http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41335
What Rich said
Brian McMahon - 2015/03/12 15:21:54 UTC
The Concessionaire is digging a hole he isn't going to be able to get out of.
Ditto for U$hPA.
If you have any question at all about whether or not BOB K can sign in and fly there, read page four of the current lease, section 1.10 Public Use:
http://takebacktorrey.com/docs/lease/LEASE.HTM
The office and every structure on the premises is part of the park, according to the lease. When the current concessionaire is replaced by some other lessee, what will happen to all of the structures on the premises? They are part of the park, so they will remain, the concessionaire does not own them in whole or part. In any case, the rules state that a pilot has to check in and pay a fee before flying (or at least check in if they are yearly members). It would be unreasonable for a pilot to not be able to go into the building to check in if the rules state that they have to do that. The Concessionaire has a bunch of sour grapes in his mouth and is as stubborn...
"Stubborn" is not an appropriate characterization.
...as Bob is, so this dispute is going to drag on.
"Dispute" doesn't quite hit the nail on the head either.
I find it interesting that for years the USHPA has publicly disavowed any interest and any responsibility for Torrey.
Along with goddam near everything else.
They have repeatedly stated that they want no part in any disputes involving USHPA members and the operators of the site...
...fairness, legal issues, enforcement of its own SOPs...
...but now they have Tim Herr showing up to see what is clearly a dispute between the site and a USHPA member. The reason Tim Herr showed up is likely to gather any information possible to discredit Bob when he goes on the stand regarding the pending lawsuit involving the P-0 and P-1 collision. I highly doubt Tim showed up to this hearing for no particular reason. Mark Forbes was wrong...
Lying.
...about how the hearing is conducted (among other things). It is true that it is not a trial with completely formal trial procedures, but the plaintiff and the defendant clearly sit on one side of the room or the other and so do the supporters or witnesses for either side. That is not to say that they could not sit where ever they like, but everyone clearly sat on the side they were with. Obviously Tim is in contact with the Concessionaire lawyers regarding this whole mess...
Travesty.
...and he showed up to see the outcome of this hearing.
The Concessionaire lawyers tried to use a ridiculous argument that Bob was a violent threat to personnel working at the site because he supposedly "stalked" them. If Bob will put up the video that started this incident, you will see that Bob was nervous and they knew it. This idea that he was following the employees home and stalking them at the site was the only thing they could attempt to use to get the restraining order (there was nobody they could produce to say that Bob had ever threatened them). The "stalking" allegations were a bunch of fabrications.
Obvious and transparent crap.
The Judge allowed this hearing to stretch into seven or eight...
Six.
...sessions, where most of these are resolved within a couple of hours.
There is going to be a newspaper article about Bob and Torrey in a local publication called "The Reader" in the next week or so, or maybe further out as I'm sure that the reporter will be interested in the latest developments. The whole ugly mess is going to go public. All of this would be avoidable if the City of San Diego would just create some kind of oversight board so that disputes can be resolved without having the Police and the Court system get involved. I don't know what kind of pull the Concessionaire has with the Police or elements within the City...
Unlimited.
...but I can only guess that there is some corruption here.
Ya think?
Arresting Bob for Trespassing and then declining to prosecute him, then doing it again? It doesn't make sense, not to mention, by the wording of the lease, Bob can't be trespassing unless the City revokes his right to be there, not the lessee. The police may be misguided...
Incompetent, grossly negligent at best.
...believing that the Concessionaire has the right to expel people, but past attempts using the police have all failed until now.
Steve Forslund - 2015/03/13 05:24:23 UTC
They didn't prosecute Bob and you cry corruption, I thought he insisted on being arrested?
You "THOUGHT" wrong. He insisted upon asserting his rights to legally sign in and fly at a city park instead of caving to corruption, illegal conduct, bullying, unbridled thuggery.
The drama continues partly on Bob wanting it to continue.
Fuck you, asshole. Fuck anybody who doesn't want this "DRAMA" to continue until it's resolved the way it needs to be - with criminal convictions for the Jebb Gansters and their permanent expulsion from Torrey and USHGA.
The last altercation he wanted to stand nearby filming and critiquing the instructors.
1. I missed the critiquing part.
2. Name the instructorS.
Either go to the trouble of finding out what the undisputed facts of this situation are or shut the fuck up.
Poking the bear instead of showing up and flying.
Total fucking shithead.
He proved to me online and messages that he can't and won't work with others.
So? That makes it OK to illegally ban him from flying and have him arrested by corrupt cops using absurdly and blatantly false allegations?
I along with others trying to help and support him were ultimately forced to walk away by his caustic attitude and his lack of being able to see gray.
Bob sees all the gray he wants to when he's doing shit like making up reasons flyers shouldn't hafta comply with USHGA hook-in check SOPs and FAA aerotowing regulations but lotsa stuff in this game IS black and white - and this situation couldn't possibly be any more so.
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