You are NEVER hooked in.

[<BS>]

Happy now?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32102
Fabio's FTHI

I see you amended your post...

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/23 19:43:33 UTC

https://www.facebook.com/fsalvetti1/posts/952319108130874?pnref=story

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=358046#358046

...with a link to a post about Tad Eareckson and his material - asshole.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32102
Fabio's FTHI

michael170 - 2014/11/24 00:17:02 UTC

Fabio doing a post launch hook-in check:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7570/15661252749_7fcfe6445a_o.jpg

So much more effective than the pre launch ones. Totally awesome feedback and none of that nasty false sense of security.

Allen Sparks - 2014/11/24 00:33:50 UTC

Yikes seems he was uninjured. If so, lucky dude.

I'll bet there'd be a helluva lot more interest in and discussion about this one if the slope had been a lot steeper - say eighty degrees.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32102
Fabio's FTHI

Nic Welbourn - 2014/11/24 02:59:30 UTC
Canberra

Maybe he didn't notice the harness was not connected during preflight checks because his eyes were closed... unless he doesn't connect his harness as part of assembling his glider.

"It's only the harness, I can put it on later, it's not that important. I might walk around in it for a while now... hey this feels good!" - what could go wrong.

Glad he's OK

Maybe if you goddam brain dead Aussie Methodist twats would shut the hell up and go fuck yourselves we could get this problem fixed.

When was the last fatal solo? Yossi Tsarfaty, 2011/04/09? We're about due for another one - and I'm gonna have ZERO sympathy WHEN it happens.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32102
Fabio's FTHI

Tom Lyon - 2014/11/24 05:43:48 UTC

He mentioned on his FB page that he made the mistake because he stopped to adjust the GoPro.

No Tom, he's made the same idiot fucking mistake at the beginning of every foot launched flight he's ever taken. The only difference on this one is that it had mildly dramatic consequences. And he, you, and damn near everybody else will continue with the same moronic incompetent behavior because you get away with it just about all the time.

Brian posted a link in the first post which explains to you hopeless idiots how to do things right and which is heavily endorsed by two of the three previous respondents, one of whom has launched unhooked twice and DAMN NEAR killed himself once and has a very close friend who had to have what was left of both of his lower legs amputated as a consequence of one unhooked tow launch, and you chose to ignore it. Fuck you and good freakin' luck. I'll be over here rootin' for more dramatic videos and the gene pool.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson

Jason Boehm - 2014/11/24 23:20:33 UTC

each time I tug, I think of tad

that sounds like a personal problem

What? Thinking?

The actual quote:

Allen Sparks - 2014/09/23 22:26:06 UTC

hate to get banned for breakin' SG's rule to not mention t** at k***s*****
each time I tug, I think of tad just ~prior~ to launch
seriously, I have FTHI-d twice, and my gun is loaded.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson

Jason Boehm - 2014/11/25 14:56:31 UTC
Stapleton, Colorado

Paul Hurless - 2014/09/27 17:54:15 UTC

Lift and tug, which was not invented by Tad isn't a banned subject.
The psychopathic Tad and his rants are what's banned.

Lift and tug is what I was taught 15 years ago.....

By whom? A USHGA Instructor teaching in compliance with USHGA SOPs or just some flying buddy?

it isn't new-

Yeah, I think that's been pretty well established. Can you quote anyone claiming or implying anything to the contrary?

I still do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3zBgJWHNPc

And...

- You felt the need to include that quote from Paul because...?

- Thanks for all the help getting that message across to all your Rocky Mountain...

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
HG accident in Vancouver

...douchebag buddies post Lenami and to everyone else after all the other unhooked launch incidents and disasters.

- Why would anybody in his right mind do a procedure...

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
HG accident in Vancouver

Tom Galvin - 2012/10/31 22:17:21 UTC

I don't teach lift and tug, as it gives a false sense of security.

...which gives a false sense of security?

You run your mouth incessantly pushing your idiot spot no steppers and pissing all over wheel landers but on the issue of verifying one and/or one's passenger is connected to his glider before running off a cliff...

Fuck you, Jason.

P.S. How 'bout telling us some of the things you were taught fifteen years ago that you DON'T still do. Still always use an appropriate weak link with a finished length of 1.5 inches or less or are you now one of the many who use an inappropriate Happiness Link?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson

Eric Hinrichs - 2014/11/25 17:53:02 UTC

I like a hang check and a hooked in (tug) check.

1. What do the USHGA SOPs "like"?

2. What else do you like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j3Me-XqJ-4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyDBpMKomw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIhSM7BNBn4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeOTt6qDXsg


...that you don't bother teaching to your students? Anything of actual or potential importance?

The hooked in check just before launching becomes very ingrained:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HiEuVCuleE

So does crap like:

http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1152
Bill Priday's death

Cragin Shelton - 2005/10/03 15:13:27 UTC

You are not hooked in until after the hang check.

and:

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 02:44:10 UTC

The "purpose" of a weaklink is to increase the safety of the towing operation. PERIOD.

Unfortunately we don't have any instructors teaching the stuff that becomes ingrained and saves them from launching unhooked and tons of them teaching the total crap that becomes ingrained and will pretty much doom them to launching unhooked...

http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5566/14704620965_ce30a874b7_o.png


...sooner or later in the course of a long foot launch career.

2014/11/25 18:16:39 UTC - 3 thumbs up - michael170

michael170 - 2014/11/25 18:11:35 UTC

You mean something along these lines?:

With each flight, demonstrates method of establishing that pilot is hooked in just prior to launch.

What a concept

Go fuck yourself - Tad Clone.

AndRand - 2014/11/25 18:56:42 UTC
Poland

Very good concept.
I always try walk into launch dragging wing (with wheels) by hangstrap of my harness.

Well then, you're certainly good to go. You ALWAYS *TRY* to walk into launch dragging your wing (with wheels) by the strap of your harness so that should make you pretty much immune to all the issues that all those other people who always try other preflight procedures to keep themselves from launching...

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7545/15659911930_279f4e7930_o.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7570/15661252749_7fcfe6445a_o.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8679/15845268971_638f88b5e9_o.jpg


...with their carabiners dangling.

OK, Jack Show Assholes...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25550
Failure to hook in.

Steve Davy - 2011/10/24 10:27:04 UTC

OK- how many times does he need confirm that he is hooked in? And when would be the best time to make that confirmation?

Brian McMahon - 2011/10/24 21:04:17 UTC

Once, just prior to launch.

Christian Williams - 2011/10/25 03:59:58 UTC

I agree with that statement.

What's more, I believe that all hooked-in checks prior to the last one before takeoff are a waste of time, not to say dangerous, because they build a sense of security which should not be built more than one instant before commitment to flight.

Let's see if we can get another fifty posts on all the stuff you always try to do before arriving at launch position and how great they are 'cause they've all worked perfectly for you and none of them has ever given you any false feelings of security.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson

Jason Boehm - 2014/11/26 14:24:20 UTC

Eric Hinrichs - 2014/11/25 17:53:02 UTC

I like a hang check and a hooked in (tug) check.

The hooked in check just before launching becomes very ingrained:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HiEuVCuleE

michael170 - 2014/11/25 18:11:35 UTC

You mean something along these lines?:

With each flight, demonstrates method of establishing that pilot is hooked in just prior to launch.

What a concept

we get it, Eric taught it to me 14 years ago- not every post needs to be about it-its not new- its not novel

Oh. "WE" get it. So who's "WE"?
- Everybody in hang gliding?
- All your fellow Jack Show assholes?
- You and your testicles?

Does Tom Galvin get it?

http://vimeo.com/39514151
Mancos Launch


Yeah, probably. (He probably did it but T** at K*** S****** probably doctored the video.

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
HG accident in Vancouver

Tom Galvin - 2012/10/31 22:17:21 UTC

I don't teach lift and tug, as it gives a false sense of security.

How 'bout the assholes he signs off?

Jon Orders?



Did he get it before his first and last flight on 2012/04/28?




How 'bout that evening? Do we have some indication that he, Industry Standards Expert Martin Henry, HPAC, anybody north of the border gets it now?

Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney?

The Press - 2006/02/21

A tandem hang-gliding pilot was in hospital with serious head injuries last night after the crash, which is the latest in a series of incidents involving Queenstown company Extreme Air that have prompted Civil Aviation Authority investigations.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4247
Hook in failure in New Zealand

Jim Rooney - 2006/09/24 21:19:29 UTC

Ok, this thread's a million miles long already (and mostly my fault at that), so I'm not going to feel bad about making it a tad longer.

A couple things to chew on here...

There isn't one sure-fire answer.
If there was, we'd all be doing it already. This thread I think makes this obvious... every single thing people have put forth as "the way", someone else has show how it can fail. Every single one. Argue about the details, but every single one fails.

Here's the real trick of it in my book (especially with new technology, but it applies to methods too)...
Whatever you change only works on that glider/site/whatever.
What happens when you're off flying somewhere else or flying someone else's gear?

Someone suggested putting a red flag on the nose of the glider that gets removed after the hang check... this way, if you haven't hooked in, it's really obvious. Say this works for you and you get used to it. Then you borrow a glider or fly a different site on a rented glider. In your world, no red streamer means "good to go".

Take aussie vs clipin if you like... what happens when you're at a site that you can't use the aussie method with? (I can name you some cliff launches that you can't if you care). Now you're used to the security of the aussie method, and it's not there. You might say that the fear will help you, but your instincts will say otherwise (the fear is highlevel thought, and highlevel thought is the first thing that gets tossed out of your brain.. else we'd never launch unhooked in the first place).

Argue if you will about the examples (whatever), the trick of it isn't the method to me, it's how using new things doesn't work (and actually causes problems) in strange ways (like when going back to "normal" flying after getting used to the new method/device).

Enough about what doesn't work though... what does?
Since we don't have a plug that only fits one way, we fall on lesser methods, but some are better than others...

In particular... Third Party Verification.
You won't save you, but your friends might.
Not always, but they're more reliable than you.
Why do you think that airline checklists (yes our lovely checklists) are check-verified by pilot AND copilot?

That's all I got for ya.
The other topics have been beat to death here.
If there was an answer, we'd all already be doing it.

So if "WE" get it then why did you feel obligated to post a video showing YOU doing it? Why didn't you just post a video of a Joe Blow doing one on the Lookout Day One Training Hill? Or, really, why post a video at all? If the issue was the hang check would you have needed to post a video showing one so's everyone would understand what's being talked about?

Eric TAUGHT it you? So how many lessons did you have before it took? Ten, fifteen? What about your other instructors? What were THEY teaching to comply with the USHGA SOP? Anything that didn't give you a false sense of security?

Eric taught it to you fourteen years ago? So how come he wasn't teaching it to Ashley less than three years ago? How come he was doing it himself thirty-two days ago at Ed Levin but has his students going off - at the same flight park - in flagrant violation of the SOP?

Not every post...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=13359
Today was a bad day!

Mike Bomstad - 2009/08/26 04:21:15 UTC

The harness is part of the aircraft... end of story.
(Just because it's easy to remove, does not mean it should be. Don't choose the path of least resistance)

15-00825
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7387/10125512503_2fc2445a42_o.png

11-A12819
http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8339/28924980016_2ba1d20ef7_o.png


http://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8253/28924975726_0d24a615c2_o.png
13-A14319

...IS about it. Aussie Methodist douchebags outnumber hook-in checkers by a ratio of at least a thousand to one.

Not every landing post needs to be about flare timing but that's never slowed your ass down any.

its not new- its not novel

1. Neither are second grade level writing skills but there are tons of assholes in this sport perpetually too fuckin' stupid to be able to grasp them.

2. What's your fuckin' point? Name one thing of any substance in hang gliding less than 35 years old?

3. So if something's not novel then obviously everybody has it down already. So how come thrill riders always seem to go up tandem? Shouldn't they be able to come in off the street and hop on solo since it's all ancient up/down/left/right stuff?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7570/15661252749_7fcfe6445a_o.jpg


Stupid useless mouthy twat.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/26 16:43:23 UTC

I've managed to not launch unhooked since starting in '73.

I've managed to not omit a hook-in check every launch since one of my more senior Kitty Hawk Kites instructor colleagues tuned me into lift and tug as a substitute for the idiot fucking hang check very early in my career in the early fall of '80.

I always did a hang check or a walk through.

I did relevant preflight checks too - 'cept at least once:

If I was taught the lift and tug just prior to launch, it didn't stick. My online presence is fairly new and I never picked it up from magazines.

You wouldn't have picked it up from the half baked magazine article announcing the amendment to the SOPs...

George Whitehill - 1981/05

In the new USHGA rating system, for each flight of each task "the pilot must demonstrate a method of establishing that he/she is hooked in, just prior to launch." The purpose here is obvious. It is left up to the pilot to demonstrate whatever method works best for him. Here are some suggested methods:

- Walk forward through the bar until the straps get snug, holding onto the front wires. Then turn around and look at everything. Pull on straps.

- Lift up the glider to prepare to launch and feel the straps pull tight on your harness, turn around and look up.

- Turn towards the back of the glider prior to lifting your wing and hold on to the rear wires. Turn around and look.

- While squatting under the glider at launch reach up and yank on your suspension lines. Pull up and look!

In each method, look, touch0, and know! Do this at launch time when you are just about to go. If anything delays your launch, do it again. Make this check a habit.

The assholes behind it were too stupid to understand there's a time to stop preflighting the fuckin' glider...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13132
Unhooked Death Again - Change our Methods Now?

JBBenson - 2009/01/25 16:27:19 UTC

I get what Tad is saying, but it took some translation:
HANG CHECK is part of the preflight, to verify that all the harness lines etc. are straight.
HOOK-IN CHECK is to verify connection to the glider five seconds before takeoff.
They are separate actions, neither interchangeable nor meant to replace one another. They are not two ways to do the same thing.

...and start going into launch mode.

So I got it from reading a thread similar to this one not long ago.

This one?:

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic9.html
You are NEVER hooked in.

710 posts as of this one?

You revived this thread yourself most likely because it was linked in Fabio's FTHI thread. He obviously didn't/doesn't get it.

DOESN'T is a pretty safe bet. He's just had a totally awesome wake-up so he should be able to keep on doing the same thing over and over and get MUCH better results.

I expect the number of pilots who actually do what Eric does is extremely small.

That's 'cause Eric doesn't teach anybody to do it and doesn't get his hands too dirty after a Lenami caliber media tsunami.

It will become part of my routine.

It's not part of my routine. I do it 'cause I'm genuinely scared totally shitless of running off something like THIS:

09-05019
http://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2928/13891086719_3ba7e65d38_o.png


http://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2933/14074543322_a183cc3a23_o.png
10-05124

with my carabiner dangling. I'm scared so shitless of that that I even practice lift and tug just prior to launch on low shallow sand dunes. The routine is a useful byproduct of that fear.

Jason Boehm - 2014/11/26 16:51:22 UTC
thats true- but i revived it to make a masturbation joke at Sparks expense.........

Yeah, that was a real gem.

Wish I'd thought of it first.

Brian Scharp - 2014/11/26 19:59:57 UTC

Yes, are you wanting to talk about that some more?

The masturbation joke? Sure. Unhooked launch prevention procedures? Why? We all get it already.

NMERider - 2014/11/26 20:52:07 UTC

Are you saying that Spark gets a 'quick release' if he thinks of Tad as he gets tugged? I'd think that would have the opposite effect but 'different strokes...' as they say.
Gosh, I hope I don't get spanked for this one.

How 'bout we back off on these a bit until we get fifty-one percent of our foot launchers in some kind of reasonable compliance with the SOP?

http://ozreport.com/forum/files/copy_2_of_imgp1239_197.jpg
http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7220/13949046702_ccfa0fafab_o.png

http://www.thekiteboarder.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/opener-532x800.jpg