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Re: The Bob Show

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Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/10 05:56:39 UTC

Your suspicions were correct. At this time 24 hours ago I was in jail.

After winning the court case, I returned to the Gliderport for our Torrey Hawks Second Sunday. I went to the counter to sign in and Robin Marien told me that I wasn't allowed on the property.

Robin Marien again called the San Diego Police and had me arrested (again) for "trespassing" on the Torrey Pines City Park. Once again the San Diego Police gave me the ultimatum to leave or be arrested, and once again I asserted my rights to be on the property. Again I quoted from the lease and offered to show it to them directly. They didn't care. They had already had their "powwow" with Robin Marien, and they were going to back him regardless of what I said. The ties of corruption run deep in the San Diego Police Department.

I was charged with trespassing and I was in custody from about 2pm to 3am (plus or minus an hour on each end). A friend posted my bail of $1000 and I have another day in court.

It doesn't surprise me a bit that Mark Forbes was one of the first to post this. He and Robin Marien and the Jebbs are thick as thieves.
Note that my previous post concluded with:
Fuck you, Mark.
I'll post more later ...
Oh well, at least the matter was settled...

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

...without any serious damage to the sport.

Tell me just how much difference there is between what those thugs are doing to you and what Ridgely, CHGA, you, Pagen, the Aerotow Industry, all your pigfucker glider buddies have done and are doing to me.

P.S. Tell me just how much support you've gotten on this from...
Is it possible to remove Tad Eareckson's postulation from your server? He is a generally discounted crackpot whom doesn't advance much of anything.

He threatened to advise the FAA about our dangerous activities. After much discouragement from the USHPA, he still sent it in. His ill-lettered advice was unintelligible and disregarded by the FAA. His ASCII colored text is still found on your server. As a younger person trying to keep free flight alive, I request you stop publishing Eareckson's letters.

I hope you publish all factual and critical observations about our flight. I want to advance safer free flight. I don't want weirdos having an artificial pulpit.
...your Orion Price pigfucker buddy since your first arrest four months ago today. How 'bout Greblo and the rest of SHGA to your immediate north?
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Re: The Bob Show

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What Rich said
Bill Cummings - 2015/03/10 04:13:38 UTC
Mark G. Forbes - 2015/03/10 00:00:19 UTC

I also understand that he managed to get himself arrested for trespassing again today at Torrey, apparently for refusing to leave after being asked to.
I doubt that HE got himself arrested.
Yeah, I think I said something a lot like that about half an hour before you did.
MGF,
Read the lease rules from the last legal lease holder. Bob K. cannot be banned for being at a City Park unless he is in violation of a court order.
Apparently he can. You know what The Golden Rule is, right?
What is USHPA going to do in Bob K's defense.
Same thing it did for me - with Bob K's enthusiastic support.
He is a current member of USHPA and USHPA has a duty to protect him from loss from law suits. If I have that wrong then what am I paying USHPA dues for?
To help support and defend the lucrative para and hang glider tandem joy ride industries.
Where is that million dollar legal defense money that I am counting on? I’m not seeing Bob K. getting his monies worth!
Steve Forslund - 2015/03/10 04:53:24 UTC

Exactly what do you think USHPA is and what benifits do you think they offer?
Fuck you, Steve.
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What did you edit? Changed the "e" to an "i"? (Original: "Exactly what so you think...")
Davis Straub - 2015/03/10 12:46:39 UTC

Ah, I don't believe that our liability policy covers this.
So?
Phil Sergent - 2015/03/10 13:29:44 UTC

If it was BK telling pilots who were legally visiting Torrey that they had to leave you can bet that the powers that be in the USHPA would be, at a minimum, openly using their words to apply a healthy dose of self-regulation there. We are a self-regulating sport, right?
Yeah, right - depending upon what your definition of "we" is.
The problems is that the powers that be won't take the time to understand the real issues.
They understand them PERFECTLY. You don't get a national organization coming down on the side of evil 100.00 percent of the time by a random chances sorta thing.
It's much easier to pick a friend/favorite than it is to help right a wrong.
You catch that one, Bob?
Phil - H-5 - USHPA 7722 - USHPA Chapter 57 (1974 - 2014)
Phil Sergent - 7722 - H5 - 1984/04/07 - G. Hodges - FL AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR XC
Here's our bullshit national association's bullshit mission statement:

http://www.ushpa.aero/aboutus.asp
USHPA - About the Association
Mission Statement

USHPA's mission is to ensure the future of free flight.


The association will pursue its mission through:

A. Advocacy. USHPA will interact, proactively when possible and reactively when required, with agencies, organizations and individuals whose interests affect our sport.

B. Communication. Externally, USHPA will advance the positive awareness of hang gliding and paragliding among the non-flying public. Internally, the organization will cultivate a culture of communication and transparency.

C. Community. USHPA will promote a sense of community among members both locally and nationally.

D. Flying sites. USHPA will support the development of new flying sites and the preservation of existing sites.

E. Learning. USHPA will support learning, in part by providing an organizational framework for instructor and pilot training and certification.

F. Safety. USHPA will steadily foster a culture of safety.
Tell me how what those motherfuckers aren't and are doing doesn't constitute total dereliction of duty and betrayal of the sport.
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Re: The Bob Show

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What Rich said
Mark G. Forbes - 2015/03/12 04:36:23 UTC

USHPA's insurance is for third party liability. That covers damage that we do while flying hang gliders and paragliders. It does not cover medical bills, tripping over your shoelaces or getting yourself arrested.
What does getting ONE'S SELF arrested have to do with anything - motherfucker? Ya know what that sounds a lot like?

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Jim Rooney - 2011/08/25 04:55:25 UTC

Don't even get me started on Tad. That obnoxious blow hard has gotten himself banned from every flying site that he used to visit... he doesn't fly anymore... because he has no where to fly. His theories were annoying at best and downright dangerous most of the time. Good riddance.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec
Jim Rooney - 2013/03/07 18:24:58 UTC

Go back to Tad's hole in the ground.
While you're there, ask him why he was banned from every east coast flying site.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1690
US Hawks Board of Directors Testing in 2015
Brian McMahon - 2015/01/12 16:56:24 UTC

I was confused by what you guys were talking about, and then I remembered this "Tad" that you are talking about. He is the guy from the Oz Report forum that they talk about running his own site (kitewires or something like that)? I remember him being extremely opinionated about FTHI and other safety related issues, to the point of getting himself banned.
USHPA has no responsibility to defend a member from a criminal charge.
Fuck no. It's devolved to the point it which it has no responsibility, obligation, or incentive to do ANYTHING positive for the sport of hang gliding.
We don't have a responsibility to defend members from civil claims either, unless they arise directly from the member's operation of a hang glider or paraglider.

I've been told that BobK was asked to leave the Torrey concession's office...
By whom? What's your reason for concealing your source's identity.
...which is not the park.
Oh. The concessionaire OWNS that section of the property. Thank you for clarifying that for us.
They refused him service...
The SERVICE of ALLOWING HIM to sign in to fly.
...which as a business they have a right to do.
Suck my dick, Mark.
They repeated their request...
Order.
...that he leave. He refused, and they asked if he wanted them to call the police. He said he did. The police asked him if he wanted to leave peacefully or be arrested. He asked to be arrested.
We have a transcript from the video - motherfucker. It's time stamped 2015/03/12 01:11:35 UTC. So tell me how come you're not reading it before shooting your mouth off.
They said they were pretty busy, and would he mind coming back some other day to be arrested. He insisted on being arrested right away.
Liar.
So they did, and hauled him off. That's the story as I've heard it, anyway.
Yeah, that's the STORY you HEARD from an anonymous source that you've been presenting as FACT.
(I have a Loony Tunes cartoon running through my head, with Daffy Duck saying "I INSIST that you shoot me now!")
You have all kinds of shit running through your head, Mark.
BTW, Tim was in town on unrelated-to-BobK business, and had a little free time so he dropped in and sat in the back row at Bob's hearing.
How convenient.
Stories that he was sitting with the prosecution are incorrect.
Bob was there - you weren't. So how the fuck do you know what is incorrect and what isn't?
Unlike some weddings, there's not a "prosecution's side" and a "defense's side" in a courtroom.
In the junior high lunch room there aren't any:
- white boys' tables
- black boys' tables
- white girls' tables
- black girls' tables

Watch what happens when the kids sit down.
Sometimes courtrooms can be interesting places, particularly with defendants who are as colorful as BobK. When I was in Salt Lake City a few years ago, I took a couple of hours out of the day to attend part of the SCO vs Novell trial. Boring to anyone not interested in open source software and intellectual property litigation, but fascinating to those of us following the decade-long soap opera on Groklaw. I was thrilled to see the principals there in person.
Bullshit. If it quacks like a duck.

This one's so fucking outrageous that it's managed to unite/align people who despise Bob and each other. You've pushed the envelope way too much and I so do hope you go down in flames.
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Re: The Bob Show

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Criminal Harassment on OZ Forum - Victim Banned
Michael Grisham - 2015/03/12 20:42:54 UTC

Bob,

Davis was calling Mark out today on the Oz Report for Mark's "spin" with regard to the facts of your second arrest.
Mark's dug his stupid ass in so deep this time that there's no way out.
Be smart, Bob.
Merlin - 2015/03/12 21:43:43 UTC

That's a fair assessment in my view. Davis seems willing to observe this without holding a grudge.
Fuck Davis.
On the other hand, Mark's arguments seem increasingly emotional and ad hominem.
Fuck Mark.
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/13 01:24:00 UTC

Davis plays whichever side he thinks will benefit Davis.

Davis allows people like Forbes to say things behind my back on a forum that I can't even read. What's his justification for that?
Same sorta deal you use when you make statements of "fact" and refuse to engage and answer questions.
Then he tries to come off as "fair"? Image

Now that I'm operating a forum myself...
EXTREMELY yourself.
I know that he can set whatever permissions he wants on any account. If his complaint is that he doesn't want me posting, then why not give me a "read-only" login?
Your bullshit complaint was that you wanted your bullshit forum to be a safe place for bullshit people of varying ages to visit and that it wouldn't be if I had the ability to communicate with them by Personal Messaging. So then why didn't you just switch off my ability to communicate via Personal Message - a mode I never had any use for, never used, and didn't and don't give a flying fuck about?
That was proposed to him, but he rejected it.
I made that proposal to you and your bullshit response was that you had no fuckin' clue what I was talking about.
Why not create a "Free Speech Forum" like we've got here?
Why not call it a "Grotesquely Restricted Access Forum" instead of smearing it with "Free Speech" lipstick?
The answer is that I wasn't banned for any legitimate reason.
No shit, Bob. Real bitch, ain't it?
I was banned because Davis wanted to do USHPA a favor so they would do him a favor.
You were banned from The Davis Show because Davis does whatever the fuck he feels like with zero respect for rules and fairness. Just like I was banned from The Bob Show because Bob does whatever the fuck he feels like with zero respect for rules and fairness.
That's part of what's wrong with the sport...
No shit.
...and it's what we're trying to fix here on the US Hawks.
DO let us know when WE start making some progress in that department.
If you're still not sure, please read my post above. Those were four reasonable questions I asked of a Regional Director candidate during an election.
Did Tad look like the best candidate...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=929
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Warren Narron - 2012/01/06 18:55:32 UTC

Going against the grain here, but someone has to point out that the probable best candidate to write a training manual has been banned from this site.
...for banning from The Bob Show?
Does that look like a post that should have been removed? Does that look like a post that should get a guy banned from the Oz Forum?
Quote a post from me that justified you banning me from The Bob Show - preferably one that indicated I was making it an unsafe place for people of varying ages to visit.
Is the sport of hang gliding better off with questions like those being asked ... or is it better off with questions like those being suppressed?

Davis banned me because it got him a role in USHPA's Competition Committee.
You banned be 'cause I wouldn't play nicely with you and your pet douchebags.
As I said, if he's defending me now, it's because he sees it as a playing card for something else he wants ... for Davis.
He's defending you 'cause he doesn't have a choice. Bit similar to the reason he's now suddenly and inexplicably happy with four hundred pound towline weak links.
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Re: The Bob Show

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What Rich said
Brian McMahon - 2015/03/12 15:21:54 UTC

The Concessionaire is digging a hole he isn't going to be able to get out of.
Ditto for U$hPA.
If you have any question at all about whether or not BOB K can sign in and fly there, read page four of the current lease, section 1.10 Public Use:
http://takebacktorrey.com/docs/lease/LEASE.HTM

The office and every structure on the premises is part of the park, according to the lease. When the current concessionaire is replaced by some other lessee, what will happen to all of the structures on the premises? They are part of the park, so they will remain, the concessionaire does not own them in whole or part. In any case, the rules state that a pilot has to check in and pay a fee before flying (or at least check in if they are yearly members). It would be unreasonable for a pilot to not be able to go into the building to check in if the rules state that they have to do that. The Concessionaire has a bunch of sour grapes in his mouth and is as stubborn...
"Stubborn" is not an appropriate characterization.
...as Bob is, so this dispute is going to drag on.
"Dispute" doesn't quite hit the nail on the head either.
I find it interesting that for years the USHPA has publicly disavowed any interest and any responsibility for Torrey.
Along with goddam near everything else.
They have repeatedly stated that they want no part in any disputes involving USHPA members and the operators of the site...
...fairness, legal issues, enforcement of its own SOPs...
...but now they have Tim Herr showing up to see what is clearly a dispute between the site and a USHPA member. The reason Tim Herr showed up is likely to gather any information possible to discredit Bob when he goes on the stand regarding the pending lawsuit involving the P-0 and P-1 collision. I highly doubt Tim showed up to this hearing for no particular reason. Mark Forbes was wrong...
Lying.
...about how the hearing is conducted (among other things). It is true that it is not a trial with completely formal trial procedures, but the plaintiff and the defendant clearly sit on one side of the room or the other and so do the supporters or witnesses for either side. That is not to say that they could not sit where ever they like, but everyone clearly sat on the side they were with. Obviously Tim is in contact with the Concessionaire lawyers regarding this whole mess...
Travesty.
...and he showed up to see the outcome of this hearing.

The Concessionaire lawyers tried to use a ridiculous argument that Bob was a violent threat to personnel working at the site because he supposedly "stalked" them. If Bob will put up the video that started this incident, you will see that Bob was nervous and they knew it. This idea that he was following the employees home and stalking them at the site was the only thing they could attempt to use to get the restraining order (there was nobody they could produce to say that Bob had ever threatened them). The "stalking" allegations were a bunch of fabrications.
Obvious and transparent crap.
The Judge allowed this hearing to stretch into seven or eight...
Six.
...sessions, where most of these are resolved within a couple of hours.

There is going to be a newspaper article about Bob and Torrey in a local publication called "The Reader" in the next week or so, or maybe further out as I'm sure that the reporter will be interested in the latest developments. The whole ugly mess is going to go public. All of this would be avoidable if the City of San Diego would just create some kind of oversight board so that disputes can be resolved without having the Police and the Court system get involved. I don't know what kind of pull the Concessionaire has with the Police or elements within the City...
Unlimited.
...but I can only guess that there is some corruption here.
Ya think?
Arresting Bob for Trespassing and then declining to prosecute him, then doing it again? It doesn't make sense, not to mention, by the wording of the lease, Bob can't be trespassing unless the City revokes his right to be there, not the lessee. The police may be misguided...
Incompetent, grossly negligent at best.
...believing that the Concessionaire has the right to expel people, but past attempts using the police have all failed until now.
Steve Forslund - 2015/03/13 05:24:23 UTC

They didn't prosecute Bob and you cry corruption, I thought he insisted on being arrested?
You "THOUGHT" wrong. He insisted upon asserting his rights to legally sign in and fly at a city park instead of caving to corruption, illegal conduct, bullying, unbridled thuggery.
The drama continues partly on Bob wanting it to continue.
Fuck you, asshole. Fuck anybody who doesn't want this "DRAMA" to continue until it's resolved the way it needs to be - with criminal convictions for the Jebb Gansters and their permanent expulsion from Torrey and USHGA.
The last altercation he wanted to stand nearby filming and critiquing the instructors.
1. I missed the critiquing part.
2. Name the instructorS.

Either go to the trouble of finding out what the undisputed facts of this situation are or shut the fuck up.
Poking the bear instead of showing up and flying.
Total fucking shithead.
He proved to me online and messages that he can't and won't work with others.
So? That makes it OK to illegally ban him from flying and have him arrested by corrupt cops using absurdly and blatantly false allegations?
I along with others trying to help and support him were ultimately forced to walk away by his caustic attitude and his lack of being able to see gray.
Bob sees all the gray he wants to when he's doing shit like making up reasons flyers shouldn't hafta comply with USHGA hook-in check SOPs and FAA aerotowing regulations but lotsa stuff in this game IS black and white - and this situation couldn't possibly be any more so.
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Re: The Bob Show

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What Rich said
Phil Sergent - 2015/03/13 19:11:53 UTC
Penryn, California

Such an inappropriate gesture from the Air California Adventure owner. Does somebody need a hug? I'll bet he hasn't been banned from posting on the OZ Report :).
No, The Davis Show's existence is heavily dependent upon total scumbags like David Jebb.
Davis Straub - 2015/03/13 19:39:05 UTC

I have no idea who he is and I don't believe we have ever heard from him.
Way to stay on top of one of the most important situations in the history of the sport of hang gliding, Highly Esteemed Journalist Davis Dead-On Straub.
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Re: The Bob Show

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What Rich said
Steve Forslund - 2015/03/13 05:24:23 UTC

They didn't prosecute Bob and you cry corruption, I thought he insisted on being arrested? The drama continues partly on Bob wanting it to continue.  The last altercation he wanted to stand nearby filming and critiquing the instructors. Poking the bear instead of showing up and flying. He proved to me online and messages that he can't and won't work with others. I along with others trying to help and support him were ultimately forced to walk away by his caustic attitude and his lack of being able to see gray.
Brian McMahon - 2015/03/15 04:28:11 UTC

They didn't prosecute Bob because there was nothing that they could prosecute. The travesty here is that someone can be arrested, charged, not prosecuted because there was no crime, then be rearrested for exactly the same thing that there was no basis to prosecute the last time around. What you think of Bob personally is about as important as the dirt under my fingernail. There is bad blood between the Concessionaire and Bob, but the precedent is now taking on a life of it's own.
Speaking of PRECEDENTS, Brian...
Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC

I don't know whether you were genuinely doing what you felt was the right thing to do or just looking for convenient justification to finally can Tad, but I believe your actions were inappropriate and set a terrible precedent for your organization.
Can a guy with a lease to sell hotdogs in a public park call the police and have somebody removed because he is a lessee and doesn't like the somebody?
In San Diego? Yes.
That is what is happening here.
Like trying to explain to other total moron hang glider people why a piece of fishing line can't be fine tuned for aerotow safety and if it could it wouldn't be the precise same fishing line for 200 and 350 pound gliders.

Fuck you again, Steve.
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What Rich said
Phil Sergent - 2015/03/13 13:11:11 UTC

Any conversation/comments here about BK is void of one important thing - his voice.
And one or two other voices that don't get the Davis Dead-On Straub stamp of approval.
He is allowed to post over at the US Hawks site.
Well OF COURSE he is! One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.
Davis Straub - 2015/03/13 14:02:33 UTC

Allowed? It's his web site, so yah, he is allowed there.
Well yeah, that too. Obviously another big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of Bob over anyone else's.
Bille Floyd - 2015/03/15 11:55:25 UTC

Dude , he is the president of the Hawks ;
Yeah? So when was he elected and by how much of a margin?
he started that club .
Oh, it's a club?
BK got Booted from BOTH , (OZ and .ORG) , because he's a confrontational A-((O)) !!
Is there something in the rules of either dictatorship which excludes confrontational assholes? Is one on solid ground if one is an agreeable asshole? Does it matter whom or what an asshole is confronting?
Come to think of it ;
Don't start thinking now, Bille. You might blow another circuit.
didn't he also get Booted out from an official position with the HSHPA ,
for the same reason ?
1. I dunno, what the fuck is the HSHPA?

2. How the fuck did you manage to advance from the second grade writing the way you do?

3. Why does a Torrey flier need to ask anything about Bob's recall?

Hey Bille...

You ninety percent killed your stupid ass and lost your spleen taking off on an unpreflighted glider immediately after removing your parachute to hand it over for repacking.

http://ozreport.com/forum/files/having_a_bad_day_178.jpg
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You lost both your lower legs 'cause you were in 2007 as you still are in 2015 too fucking stupid to bother doing hook-in checks.

http://ozreport.com/forum/files/copy_2_of_imgp1239_197.jpg
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It's cost taxpayers probably millions of dollars to get you through hospitals and keep you going.

Someone who needs to work his way thousands of feet up from waste of space doesn't get to refer to other people as assholes. Get back to me after you've done something positive for the sport. I'll be over here not holding my breath.
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Bad news for for the premier site in Hawaii
Tommy Thompson - 2015/03/21 00:14:49 UTC

I wished Obama would move to Africa.
They can use some hope and change over there for awhile. And maybe Michelle can find a tree to swing from if she can't get a part in the next planet of the Apes movie Image
Astounding what Friendly Positive Approachable Community people can get away with inside their Friendly Positive Approachable Communities. Reminds me a lot of Brian Horgan's "dont be a fag" thread. This Jack and Davis Show asshole is also a Bob Show member in excellent standing. Really happy to see Bob's made sure his dump is a safe place for people of varying ages to visit - even if it doesn't seem to be all that safe a place for people of varying colors and orientations to visit.
Steve Corbin - 2015/03/21 01:51:01 UTC

WooHoo!
Is that what/all you have to say on that, Steve?

This just in:
2015/03/21 02:34:15 UTC - Sink This! -- Brian Scharp
And later:
2015/03/23 13:34:17 UTC - Sink This! -- Jason Boehm
2015/03/21 09:48:49 UTC - Sink This! -- Helix
2015/03/22 22:56:12 UTC - Sink This! -- TiCruiser
2015/03/23 03:18:14 UTC - Sink This! -- NMERider
2015/03/23 13:30:21 UTC - Sink This! -- Jim Gaar
2015/03/21 09:39:47 UTC - Sink This! -- Paul Hurless
2015/03/22 16:02:40 UTC - Sink This! -- Rich Jesuroga
2015/03/23 03:00:09 UTC - Sink This! -- Nic Welbourn
2015/03/23 13:05:14 UTC - Sink This! -- Jim Rowan
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Bad news for for the premier site in Hawaii
gluesniffer - 2015/03/21 02:52:40 UTC

Uh your pointy hats are starting to show.
You guys are two people I hope to never fly with Image
That's the way I feel about the vast majority of hang glider people.
2015/03/21 08:00:11 UTC - 3 thumbs up - Heli1
2015/03/23 03:18:51 UTC - 3 thumbs up - NMERider
Steve, I have more than half a mind to ban you over this.
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