theory... it's back-asswards. Guess what? The shit doesn't work. If it did, we'd be using it everywhere. But it doesn't stand the test of reality.
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/13 19:09:33 UTC

Allow me to repeat... hundreds of thousands of tows.
Sure, there's other stuff out there too. Some of it even has a number of tows behind it... but hundreds of thousands is a very large number.

That's not "religion" my friend.
The shit works. It works in reality and it works consistently. It's not perfect, but Joe-Blow's pet theories have a very high bar to reach before they are given credence.
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/15 06:48:18 UTC

Yeah, sorry... nope. Not behind me at least... go be a test pilot behind someone else.
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/16 05:05:41 UTC

Here's a little bit of bitter reality that ya'll get to understand straight off. I won't be sugar coating it, sorry.
You see, I'm on the other end of that rope.
I want neither a dead pilot on my hands or one trying to kill me.
And yes. It is my call. PERIOD.
On tow, I am the PIC.

Now, that cuts hard against every fiber of every HG pilot on the planet and I get that.
Absolutely no HG pilot likes hearing it. Not me, not no one. BUT... sorry, that's the way it is.
Accept it and move on.
Not only can you not change it, it's the law... in the very literal sense.
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/17 00:34:14 UTC

You need to understand something here that you're really not getting yet.
You are talking as if I or "we" need to justify something to you.
This is 180deg off.
YOU are the one arguing with a system that's been in place and has been worked on over quite literally HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of tows.

The onus is on YOU.
Not the other way around.
"We" don't need to justify jack.
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/17 10:37:47 UTC

I'm not sure who you're arguing with Zack, but it's sure not me... cuz man... you've got some pretty big hangups mate.

You're hear to argue. Plain and simple. I've got better stuff to do.
Go blow smoke somewhere else. I couldn't give a rats ass... I won't be towing you so what do I care?
Jim Rooney - 2013/02/19 02:22:35 UTC

I mean, it's not like I've been doing this for a job since 2004 right?
Sorry I can't help.
I guess you'll have to find someone else to argue with.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31052
Poll on weaklinks
Jim Rooney - 2013/03/04 19:31:36 UTC

The accepted standards and practices changed.
How come motherfuckers like those get free passes from you on making pronouncements about the only way things should be done? 'Cause they're mainstreamers? What's Tom Galvin doing here?:

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
HG accident in Vancouver
Tom Galvin - 2012/10/31 22:17:21 UTC

I don't teach lift and tug, as it gives a false sense of security.
Isn't that a pronouncement that doing a hook-in check is categorically wrong - no exceptions? But it's T** at K*** S****** who's spewing insanity all over the web? Now this Tom Galvin piece of shit who won't respond to anybody if he's not in a position to get the individual banned before he gets his ball torn off?
Tad openly states that he hopes that people who don't agree with his insanity will get injured or killed.
1. The few people with functional brains in this sport, the ones who can handle junior high level math and science, tend to totally agree with Tad's insanity - so it's a pretty good bet that Tad's insanity isn't.

2. If Tad's insanity is actually insanity then the people who don't agree with it are likely to be as safe in the air as they are sitting at the picnic tables at the LZ - so, if Tad actually hoped that, what would it matter? Why not just use T** at K*** S****** as a resource? Teach everybody to do the precise opposite of Tad's insanity. Works for your buddy Tom.

3. What would you hope for the people who HAVE been injured or killed? What would you do if you had a time machine and could get to them on the relevant Friday night? Tell them:
- to:
-- skip the preflight sidewire load tests because they might grind their wires into sharp rocks?
-- make sure their carabiners are engaging the backups and locked and chinstraps are buckled?
- not to do hook-in checks because they give a false sense of security?
- really practice making that easy reach to their bent pin pro toad releases?
- always use an appropriate weak link with a finished length of 1.5 inches or less to prevent lockouts and steep climbs?
- aim for the traffic cone in the middle of the field to make sure they won't clip the fence on final?
- get their hands on the downtubes at shoulder or ear height at a hundred feet so they will:
-- not hafta worry about transitioning at trim in ground effect?
-- have really great flare authority when they're trying to nail that no stepper?

Would you be able to do anything more substantive than express one of your idiot opinions?

When people get into this sport - or any other flavor of aviation - they WANT their instructors to make pronouncements about the only way things should be done 'cause when/if they get the right ones they learn how to keep their asses alive. They don't want bullshit idiot OPINIONS from assholes like you who don't have the brains or competence to state two plus two equals four as a FACT.

And when people are training in REAL aviation that IS how things tend to work.

And when they're in hang gliding they come out of their training programs clueless and scared because they've been taught that two plus two equals seven and they hop onto the intellectually castrated Jack Show where they try to get things to make sense and instead get all kinds of other idiot opinions on what the sum of two plus two is.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson
Paul Hurless - 2014/09/27 17:54:15 UTC

Lift and tug, which was not invented by Tad isn't a banned subject.
I partially dealt with that bullshit statement at:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post6728.html#p6728
but another couple points...

1. The mindset...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=18876
Hang glider Crash
Helen McKerral - 2010/09/07 00:16:04 UTC

More important, I think, is a change in mindset: that you constantly assume that you are NOT hooked in. That is the default mindset and only after you've done the lift and tug - immediately before every launch - do you decide you're hooked in. Also, because the default assumption is negative rather than positive, you are much less likely to start any run unhooked.
...(which Helen has mostly right)...
Alan Deikman - 2014/09/23 19:47:06 UTC

For my part I will just refer you to the classic Tad Eareckson essay which I call "the gun is always loaded" which is a bit overworked but probably all you will ever need to read regarding FTHI. A lot of people will find it gores their particular sacred Ox, but I have never seen anyone point out a flaw in his logic.
...that the gun is always loaded is TOTALLY *MY* *BABY*. NOBODY ever made that analogy/coupling before. And the few people in this sport with enough in the way of brains to be able to get it...
Allen Sparks - 2014/09/23 22:26:06 UTC

Seriously, I have FTHI-d twice, and my gun is loaded.
...are bulletproof. (Aussie Methodists, on the other hand...

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...are, by definition, too off the scale fuckin' stupid to ever be able to get it.)

2. You name me ONE INSTRUCTOR - from anywhere on the planet - who teaches lift and tug in compliance with the USHGA hook-in check...
With each flight, demonstrates a method of establishing that the pilot is hooked in just prior to launch.
...regulation and/or the "gun is always loaded" mindset. Hell, just name me an instructor who isn't / wouldn't be openly hostile to both the procedure and mindset.

You can go back to fucking yourself now, Paul.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4596
Stop F*cking Around w/ Your Cameras!!!
NMERider - 2014/11/21 18:17:12 UTC

https://www.facebook.com/fsalvetti1/posts/952319108130874?pnref=story
Fabio Salvetti - mi sono sganciato per sistemare la gopro...

Fabio launched unhooked after he unhooked himself in order to be able to lower his camera boom. He then proceeded to launch and realized the situation as he ran down the wooden ramp. Luckily he had a soft landing in the bushes. The fact that he had 3,000 flights while hooked in is no excuse.

If you are going to fly with distracting equipment then for crying out loud alter your pre-flight and in-flight procedures so that your excess gear does not end your flying or kill you.
OH! Christmas thirty-four days early. THANK YOU, Jonathan, Fabio, and God!

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Fabio launched unhooked after he unhooked himself in order to be able to lower his camera boom.
Fabio launched unhooked after he did a whole shitload of stuff he always does and after not doing one very simple brain dead easy and obvious procedure he always never does.
He then proceeded to launch and realized the situation...
How do you think he first realized that, Jonathan? When the glider started LIFTing he didn't feel the TUG on his suspension? Can you think of any procedure he might have done JUST PRIOR TO LAUNCHing that would've allowed him to realize the situation a lot sooner and with much less inconvenience?
...as he ran down the wooden ramp.
Good thing it wasn't THIS:

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wooden ramp, huh Jonathan? (Concrete, actually.)

Or this:

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grass/dirt one up the road a piece?
Luckily he had a soft landing in the bushes.
I dunno. If he'd been killed the discussions would be a lot longer and a lot more fun - but then we almost certainly wouldn't have gotten those treasures of video stills.
The fact that he had 3,000 flights while hooked in is no excuse.
Sure it is. That's a success rate of 99.966678 percent. Hard to argue with numbers like that. Hell, when you round it off that's a success rate of one hundred percent - PERFECT! Not a scratch.
If you are going to fly with distracting equipment...
EVERYBODY flies with...
Luen Miller - 1994/09

The second pilot was distracted by backing off launch to get his helmet, which he had forgotten. While doing so he thought of a pilot who launched unhooked at Lookout Mountain as a result of the distraction of retrieving his helmet. Our pilot then proceeded to launch unhooked.
...distracting equipment, Jonathan. On 1989/07/30 Gilbert Aldrich unhooked so's he could reach the helmet he clipped to his starboard cross spar and 95 percent killed himself.
...then for crying out loud alter your pre-flight and in-flight procedures so that your excess gear does not end your flying or kill you.
This doesn't have shit to do with pre- or in-flight procedures.

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http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3638
FTHI
Steve D - 2012/10/25 06:23:16 UTC

An article by Tad Eareckson:

http://www.energykitesystems.net/Lift/hgh/TadEareckson/FTHI.pdf
Mike Blankenhorn - 2012/10/26 02:39:07 UTC

Wow, I never saw it put quite like that before. Great write up!
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson
Mike Blankenhorn - 2013/03/12 03:57:34 UTC

Suicide is highly under rated, Tad should try it, but no wait he's lost his balls! :D :D :D
Mike Blankenhorn - 2013/03/12 16:07:44 UTC

We should bury this thread and not give Tad the satisfaction that we are actually wasting our time acknowledging his existence. Yes, this needed to be brought into the light but now we should bury this asshole with some nice cold dirt (metaphorically) and never speak of him again.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson
Alan Deikman - 2014/09/23 19:47:06 UTC

Amazing how when this topic comes up every time you see people argue the same arguments over and over again. It has been a classic (although niche) endless Internet flame topic.

I suspect that some of the parties that have posted in threads like these before are refraining now since they have learned that it is nearly (completely?) impossible to change people's minds on the topic.

For my part I will just refer you to the classic Tad Eareckson essay which I call "the gun is always loaded" which is a bit overworked but probably all you will ever need to read regarding FTHI. A lot of people will find it gores their particular sacred Ox, but I have never seen anyone point out a flaw in his logic.
Paul Hurless - 2014/09/27 17:48:14 UTC

The psychopathic Tad and his rants are what's banned.
Hey Jonathan... You have ANY IDEA how HAPPY it would make me if you JUST ONCE acknowledged the work I've done on this? Or, hell, just the procedure itself?

OK, Joe. Now come on into this thread and remind everybody about the Five Cs and what the fuck they are. Nobody ever seems to be able to remember.

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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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I'd put money on that Fabio is a the harness is part of the aircraft... end of story kind of guy.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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I SO hope so. There's so very little that makes me happier than seeing one of those assholes get a mouthful of launch slope or runway.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
HG accident in Vancouver
Tom Galvin - 2012/10/31 22:17:21 UTC

I don't teach lift and tug, as it gives a false sense of security.
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Watchya think, Tom? Some asshole taught him lift and tug and it gave him a false sense of security?

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Is it the teaching of lift and tug, the actual lifting and tugging, both that gives the false sense of security? If it's just the teaching that's the actual problem can your students lift and tug without getting the false sense of security?

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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4596
Stop F*cking Around w/ Your Cameras!!!
Jim Thompson - 2014/11/22 17:42:40 UTC

A friend, formerly in the harness business, told me a similar story. His friend, a fire and rescue trainer, was demonstrating how to rapel...
Rappel.
...from a helicopter. He clipped his harness in, hung at the door frame, then returned to the inside. He unclipped to demonstrate something else. When finished, he turned his back to the door, held the rope to brake his decent...
To brake his decent what?
...and pushed off. The helicopter was in flight.
Higher than ten feet and not over water?
The point being, if you hook-in and then disconnect from your glider to do anything, walk away and completely start over.
Yeah. COMPLETELY start over. Check all your spars for dents, make sure all your hex nuts are properly safetied, check that all your battens are fully inserted and tensioned, hook back in and do a hang check to make sure that bar clearance is still the same.
When I intend to fly, I approach the glider with my (new Stubai) carabiner in hand and hook-in immediately.
Wow! That's what Fabio does too! Who'da thunk!
If I unhook, I get out from under the glider.
Sounds to me like you're bulletproof.
It may not be fool-proof, but it's worked so far.
Goddam right!. You're at 100.000000 percent and that's MUCH better than Fabio's 99.966678. All you other motherfuckers who have approaches and procedures that have worked so far are also at 100.000000 percent - so if you keep on doing the same things over and over you can expect exactly the same results. Obvious common fuckin' sense and bulletproof logic. And keep smoking two packs a day 'cause...
Connecting your harness to your glider before putting it on also works...
Like...

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...MAGIC!!!
...but, should you need to unhook, walk away.
Or, if you aren't hooked in but think you are...

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What could it hurt?
Developing the hook-in check habit is good, too...
Why would anybody do THAT?

- When you intend to fly you approach the glider with your (new Stubai) carabiner in hand and hook in immediately and if you unhook you get out from under the glider. It may not be fool-proof, but it's worked so far.

- Connecting your harness to your glider before putting it on also works.

- Developing the hook-in check habit is just good - and it gives you a false sense of security. You've already given us two proven systems that work... If they're not fuckin' broke for the love of God don't fuckin' fix them.
...but we often are concerned with a lot of other stuff as we approach launch and we sometimes forget.
Yes, *WE* do. *WE* off the scale stupid motherfuckers who NEVER do them often are concerned with a lot of other stuff as *WE* approach launch and *WE* sometimes forget. And that other stuff with which we're concerned tends to be really critical!
Better to start off correct than necessitate catching an error.
GODDAM RIGHT!!! What kind of miserable flat sacker would be so incompetent as to approach launch not hooked in and/or worried about the possibility of not being hooked in!

I SO hope you screw this pooch and...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=811
FTHI
Rick Masters - 2011/10/26 23:07:48 UTC

Bob held on to his base tube all the way down from Plowshare. The impact split his skull and he suffered terribly until he died during the night, alone.
...die a very slow, miserable, lonely death and then roast in Hell for five or ten years.

Anybody got a last name for this total piece of Grebloville shit?
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Got it - Thompson.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4596
Stop F*cking Around w/ Your Cameras!!!
NMERider - 2014/11/22 19:06:18 UTC

Very good points Jim.
Yeah Jonathan...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson
Alan Deikman - 2014/09/23 19:47:06 UTC

For my part I will just refer you to the classic Tad Eareckson essay which I call "the gun is always loaded" which is a bit overworked but probably all you will ever need to read regarding FTHI. A lot of people will find it gores their particular sacred Ox, but I have never seen anyone point out a flaw in his logic.
Totally fuckin' STELLAR.
Some additional camera incidents include:

The tandem fatality in Canada where the passenger was left unhooked during launch...
Is there some other time that I don't know when that matters?
...and fell to her death. The tandem instructor...
Thrill ride driver.
...was fiddling with his new GoPro prior to launch...
1. As opposed to fiddling with his new GoPro AFTER to launch. When the hell else is anybody gonna be fiddling around with ANYTHING?

2. What do the USHGA SOPs require EVERY pilot of EVERY rating for EVERY flight to be doing JUST prior to launch. You know, the one thing that nobody EVER does 'cause he's to busy inventing total crap about why nobody should ever actually do it.

3. What's your source on that, Jonathan. I don't recall one single report of Jon doing that or that being a factor or a relevant recommendation in any report,

4. ALL tandem thrill ride gliders use wing mounted cameras so they can sell the bucket lister the video for...

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...fifty bucks. That's NEVER gonna change - so why bother mentioning it?
...and interrupted his well-established...
...total bullshit, many times proven disastrous, doomed to fail...
...routine.

A good friend of mine in Phoenix...
Greg Porter, total fucking douchebag.
...who launched in his racing pod harness without buckling his leg loops and his chest strap...
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...after farting around with his camera.
Quote him ever once mentioning a camera...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3UbztgTtsc


...anywhere.
Although he was able to zip up and fly he chose to land fully zipped...
...and fully upright...
...which caused some ugly poundage.
Was it that that caused the ugly poundage or was it not doing a wheel landing?
He could have been very seriously injured but was spared by good fortune.
Whose good fortune? His or the gene pool's?
Camera distractions are a very serious issue and I want more pilots to be painfully aware.
Yeah Jonathan, but your good friend in Phoenix developed a magic nose cone checklist which will finally and once and for all eliminate all distraction and un, partially, insecurely hooked problems. And it's worked perfectly for him so far. So how come you're not even mentioning - let alone endorsing - this revolutionary bulletproof strategy that sprang from this near fatal disaster?
Even if the pilot is safely hooked in and initiates a good flight, having the camera onboard may result in pilots flying places or taking risks they would not do otherwise.
How do they compare to the risks of trying to nail a foot landing...

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...in the primary putting green?

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22176
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Jim Rooney - 2011/06/12 13:57:58 UTC

Most common HG injury... spiral fracture of the humerus.
All for the sake of the shot. I know this from personal experience. Just ask my neurosurgeon. :oops: :oops:
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...trying to max out your ability to exploit really marginal XC landing options.

Here's what your total fucking idiot good friend in Phoenix says a lot of pilots will do to be sure that those leg loops are attached:
A lot of pilots will pick up the glider until they feel the tension on their leg loops to be sure that those leg loops are attached.
Just a guess but that probably also gives them some degree of assurance that their carabiners aren't dangling behind their knees. So can you tell me what YOUR objections to that strategy are?
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32102
Fabio's FTHI
And make damn sure you don't make any posts or have any links about Tad Eareckson and related people and/or their material - asshole.
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