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[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1787
USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/21 07:45:01 UTC

If there has been any remaining shred of doubt in anyone's mind that we need a new national hang gliding association, this should extinguish it.

I got 2 email messages from USHPA today (technically yesterday since it's after midnight as I'm typing).

One email message was sent at 03:06:06pm and the other was sent 6 seconds later at 3:06:12pm. The first was USHPA's notification to ME that they were initiating an expulsion proceeding against me. The second (sent 6 seconds later) was their newsletter where they announced to all USHPA members (and the world) that the USHPA Board voted to expel me last week (March 14th).

Isn't it interesting the great care they took to ensure that both messages were sent almost simultaneously ... even though the Board presumably made this decision a week ago back on March 14th.

Here are the two email messages (somewhat shortened):

USHPA Email sent at 03/20/2015 03:06:12 PM wrote:
Member Expulsion

USHPA Board Action

The Board voted to initiate the procedure for expulsion of Robert Kuczewski under Article V, Section 4 (a)(iv) of the Bylaws:

Expulsion of the member based on the good faith determination by the Board of Directors or a committee designated to make such determination that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing this corporation as promulgated by the Board from time to time or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the corporation.

USHPA Email sent at 03/20/2015 03:06:06 PM wrote:
Dear Mr. Kuczewski,

On March 14, 2015, the Board of Directors of the United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association (USHPA) determined that you should be expelled from the association pursuant to the USHPA bylaws which provide for the expulsion of a member based upon a good faith determination by the board that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing USHPA or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purpose and interests of USHPA.

This letter is notice to you pursuant to the Procedure for Expulsion set forth in USHPA's bylaws that you will be expelled from USHPA effective April 29, 2015. This notice is being sent to you more than 15 days before the proposed effective date of your expulsion as required by the bylaws.

In addition, pursuant to the USHPA bylaws, you are being given an opportunity to be heard both orally and in writing at a hearing which will be held more than 5 days before the effective date of the proposed expulsion.

The hearing will be conducted before the USHPA Board of Directors in a special meeting of the Board of Directors to be held April 22, 2015 starting at 6:00 PM PDT. The hearing will take place by conference call. You will be provided with the conference call number and password via email on April 21, 2015. The email address we have on file for you is bobkuczewski@gmail.com. If this email address is incorrect, please notify the USHPA office immediately.

You may present written materials in opposition to your expulsion. Any evidence that you wish to present in opposition to the proposed expulsion (such as witness statements and documents) must be submitted as written materials. Such evidence may include your statement of facts known personally to you, statements by witness of facts known personally by those witnesses, and documents that you wish the board to consider in making its final determination on the proposed expulsion. Any witness statements must be made under penalty of perjury under the laws of the states of California and Colorado and must affirmatively demonstrate that the witness has personal knowledge of the facts set out in the statement. Written materials may also consist of argument. Your written materials must be received at the USHPA headquarters - USHPA 1685 W. Uintah St., Colorado Springs, CO 80904 - no later than 5:00 PM local time on April 17, 2015. Any written materials received after that date and time will not be considered. The written materials will be the only evidence to be considered by the Board of Directors in opposition to the proposed expulsion.

The hearing is your chance to orally present your arguments to the Board of Directors in opposition to the proposed expulsion. In your argument, you may refer to any timely received written materials. No additional evidence, not submitted in writing as set forth in the previous paragraph, will be considered. You must represent yourself at the hearing - you may not have anyone else speak for you - and no one else may speak on your behalf.

Whether the hearing is open or closed is entirely up to you. Unless, by April 17, 2015, you request that the hearing be closed, listen-only attendance at the hearing will be open to any USHPA member. At your request, the hearing will take place in closed session and attendance will be limited to directors, committee chairs and USHPA staff.

Following the hearing, the Board of Directors will meet in closed session and determine whether or not the proposed expulsion should take place, and you will be promptly notified of their decision before the proposed expulsion date.

The behavior upon which the board has determined that you should be expelled from the association falls into the following categories:

1. Creation of at least two national hang gliding organizations with the stated purpose of competing with USHPA, one of which you currently control;

2. Endangering safety of paragliding and hang gliding operations involving members of USHPA, USHPA Certified Instructors, and USHPA Tandem Instructors at the Torrey Pines Gliderport (TPGP) ...

3. Endangering the existence of an historic and important hang gliding and paragliding site, namely the Torrey Pines Gliderport;

4. Misstatements and misrepresentations made by you to the San Diego City Council over the course of more than 2 years regarding hang gliding and paragliding taking place at the Torrey Pines Gliderport.

5. Misstatements and misrepresentations made by you to the San Diego City council, to the effect that your actions in connection with the Torrey Pines Gliderport are in some way sanctioned, authorized, approved by, or somehow of assistance to USHPA;

6. Misrepresenting to the San Diego City Council, on March 10, 2015, that: "Those pictures resulted in a change in the United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association's SOPs that basically say you have to wear a helmet when you're hooked into a glider, that's for safety, he was violating that. If I can't go there and take those pictures that change wouldn't have happened";

7. Repeated publication of false and misleading statements concerning USHPA, its officers and its directors;

8. Misrepresentation as to your qualifications to serve as an expert witness in a court case, ...

9. Factual misrepresentations made in connection with your service as an expert witness in a court case, ...

You can bet this took lots of planning, coordination, and money spent on USHPA's lawyer (Tim Herr).

Just remember this is how USHPA is spending your money.

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/21 07:45:01 UTC

If there has been any remaining shred of doubt in anyone's mind that we need a new national hang gliding association, this should extinguish it.

Hasn't been for me since 2009 - but certainly not the Orwellian monstrosity you're creating.

Here are the two email messages (somewhat shortened):

WHY are they (somewhat shortened), Bob? This shit isn't important enough to post in full?

USHPA Email sent at 03/20/2015 03:06:12 PM wrote:

Expulsion of the member based on the good faith determination by the Board of Directors or a committee designated to make such determination...

Good faith from U$hPA...

...that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing this corporation as promulgated by the Board from time to time or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the corporation.

How 'bout the sewer of your vile corporation failing in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing this corporation and engaging in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of recreational aviation in general and hang gliding in particular?

If this email address is incorrect, please notify the USHPA office immediately.

If that email address is incorrect, how do you stupid fucks think he's going to be reading your request to please notify the USHPA office immediately?

You may present written materials in opposition to your expulsion.

Just WRITTEN material, right? The Board members all know how to read but haven't yet figured out how to watch videos?

Any evidence that you wish to present in opposition to the proposed expulsion (such as witness statements and documents) must be submitted as written materials.

1. This presumes that a significant percentage of Bob's defenders are functionally literate.

2. So is there some assurance we can get that any of you motherfuckers...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/10/23 16:29:29 UTC

As for Nobody's request for me to read a document, I haven't found the time yet. I'm sorry, but I don't have time to read everything that everyone asks me to read.

...will actually HAVE TIME TO READ anything Bob submits?

Such evidence may include your statement of facts...

Oh, you're gonna allow FACTS to be presented in evidence. Have you really considered the ramifications of setting such a precedent?

...known personally to you, statements by witness of facts known personally by those witnesses, and documents that you wish the board to consider in making its final determination on the proposed expulsion.

And if Bob wishes the board to consider any of that material in making its final determination on the proposed expulsion we can be damned sure that the board will consider it in making its final determination on the proposed expulsion..

Suck my dick, U$hPA. It's pretty fuckin' obvious that you pieces o' shit made your final determination on the proposed expulsion a long time ago.

Any witness statements must be made under penalty of perjury under the laws of the states of California...

And we saw just how seriously the state of California takes perjured statements with the Jebb Gang members' testimony about Bob at the recent restraining order court proceedings.

...and Colorado and must affirmatively demonstrate that the witness has personal knowledge of the facts set out in the statement.

I've seen the stills from the video. Does that qualify me?
(Post the fuckin' video NOW, Bob.)

Written materials may also consist of argument. Your written materials must be received at the USHPA headquarters - USHPA 1685 W. Uintah St., Colorado Springs, CO 80904 - no later than 5:00 PM local time on April 17, 2015. Any written materials received after that date and time will not be considered.

As, of course, will be any written materials received BEFORE that date and time.

The written materials will be the only evidence to be considered by the Board of Directors in opposition to the proposed expulsion.

1. What? I thought the Board of Directors was entirely SUPPORTIVE of the proposed expulsion.

2. And, obviously, you wouldn't wanna have your perceptions of the situation influenced by Bob's smoking gun video because a video doesn't fall under the definition of written materials.

The hearing is your chance to orally present your arguments to the Board of Directors in opposition to the proposed expulsion. In your argument, you may refer to any timely received written materials. No additional evidence, not submitted in writing as set forth in the previous paragraph, will be considered.

Like the 911 terrorist attacks investigation. No one considered the video and television footage of passenger jets slamming into the World Trade Center twin towers and Pentagon.

You must represent yourself at the hearing - you may not have anyone else speak for you - and no one else may speak on your behalf.

Is that in the Bylaws? What is it that you're afraid of in having anyone speak on Bob's behalf? I'm assuming that as many of you lying sleazy motherfuckers as you feel like will have free reign to spew as much total shit at Bob as you feel like.

Whether the hearing is open or closed is entirely up to you. Unless, by April 17, 2015, you request that the hearing be closed, listen-only attendance at the hearing will be open to any USHPA member.

Any chance of on ex member who hates your fuckin' guts getting a listen?

At your request, the hearing will take place in closed session and attendance will be limited to directors, committee chairs and USHPA staff.

Following the hearing, the Board of Directors will meet in closed session and determine whether or not the proposed expulsion should take place, and you will be promptly notified of their decision before the proposed expulsion date.

How long do you think that farce will take? Ten or fifteen seconds?

The behavior upon which the board has determined that you should be expelled from the association falls into the following categories:

1. Creation of at least two national hang gliding organizations with the stated purpose of competing with USHPA, one of which you currently control;

That in the Bylaws somewhere? Can't do anything to dilute the power of a grotesquely corrupt monopoly?

2. Endangering safety of paragliding and hang gliding operations involving members of USHPA, USHPA Certified Instructors, and USHPA Tandem Instructors at the Torrey Pines Gliderport (TPGP) ...

1. What's your evidence?

2. How come none of you pieces o' shit were ever the least bit worried about your Aerotow Industry's flagrant violation of FAA weak link regulations and all of the resultant death and destruction?

3. Endangering the existence of an historic and important hang gliding and paragliding site, namely the Torrey Pines Gliderport;

What was he doing? Shoveling out the base of the cliff?

4. Misstatements and misrepresentations made by you to the San Diego City Council over the course of more than 2 years regarding hang gliding and paragliding taking place at the Torrey Pines Gliderport.

And the totally accurate statements and representations made by Bob were EVEN WORSE!!!

So, lying U$hPA shits... Just how many of all those misstatements and misrepresentations made by Bob to the San Diego City Council over the course of more than two years regarding hang gliding and paragliding taking place at the Torrey Pines Gliderport did you feel were worth publicly refuting?

5. Misstatements and misrepresentations made by you to the San Diego City council, to the effect that your actions in connection with the Torrey Pines Gliderport are in some way sanctioned, authorized, approved by, or somehow of assistance to USHPA;

Nah, it was just COINCIDENCE that you enacted the obnoxious Bob Kuczewski Mandatory Helmet Regulation about a half hour after the video incident hit the fan. Just like...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Davis Straub - 2011/08/28 15:26:28 UTC

Then again, Russell Brown had us double up behind him after six breaks in a row at Zapata. We couldn't figure out why we had so many breaks so quickly. Maybe just coincidence.

...the COINCIDENCES of those standard aerotow weak links breaking six times in a row in light morning conditions, Russell Brown having everyone double them up right afterwards, and everybody suddenly becoming happy with Tad-O-Links a half hour after Zack Marzec's tragic freak accident.

6. Misrepresenting to the San Diego City Council, on March 10, 2015, that: "Those pictures resulted in a change in the United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association's SOPs that basically say you have to wear a helmet when you're hooked into a glider, that's for safety, he was violating that. If I can't go there and take those pictures that change wouldn't have happened";

An OBVIOUS and DESPICABLE *LIE*!!! That point ALONE is twenty times the justification for a lifetime expulsion! Two or three million in damages on top. I don't know why you've got this one all the way down here as Point Six. U$hPA is CONSTANTLY updating its safety regulations as it becomes aware of the need. For Bob to correlate this with anything related to his actions at Torrey...

7. Repeated publication of false and misleading statements concerning USHPA, its officers and its directors;

Like THIS:

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Bob Kuczewski - 2013/03/10 18:20:34 UTC

I first learned about Tad Eareckson when I was Regional Director and the USHPA Board circulated a letter he had written (with intention to send?) to the FAA about some dangerous practices in hang gliding.

The Board's knee-jerk response was to try to take some kind of legal action to silence Tad. I indicated that I thought we shouldn't be sending our lawyers in as our first response, and that maybe we should have someone talk with him first. So Dennis Pagen volunteered, and I believe the matter was settled without any serious damage to the sport.

one?

OK, so you motherfuckers quote something.

8. Misrepresentation as to your qualifications to serve as an expert witness in a court case, ...

U$hPA - 2012/06

This article was peer-reviewed and approved for publication by the USHPA Towing Committee.

Lisa is the Associate Dean and Professor of Surgery at the University of Michigan Medical School, and is past chair of the USHPA Towing committee. Tracy is a retired university professor, current chair of the Towing committee, and regional director for USHPA Regions 7 & 13. He is also a FAAST Team Safety Counselor for the FAA Detroit FSDO area. They are both very active multi-engine commercial airplane and glider pilots, tug pilots, and tandem hang gliding instructors for the Dragon Fly Soaring Club at Cloud 9 Field (46MI), Michigan. Please feel free to contact them about towing related issues at cloud9sa@aol.com.

9. Factual misrepresentations made in connection with your service as an expert witness in a court case, ...

I wanna hear the whole fuckin' charge, Bob.

You can bet this took lots of planning, coordination, and money spent on USHPA's lawyer (Tim Herr).

Nah, he JUST HAPPENED to be in San Diego on those couple occasions and JUST HAPPENED to stop by the court out of idle curiosity and JUST HAPPENED to park his ass on the side of the lying Gliderport thugs.

Just remember this is how USHPA is spending your money.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=674
Nate's minor accident at PackSaddle

Tad Eareckson - 2011/07/07 12:10:38 UTC

Along my lines of thinking that the best hope for hang gliding is to have USHGA sued out of existence.

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/07/08 12:12:13 UTC

USHPA doesn't need to be destroyed. It just needs competition.

I never forgot. And they haven't been spending any of my money since 2008.

So Bob... How things going with MY after-the-fact expulsion "hearings" on The Bob Show with your Fake Board of Directors? How come I'm not getting any of the Fake Due Process that uU$hPA is pretending to afford you?

P.S. Donchya like the way they didn't use any foul language in either of those posts?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41619
Goodbye Bob K?

Davis Straub - 2015/03/21 00:27:29 UTC

USHPA to initiate action

The USHPA writes:

Anytime the U$hPA writes anything it's bad.

The Board voted to initiate the procedure for expulsion of Robert Kuczewski under Article V, Section 4 (a)(iv) of the Bylaws:

Expulsion of the member based on the good faith determination by the Board of Directors or a committee designated to make such determination that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing this corporation as promulgated by the Board from time to time or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the corporation.

Brian McMahon - 2015/03/21 04:35:29 UTC
San Diego

I'm not sure what to make of this.

I am. Pretty obvious pattern.

A result of trying to form a new HG org? A result of haranguing the USHPA for years? A result of testifying against as an expert regarding the P-1/P-0 collision at Torrey? All of those things plus just being generally disagreeable with the status quo?

Really? And here I was thinking...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=929
Training Manual Comments / Contribution

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/01/07 17:59:55 UTC

I'm looking for people who can work together to build an on-line training manual for hang gliding. Yes, that does require a certain amount of agreeability and willingness to compromise. The only Training Manual that Tad can build is the one where he has 100% control.

...that Bob was really into agreeability and willingness to compromise.

A reckless safety threat to himself or others? Is Bob such threat to the USHPA?

Not at all. Trusting clueless little jerks like Terry Mason...



...on the other hand...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7462005802_bbc0ac66ac_o.jpg


Bigtime.

The USHPA is made up largely of crackpots...

The remainder being made up of sleazy calculating motherfuckers.

...so the getting rid of a crackpot theory doesn't hold water.

And see above about sleazy calculating motherfuckers.

The BOD made a statement here without really saying anything. It's double talk; nonsense.

Ya think?

Scott Pakin's Automatic Complaint Generator could not have done a finer job.

What makes you think they weren't using Pakin's Automatic Complaint Generator?

Besides all that, this just looks bad.

Don't worry. As U$hPA steadily degrades the membership will acclimate.

It looks a whole lot like the USHPA is doing everything that they can to discredit Bob out of some kind of fear, loathing, and reprisal.

NO! REALLY? You'd think he was an unrepentant child molester or sumpin'.

It looks like they are taking sides...

The massive tandem thrill ride revenue sides. Who'da thunk.

...in a dispute that they have stated repeatedly that they would not become involved in.

Go figure. (Excellent point, by the way. Wish I'da thought of that one.)

I have to wonder how this will all play out in court. Is Bob going to just disappear from the P-1/P-0 case just because the USHPA decided to expel him? How will it look to a jury that someone willing to testify was thrown out in reprisal?

As it should, I hope.

I'm sure a lot of closed door meetings were held where all of this was discussed.

I pray we're seeing the beginning of an implosion.

How they all came to the conclusion that this would go over OK in the end is beyond me.

Group intelligence. Divide the IQ of the stupidest person in the group by the number of individuals in the group.

Davis says all of the real work is done in the committees, the BOD votes are just formalities.

Davis says he's happy with the 200 pound Tad-O-Link that's slightly stronger than the 130 pound Davis Link he used to be totally thrilled with.

Same with this action? Just a rubber stamped vote to oust a troublemaker? What has Bob done in the capacity of being a USHPA pilot that is so bad, so unsafe, or illegal to warrant expulsion?

Endorsed Sam as a genius, stated that he does feel that the BIG DEAL Tad makes about the performance of the Bobby Fucking-Genius Bailey bent pin barrel "release" is somewhat overblown, given covering fire to Peter Birren when we had the crosshairs centered on his chest, manufactured a shitload of ludicrous rot about deadly turbulent jet streams just above wings on launch to justify continued flagrant violation of USHGA's hook-in check regulation, pronounced the stall to be totally benign phenomenon, been derelict in his duty as a USHGA Board member to ensure safe and legal flying environments for tow pilots...

Sure, he is loud, he make waves, he takes a stand, he argues, and he is stubborn, but he is fighting for what he and many others see as issues of fairness...

On the occasions on which he's on the side of fairness.

...(and at a site where the USHPA has repeatedly stated that they had no reason to and no inclination to become involved). Again, this action looks like nothing more than a vindictive reprisal.

Totally disgusting and totally not surprising.

Davis Straub - 2015/03/21 12:12:28 UTC

All the work is done in committee meetings. I've don't recall seeing a closed one, but there are some that deal with personnel matters (like salaries). I don't know if the Bob K issue was dealt with in a closed meeting or not.

Fuck you, Davis.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1787
USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Phil Sergent - 2015/03/21 14:05:02 UTC

Those good ol' boys at the 'top' must be sitting around smoking their fat cigars, sipping a drink and congratulating themselves on saving the sport from you!!!! They are, in my view, that clueless.
So, Bob, you know you're doing something right when you have the 'top guns' gunning for you .

Yeah?

What's your next move?

Post the fuckin' video.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41619
Goodbye Bob K?

Mark G. Forbes - 2015/03/21 15:19:50 UTC

The decision was made after evaluation of written and video testimony by BobK in open session.

Wanna share it with us muppets - since that what's you're basing your decision on and it was an open session?

Since we're in the middle of the process right now, I'll not be commenting further on it until after the hearing and final decision in April.

OH! SINCE you're in the middle of the PROCESS right now, YOU'll not be commenting further on it until after the hearing and final decision in April.

Yeah, obviously. I mean if you're in the middle of some process it would be totally inappropriate, as well as a CLEAR VIOLATION of the Bylaws, for any U$hPA official to discuss anything concerning your process to remove Bob as a threat to all of us recreational pilot muppets. You should continue staying dead silent until after the "decision" is FINAL. Then give things another decade or so for good measure.

Hey Mark...

2. Endangering safety of paragliding and hang gliding operations involving members of USHPA, USHPA Certified Instructors, and USHPA Tandem Instructors at the Torrey Pines Gliderport (TPGP) ...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25321
Stop the Stupids at the USHPA BOD meeting

Mark G. Forbes - 2011/09/29 02:26:23 UTC

We can establish rules which we think will improve pilot safety, but our attorney is right. USHPA is not in the business of keeping pilots "safe" and it can't be. Stepping into that morass is a recipe for extinction of our association. I wish it were not so, but it is. We don't sell equipment, we don't offer instruction, and we don't assure pilots that they'll be safe.

Exactly when was it that you sleazy pigfuckers decided that U$hPA really WAS in the business of keeping pilots "safe"? And what was Bob doing? Running around and cutting off people's little red rubber FOCUSED PILOT wristbands?

MGF

Just figured out why you're so particular about always including your middle initial.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41619
Goodbye Bob K?

Alan Deikman - 2015/03/21 16:31:34 UTC

As someone who had a chance to observe city politics in Berkeley in the Seventies and Eighties I have seen this kind of thing many times. The nastiness and chicanery and passive-aggressive double dealing that can go on would make this BobK saga look like a cordial contract bridge tournament. And it was all done before the Internet was accessible (yes it existed) for most people to use for arguing.

The only thing I learned from all of it is never, ever come to a final judgement until you hear both sides of the story. The more outrageous the facts are as first presented the more this is true.

This was inevitable.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skysailingtowing/message/7104
AT SOPs - proposed revisions

Dutcher Sterling - 2009/05/14 00:27:53 UTC

Tad,

I can see your frustration as we now have a "professional" not for profit corporation called the USHPA. Which IMHO is no longer geared to be responsive to the needs of the pilot, but to those of the corporation.

It used to be a case of ineptitude and nepotism amongst the BOD, but now they are professionals...

Your best hope at this point is to send a copy of what you want changed, where in the SOPs, the changes themselves, and your arguments to the USHPA president, executive director, towing committee chair, safety and training committee chair, organization and bylaws committee chair; with a cover letter asking that these changes be made to the necessary documents. I would try to work through Tracy Tillman and Dave Broyles.

Then I would plan to take this to the next BOD meeting. If you can not go and champion this yourself, then find another to do so. Should this fail to get action of any sort, especially on the weak link standard and test standards then...

Sent your work to the FAA by certified mail and a copy to the USHPA, also certified, with a cover explaining your action and stating that if any injury or death occurs because the USHPA and its directors failed to take action that they are negligent in their duties to the pilot community.

Now I must tell you that the "New" "Better" "Professional" USHPA has gone to great length to insulate themselves from any responsibility/liability IMHO. So needless to say, as you seem to have found out, you will have little chance to get anything done, but there is always hope if you make enough noise.

I commend your efforts, but do fear the involvement of the FAA. I used to go to BOD meetings and was able to effect some change before health and financial issues grounded me...

It's only gonna get worse unless/until there's some kind of catastrophic collapse. And I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen. But it sure would be nice to see some deserving individual go to prison for an appropriate time - like fifteen consecutive life sentences.

[<BS>]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=137485#137485

He's a bad boy. The Letter from:

https://ushpa.aero/member_expulsion_letter-20150320.asp

March 20, 2015

Mr. Robert M. Kuczewski
PO Box 12888
La Jolla, CA 92039

Dear Mr. Kuczewski,

On March 14, 2015, the Board of Directors of the United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association (USHPA) determined that you should be expelled from the association pursuant to the USHPA bylaws which provide for the expulsion of a member based upon a good faith determination by the board that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing USHPA or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purpose and interests of USHPA.

This letter is notice to you pursuant to the Procedure for Expulsion set forth in USHPA's bylaws that you will be expelled from USHPA effective April 29, 2015. This notice is being sent to you more than 15 days before the proposed effective date of your expulsion as required by the bylaws.

In addition, pursuant to the USHPA bylaws, you are being given an opportunity to be heard both orally and in writing at a hearing which will be held more than 5 days before the effective date of the proposed expulsion.

The hearing will be conducted before the USHPA Board of Directors in a special meeting of the Board of Directors to be held April 22, 2015 starting at 6:00 PM PDT. The hearing will take place by conference call. You will be provided with the conference call number and password via email on April 21, 2015. The email address we have on file for you is bobkuczewski@gmail.com. If this email address is incorrect, please notify the USHPA office immediately.

You may present written materials in opposition to your expulsion. Any evidence that you wish to present in opposition to the proposed expulsion (such as witness statements and documents) must be submitted as written materials. Such evidence may include your statement of facts known personally to you, statements by witness of facts known personally by those witnesses, and documents that you wish the board to consider in making its final determination on the proposed expulsion. Any witness statements must be made under penalty of perjury under the laws of the states of California and Colorado and must affirmatively demonstrate that the witness has personal knowledge of the facts set out in the statement. Written materials may also consist of argument. Your written materials must be received at the USHPA headquarters - USHPA 1685 W. Uintah St., Colorado Springs, CO 80904 - no later than 5:00 PM local time on April 17, 2015. Any written materials received after that date and time will not be considered. The written materials will be the only evidence to be considered by the Board of Directors in opposition to the proposed expulsion.

The hearing is your chance to orally present your arguments to the Board of Directors in opposition to the proposed expulsion. In your argument, you may refer to any timely received written materials. No additional evidence, not submitted in writing as set forth in the previous paragraph, will be considered. You must represent yourself at the hearing - you may not have anyone else speak for you - and no one else may speak on your behalf.

Whether the hearing is open or closed is entirely up to you. Unless, by April 17, 2015, you request that the hearing be closed, listen-only attendance at the hearing will be open to any USHPA member. At your request, the hearing will take place in closed session and attendance will be limited to directors, committee chairs and USHPA staff.

Following the hearing, the Board of Directors will meet in closed session and determine whether or not the proposed expulsion should take place, and you will be promptly notified of their decision before the proposed expulsion date.

The behavior upon which the board has determined that you should be expelled from the association falls into the following categories:

- Creation of at least two national hang gliding organizations with the stated purpose of competing with USHPA, one of which you currently control;

- Endangering safety of paragliding and hang gliding operations involving members of USHPA, USHPA Certified Instructors, and USHPA Tandem Instructors at the Torrey Pines Gliderport (TPGP) by, among other things:

- Disrupting training of students at TPGP;

- Continuing to disrupt training of students at TPGP, after being asked to stop by TPGP personnel;

- Being in the active airfield restricted area of TPGP for purposes unrelated to flying;

- Remaining in, and refusing to leave the active airfield restricted area of TPGP after being asked by TPGP personnel to leave;

- Endangering the existence of an historic and important hang gliding and paragliding site, namely the Torrey Pines Gliderport;

- Misstatements and misrepresentations made by you to the San Diego City Council over the course of more than 2 years regarding hang gliding and paragliding taking place at the Torrey Pines Gliderport.

- Misstatements and misrepresentations made by you to the San Diego City council, to the effect that your actions in connection with the Torrey Pines Gliderport are in some way sanctioned, authorized, approved by, or somehow of assistance to USHPA;

- Misrepresenting to the San Diego City Council, on March 10, 2015, that: "Those pictures resulted in a change in the United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association's SOPs that basically say you have to wear a helmet when you're hooked into a glider, that's for safety, he was violating that. If I can't go there and take those pictures that change wouldn't have happened";

- Repeated publication of false and misleading statements concerning USHPA, its officers and its directors;

- Misrepresentation as to your qualifications to serve as an expert witness in a court case, including, but not limited to:

- Misrepresentation of paragliding experience;

- Misrepresentation of hang gliding experience;

- Misrepresentation of duties performed in your limited time as a USHPA regional director;

- Factual misrepresentations made in connection with your service as an expert witness in a court case, including, but not limited to:

- Representation that you had personally witnessed "a number of collisions by students who were under radio instruction of Air California Adventures' instructors", when in truth, you have only personally observed one such incident where students collided;

- Representation that the Torrey Pines Gliderport landing zone is a small restricted landing field when in truth there are two landing areas (the top landing area and the beach), the top landing area is at least 10 times larger than a restricted landing field as that term is defined in the USHPA SOPs, and the beach is thousands of times larger than a restricted landing field;

- Representation that landing at the Torrey Pines Gliderport is technically difficult, when in truth landing there is a relatively easy task;

- Representation that setting and enforcing minimum flight hour requirements for pilots flying at facilities is standard practice in the paragliding sport, when in truth, there is no such standard practice;

- Representation that setting and enforcing minimum rating requirements for pilots flying at facilities is a standard practice in the paragliding sport, when in truth, most of the paragliding flying sites in the country have no minimum pilot rating requirement;

- Representation that "[w]hen a student pilot who does not yet hold at least a P-2 rating is learning to fly at a particular facility, but does not yet have the minimum rating required by the facility, it is standard practice in the paragliding sport to only allow the student to fly while under the direct visual supervision of the student's instructor and while maintaining radio contact between instructor and student", when in truth this is not the standard practice - instead, the standard practice is to allow the student's USHPA certified instructor to evaluate the student's knowledge, skills, experience, aptitude and judgment and for that instructor to determine whether the student should fly at the particular site, and under what conditions such flights should take place (such as whether to require direct visual supervision or to require radio contact), irrespective of any minimum rating requirement that may have been generally set for the site;

- Representing that the Torrey Pines Gliderport was "crowded" on the day of the collision between Shannon Hamby and David Fischbach when in truth you did not even know how many gliders were in the air at the time of the collision, much less how many gliders were in the vicinity of the top landing zone at the time of the collision;

- Representing that "allowing student pilots, who hold no paragliding rating whatsoever, to fly at a site as difficult and as crowded as the Gliderport was at the time of the collision without visual instructor supervision and without maintaining radio contact constitutes an extreme departure from the ordinary standard of care in the paragliding industry", when in truth this is not a departure from the ordinary standard of care at all - instead, the standard practice is to allow the student's USHPA certified instructor to evaluate the student's knowledge, skills, experience, aptitude and judgment and for that instructor to determine whether the student should fly at the particular site, and under what conditions such flights should take place, irrespective of any rating having been previously awarded to the pilot;

- Representing that "safe practices demand that paragliding pilots who do not hold at least a P-3 rating, should only fly at the Gliderport in uncrowded conditions and when under the direct, visual supervision of their instructor, and while being in radio contact with their instructor. The failure to do so constitutes an extreme departure from the ordinary standard of care in the paragliding industry", when in truth this is not a departure from the ordinary standard of care in the sport of paragliding - instead, the standard practice is to allow the student's USHPA certified instructor to evaluate the student's knowledge, skills, experience, aptitude and judgment and for that instructor to determine whether the student should fly at the particular site, and under what conditions such flights should take place, irrespective of any rating having been previously awarded to the pilot;

- Representing that "Given the increased complexity of having student pilots fly in proximity to other aircraft, it is standard practice in the paragliding industry to physically separate a student pilot from other aircraft", when in truth this is not the standard practice in the sport of paragliding - instead, the standard practice is to allow the student's USHPA certified instructor to evaluate the student's knowledge, skills, experience, aptitude and judgment and for that instructor to determine whether the student should fly at the particular site, and under what conditions such flights should take place, including the amount of other air traffic to which the student should be exposed;

- Representing that "[e]ven where only experienced pilots are concerned, the standard practice in the paragliding industry is to enforce safety rules that limit the number of pilots that are landing at a given time in a restricted field", when in truth there is no standard practice to limit the number of pilots that are landing at a given time in any landing area, much less any rules setting any such limits, whether the landing field is restricted or not - instead, the standard practice is for pilots landing at any size landing zone to exercise their obligations under Part 103 to see and avoid each other, recognizing that sometimes more than one glider may be attempting to land at the same time;

- Implying by your representations that multiple gliders cannot safely land at the same time at the Torrey Pines Gliderport's top landing area, when in truth there is enough room in the top landing area of the Torrey Pines Gliderport for more than two paragliders to safely land at the same time;

- Representing that "[for] an instructor, who is on the ground, to guide a student paragliding pilot who is in the air, the instructor must exercise extreme vigilance and concentration. When the student is the only pilot in the air, the instructor is responsible for issuing commands to their student to ensure that the student's paraglider remains in the air and does not collide with other objects. When the student is in the air with other aircraft (paragliders hang gliders, remote control planes, etc.) the instructor's responsibilities and the difficulty inherent in his or her job increase exponentially. The instructor must not only ensure that the student is staying aloft, the instructor must also control (through verbal instruction) the flight path of the student, project where that student is going, see other aircraft in proximity to the student, and predict the flight path of those other aircraft so that collisions between the student and the other aircraft are avoided", when in truth this is not the case - it is not the instructor's responsibility to control the flight path of the student or ensure that there is no possibility of the student colliding with other aircraft. Instead, it is the student's responsibility - mandated by Part 103 - to see and avoid other aircraft, to control his own paraglider, to anticipate where he is going, to anticipate where other aircraft will go, and to avoid collisions with other aircraft.

- Representing that "In the paragliding industry, instructors who are not feeling well enough to fly are in no condition to be on the ground instructing students who are in the air. Allowing ill instructors to guide student pilots who are in the air is an unsafe practice because the instructor lacks the requisite focus and concentration for safely guiding his or her student pilot. Such practice constitutes an extreme departure from the ordinary standard of care in the paragliding industry", when in truth allowing an ill instructor to instruct is not a departure from the standard of care and the level at which an illness might interfere with an instructor's ability to concentrate or perform his duties as an instructor depends upon the nature and extent of any illness as well as the knowledge, skills, competence, experience and judgment of the student being trained at the time.

- Representing that a flying site acts improperly in allowing a master rated pilot who has flown hang gliders at the Gliderport since 1978, performing over 13,000 flights at the Gliderport in hang gliders and who has performed over 130 flights in paragliders at the Gliderport and logged over 40 hours of paraglider flight at the Gliderport and has demonstrated to the satisfaction of his instructors that he has all of the knowledge, skills and judgment to possess a P-1 and P-2 rating and almost all of the skill necessary to possess a P-3 rating, to fly a paraglider without being under direct visual supervision and being directed by radio. When in truth allowing such a pilot to go and fly a paraglider after checking in with his instructor and establishing an agreed plan for the flights he would take would be the normal, standard and accepted way to handle such a student with his level of experience in both hang gliders and paragliders.

The evidentiary materials which may be considered by the USHPA Board of Directors in support of the proposed expulsion of Robert M. Kuczewski from the membership of USHPA are the following:

- All materials posted at http://ushawks.org, which content is available to you as you are in control of that web site;

- All correspondence sent by Robert M. Kuczewski to USHPA and any USHPA board member, copies of which are in the possession of Robert M. Kuczewski;

- All correspondence sent by Robert M. Kuczewski to the San Diego City Council, copies of which are in the possession of Robert M. Kuczewski;

- All videos of Robert M. Kuczewski's Non-Agenda Comments to San Diego City Council, each of which videos are available on the San Diego City's web site;

- The deposition transcript of the deposition of Robert M. Kuczewski given on September 10, 2014;

- The San Diego Superior Court's entire file in Case Number 37-2013-00052120-CU-PO-CTL, copies of which are available at the court's web site;

- The San Diego Superior Court's entire file in Case Number 37-2014-00038828-CU-PT-CTL, copies of which are available at the court's web site;

- The transcript of the trial proceedings in San Diego Superior Court, Case Number 37-2014-00038828-CU-PT-CTL, copies of which are available for purchase by Robert M. Kuczewski from the court reporter(s) that reported the proceedings;

- Posts made by Robert M. Kuczewski to various public paragliding and hang gliding forums, the content of which is known to Robert M. Kuczewski as they were posted by him;

- http://www.torreyhawksforum.org

- Any other evidentiary materials identified by USHPA and disclosed to Robert M. Kuczewski at least 15 days before the hearing date.

You are encouraged to review Article 4, Section 4 of the USHPA bylaws. The bylaws are available for download on the members-only page at http://www.ushpa.aero. They are included in a document titled, USHPA SOP Book. Respectfully yours,

Martin Palmaz
Executive Director
US Hang Gliding & Paragliding Association

[Tad Eareckson]

https://www.ushpa.aero/member_ushpa_directors.asp
USHPA - Board of Directors

USHPA Board of Directors and Committees
R - Regional - 2yr
L - At Large - 1yr
X - Ex Officio

USHPA Directors

01 - AK OR WA
- R - Mark Forbes (EC, Treasurer) - 2015
- R - Rich Hass (EC, President) - 2016
- L - Paul Murdoch (EC, Vice President) - 2015
02 - NoCA, NV
- R - Jon James - 2015
- R - Josh Cohn - 2015
- R - Jugdeep Aggarwal - 2016
- L - Steve Rodrigues (EC, Secretary) - 2015
03 - SoCA HI
- R - Alan Crouse - 2015
- R - Corey Caffrey - 2015
- R - Pete Michelmore - 2016
04 - AZ CO NM UT
- R - Ken Grubbs - 2015
- R - Bill Belcourt - 2016
05 - ID MT WY Canada
- R - Josh Pierce - 2015
06 - AR KS MO NE OK - International except Canada
- R - Tiki Mashy - 2015
07 - IA IL IN MI MN ND SD WI
- R - Paul Olson - 2016
08 - CT MA ME NH RI VT
- R - Michael Holmes - 2016
09 - DC DE KY MD OH PA VA WV
- R - Larry Dennis - 2015
- R - Felipe Amunategui - 2016
- L - Dennis Pagen - 2015
- X - Art Greenfield
10 - AL FL GA MS NC SC TN VI PR
- R - Bruce Weaver - 2015
- R - Matt Taber - 2015
- R - Steve Kroop - 2016
- L - Jamie Shelden - 2015
11 - LA TX
- R - Tiki Mashy - 2015
12 - NJ NY
- R - Paul Voight - 2016
- L - Ryan Voight - 2015

Executive Committee (EC)
President - Rich Hass
Vice President - Paul Murdoch
Secretary - Steve Rodrigues
Treasurer - Mark Forbes

USHPA Standing Committees

Accident Reporting Committee - HG: Mitch Shipley (VOL) & PG: Josh Pierce
- Rolf Bienert
- Frank Drews
- Neil Hansen
- Chris Santacroce
- Pete Michelmore

Awards - George Sturtevant (VOL)
- Jugdeep Aggarwal
- Rob Sporrer
- CJ Sturtevant
- Kay Tauscher
- Paul Voight
- Ryan Voight

Chapter Support - Larry Dennis
- Jugdeep Aggarwal
- Josh Cohn
- Michael Holmes
- Wayne Michelsen
- Steve Rodrigues

Competition - Bill Hughes (VOL)
- Bill Belcourt
- Josh Cohn
- Arnold Frankenburger
- David Glover
- Steve Kroop
- Dennis Pagen
- Melanie Pfister
- Jamie Shelden
- Rob Sporrer

Elections / Allocations - Mark Forbes
- David Glover
- Ken Grubbs
- Rich Hass

Finance / Insurance / Risk Management - Paul Murdoch & Mark Forbes (co-chairs)
- Mark Forbes
- Paul Murdoch
- Ken Grubbs
- Rich Hass

Membership & Communications - Ken Grubbs
- James Bradley
- Corey Caffrey
- Josh Cohn
- Dan Deweese
- Mark Forbes
- David Glover
- Nick Greece
- Michael Holmes
- Steve Kroop
- Don Lepinsky
- Rob Sporrer
- Doug Stroop
- CJ Sturtevant
- Ryan Voight
- Bruce Weaver

Mentor Program Coordinator - TBD

Website Subcommittee - Steve Roti (VOL)

National Coordinating - Dick Heckman (VOL) & Bruno Schnedl (VOL)
- Tracy Tillman
- Dennis Pagen
- Dan DeWeese
- Felipe Amunategui
- Greg Kelley
- Ryan Voight
- Joe Gregor

Organization & Bylaws - Steve Rodrigues
- Ken Grubbs

Safety & Training - Greg Kelley (VOL)
- Kay Tauscher
- Michael Holmes
- Felipe Amunategui
- Ryan Voight
- Paul Voight
- Steve Kroop
- Matt Taber
- Bruce Weaver
- David Glover
- Josh Cohn
- Josh Pierce
- Steve Rodrigues
- Ken Grubbs
- Paul Olson
- Alan Crouse
- Dennis Pagen
- Mitch Shipley

Site Development & Retention - Paul Murdoch
- Jugdeep Aggarwal
- Don Lepinsky
- Paul Olson
- Ryan Voight

Strategic Planning - James Bradley (VOL)
- Josh Cohn
- Mark Forbes
- Ken Grubbs
- Rich Hass
- Martin Palmaz

Tandem - Paul Voight
- Matt Taber
- Steve Kroop
- Felipe Amunategui
- Ryan Voight
- Bruce Weaver
- Rob Sporrer
- Ken Grubbs
- Paul Olson
- Pete Michelmore
- Josh Cohn

Towing - HG: Felipe Amunategui & PG: Josh Cohn
- Steve Kroop
- Paul Olson
- Paul Voight
- Ryan Voight
- Bruce Weaver
- Matt Taber
- David Glover
- Bill Belcourt
- Paul Murdoch
- Greg Kelley

USHPA Office Staff
- Executive Director - Martin Palmaz
- Programs Manager - Julie Spiegler
- Operations Manager - Beth Van Eaton
- Membership Coordinator - Ashley Miller
- System Administrator - Eric Mead

Fuck each and every one of you pieces o' shit and the horses you rode in on either for perpetrating this travesty or going along with it and saying nothing.

And Bob, consider this... Despite the fact that I hate your fuckin' guts for the very best of multiple reasons I'm a better friend to you than any single one of these motherfuckers - 56 U$hPA "individuals" - or all of them put together.

P.S. How things going with the closed door "deliberations" on my Bob Show expulsion proceedings?

[Tad Eareckson]

P.P.S. Bob...

Of your current Bob Show membership list what percentage has given you support / covering fire in this current Torrey/U$hPA conflict?

And of that percentage what percentage has given you more than a small fraction of what your unrepentant child molester buddy has?

P.P.P.S. And DO please say howdy to your ardent supporter Peter Birren for me. And be sure to congratulate him on having this morning the first post to his inbred little cult since a couple days before Christmas.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32637
Bad news for for the premier site in Hawaii

RBT - 2015/03/21 08:28:31 UTC
Queensland

Same here. I found your ape analogy offensive.

Paul Hurless - 2015/03/21 09:40:36 UTC

Racist bullshit? Really? That's pretty pathetic.

Tommy Thompson - 2015/03/22 05:16:32 UTC

Don't fret about the rich or powerful screwing up a flying site. It's a way bigger problem than a house in Hawaii. The biggest problem is in DC at the White House! The Islamic movement is deep inside of our governments. Just check the current administration roster.

Eric Holder, Dianne Feinstein, Hillary & Nancy Pelosi are all political puppets, clowns, liars & butt kissers just like their boss. You can take your 7 million before being prez, and make it into 12 million on a $400K a year salary with $50k expenses not taxable in 6 years? Oh yeah, that difference was made up on book sales. I forgot. They are all in it for the money.
And I'll give you three guesses where they get it....and the first two don't count!

And like all politically correctness liberals who think being a cyber cop online, that it is the new age thing to do, you are a cyber bully. Every one is on the race card band wagon. Always labeling others, pointing fingers and trying to surpress freedom of speech and other constitional rights.

Obama himself said the US Constitution was outdated.

Lot's of it IS outdated. It's a much different planet from the one on which it was written. Example: We don't have legal slavery in any - versus all - of the states anymore. The architects knew that the world would continue to change and deliberately left things vague and open to interpretation.

I don't like his socialism policies or his racist wife. Racism only works white towards black. When is the last time you saw a black person charged with a hate crime for killing a white?

Yeah. I myself have been the target of blatant black on white racism on several occasions.

Where are the civil rights violations when blacks kill whites? Home invasions where three blacks kill an elderly white home owner? That's not racist? That's not a hate crime?

Maybe. So who's more likely to get executed? A white killing a black or a black killing a white?

You ever seen Michele or the kids pledging to the US flag?

You won't catch me pledging allegiance to the flag and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all - 'cause that's total fuckin' bullshit.

And the early attempt to justify why Obama did not place his hand over his heart during the national anthem or wear a flag lapel pin because he did not want to offend anyone?

Big fuckin' deal. I'm not much into obligatory religious rituals.

Oh no, don't get me started! I know a crook when I see one. I see way to much media sensorship.

I don't recall you getting too bent out of shape when michael170 was banned Tuesday for no other reason than he wasn't playing nicely with a bunch of sleazy Jack Show shits.

Lots of folks will not say anything. They fear being attacked. But not me. I don't play that game.

You very obviously do.

I am not hanging tight with anyone who says ISIS is not Islamic. Islamic State of Iraq & Syria. Excuse me.

So who's saying that?

If beheading and burning folks don't bother you, go ahead and be a sheeple.

How much deader do you end up being after a beheading or immolation than you do when a Davis Link increase the safety of the towing operation when you have the bar stuffed to compensate for being hit by a monster thermal? Zack Marzec was a U$hPA / Aerotow Industry murder victim.

Since I know what a wolf looks like, I choose to be a sheep dog and not a sheep! So don't be ba ba ba ba ba-ing at me.

Yeah, let's kill off the rest of the fuckin' wolves and turn Yellowstone into a sheep ranch. (Ever wonder what sheep dogs get fed as rewards for doing their jobs? I'm guessing it's not the extra lush green pasture grass left over when the sheep have finished grazing. (And I wonder just how much thought Chris Kyle gave to that issue when he headed over to Iraq to teach those bastards not to fly planes into our buildings.))

The national debt has doubled in 6 years. Obama says he is creating more jobs. But for who? Hispanics? Because the welfare, EBT & entitlement numbers are not subsiding.
And did you realize that Hispanic or Latino is not on the race list of the US Census Form? And whats up with no longer being illegal aliens and being called politically correct as undocumented? I went on the national social security website once and saw where it said even if you are not here legally, go ahead and sign up for you SS# so you can get your benefits. WTF?

The politically correct new agers are fools.

And hang glider jockeys are all fuckin' geniuses.

They stand there and soak up the proprganda exactly like Germany did with Hitler. And are so dumb that when Obama finally did produce his fake birth certificate, it had African American on it ( a term that did not exist at his birth ) because the word negro was used when he was born.

Total fucking lunatic bullshit. Look it up.

I just saw tonight some comedians on SNL's opening skit and they are talking about blacks, Obama, MLK and it's all funny. Everyone was laughing. So where do you draw the line?

I got no problem whatsoever drawing a line way to the north of you. I tend to give a lot of weight to INTENT.

But OMG don't say nothing in a serious manner! Or you are involved in a modern day witch hunt.

There've been people not overly fond of racial bigotry throughout human history. Might explain why those of us of European ancestry have a lot of Neanderthal DNA in our chromosomes.

And anyone who has an agenda against Israel and for the Palestinians is full of it too.

'Specially the Palestinians.

Did you read how much American tax payers money was used in recent Israelis elections by the US to defeat Netanyahu so the country could be further divided?

And they tell us we come from monkeys but if you point our those who you think really did, then the evolutionist say you are a racist.

I came from a monkey and don't have a problem being compared to one - if that's all the INTENT of the statement is. But that wasn't your INTENT and meaning in your statement. And I've got a HUGE problem with that.

Believe what you want to. But I did not have monkey ancestors.

Nah. You were created in God's image. And he obviously didn't come from a monkey. He was sitting around in his current form for trillions of years before the big bang waiting for that to happen and things to cool down enough to start producing humans who looked just like him so they could make the choice between kissing his ass or roasting in hell for the remainder or eternity.

Don't put no stupid ideas or labels on me.

Don't worry. You're doing an excellent job of covering that turf yourself.

Everytime I turn around liberals want to pin slavery on me & others who had nothing to do with it!

Other than continue to reap the benefits of it.

Black history month, Black entertainment TV, Miss Black America and 19 other major black organizations.... how long could we get by with a white titled organization with whites only about anything?

Pretty much all of our North American history up into the Sixties.

The real racist are running this country. And they are destroying America.

America is two continents.

At the end of our national anthem it says
"Land of the free and home of the brave"

Here's what the third verse says:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

FSK has bit of a mixed record on slavery and race. (I happened to be at the Francis Scott Key Auditorium at Saint John's College in Annapolis last night.

The free are the ones who enjoy what the brave have done to make and keep it so.

I was at Mount Vernon two Thursdays ago. Fuckin' HUGE operation powered by about 318 slaves - black I'm guessing.

Islamic terrorist attacked America on 9-11 2001. Or are others to darn ignorant to remember that?

Fuck no! Hell that was why we invaded Iraq, toppled Saddam Hussein, shut down terrorism once and for all, and turned that chunk of the world into the democratic paradise it is today.

And I about bet you, driving down the road and looking in other media sources you don't find the US flag at most residences.

Good. Not a big fan of flag wavers.

It's hard to find real patriots these days.

'Specially in North Carolina. Klan members... not much of a problem.

Obamas kids are surrounded by over a dozen armed guards at school. But our local elementary Schools are gun free zones. Well that's descrimination the way I see it.

That's common sense the way I see it - no matter what asshole happens to be in the White House at any given moment.

Some kids get protection while others do not.

Some kids NEED protection while others do not.

Just for the important kids huh?

No. Just for the ones who are predictable and obvious targets.

You know, the rich ones who escape military service... like Bill Clinton the draft dodger.

1. And George W. Bush the deserter.
2. Yeah, Bill should've gone to Nam and helped with the job of keeping the south part a democratic paradise.

I'd like to see Obama and his supporters move to another country and screw it up for 8 years.

Leaving you, Bob, Jack free to fix all the problems here.

Because lots of countries will not tolerate the Islamic fad that is sweeping America.

You're right. I think I'll go out and beat a couple Sikhs to death.

You can't search the woman with the berka on at the airport but the others are not even considered by any religious reasons to be omitted. That's discrimination in my book too. Search some and select others you dont? I would not get on a plane with them.

Would you get on a plane with Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney supplying the power and transmitting it through his tow mast breakaway protector and huge track record standard Rooney Link, declaring himself Pilot In Command, and dictating that you fly with Industry Standard bent pin garbage instead of your homemade funky shit? I'll take the fuckin' berka any day of the week.

I've never been crashed by a woman with a berka. I HAVE BEEN crashed - twice, and almost certainly deliberately - by a sleazy one-eyed white Canadian winch driver with a reputation as a paragon of hang gliding safety.

Yes, Obama is bad news.
Forcing millions of working Americans to loose their health care and making them go with higher premiums!

Not me.

IF YOU LIKE YOUR HEALTH CARE OR DOCTOR YOU CAN KEEP THEM.

I did.

And N. Pelosi... pass this bill and you will find out what's in it? Do you realize the magatude of that type of thinking?

Nah, I'm still working on the kind of thinking that results in magnitude being spelled that way.

Why don't these changers go to another country and institute their idiot ideas?

Why bother when you've got US hang gliding culture which has been a vacuum cleaner for idiot ideas ever since Donnell Hewett came along with is Autocorrecting Skyting Bridle, Reliable Release, and Infallible Weak Link?

Or why don't we hear about the other 400 countries on this planet in our sensored news?

Got any concerns about the heavily censored glider forums in which you participate?

The UN is bad news right behind the Islamic terrorist. Everyone focusing on Israel. Hey how about creating a Palestinian state right across the borders of anew already muslim based country? Or why does a muslim want to come to America so badly?

Same reason everybody else does. We're a bit behind most places in overpopulating them and raping all their natural resources.

Are they not happy in Arab territories?

Were the Okies happy with their Dust Bowl epicenter? Did the Californians welcome them with open arms when they bugged out?

Do they not want to be in Mecca?

I'm guessing a lot of them want to be on the land they inhabited for hundreds of years before it was stolen from them.

Obama kept his butt out of France because he is a coward. He does not stand against the terrorist. He said last year ISIS was not a threat. He knew. You can't tell me US intelligence is that darn slack!

Based upon what I'm seeing in hang gliding US intelligence is an oxymoron.

Go on usdebtclock.org and see the facts.

Oh, we're gonna start paying attention to facts now.

Half as many on welfare as taxpayers.
I don't buy into the government's or corporations modern day tax & fee programs who take take take & give to others. Share the wealth my butt. They have a hand in every pocket you own. Fracking chemicals in the ground water, coal ash in the streams & US oil being exported.

And that's gonna get much better under a Koch Brothers backed government.

It's weird how others are blinded to the truth. Like the black muslim in Texas who cut off the 54 year old white women's head and it being called workplace violence! What would they say if it had been the other way around? Racist hate crime!

And my favorite lie of all times:

http://www.wallaby.com/aerotow_primer.php
Aerotow Primer for Experienced Pilots

The Wallaby Ranch Aerotowing Primer for Experienced Pilots - 2015/03/22

A weak link connects the V-pull to the release, providing a safe limit on the tow force. If you fail to maintain the correct tow position (centered, with the wheels of the tug on the horizon), the weak link will break before you can get into too much trouble.

Fossil fuels are crude oil, coal & natural gas that came from the decayed plants and animals. WTF?

Fuck no. It's God's piss, shit, and flatulence. He put it there to help us be able to drive Hummers, leave our store entrances open in the winter, air condition our restaurants to arctic temperatures in the summer, dissolve our coral reefs, make this a much warmer/better planet.

If you really believe that then I would not even get out of bed in the morning! And not be concerned about anything the system has to offer. Next thing you know, you'll be telling your shrink about being abducted by aliens who put a shiny long probe up you butt.

Politics directly or indirectly affect us all, even in the flying community. And I guess if your head is stuck in the sand then maybe you can claim that your evolution as an ostrich was to blame and you did not see the windsock.

If you're bound and determined to whipstall all your landings to dead stops on old Frisbees in middles of LZs just how much difference is to gonna make which way the windsock is pointing?

Let's start being politically correct and change the word whack to oops or ut-oh. Change is good. Right?

Not the kind hang gliding has been doing since the late Seventies.

2015/03/23 03:12:50 UTC - 3 thumbs up - smokenjoe50
2015/03/22 12:25:27 UTC - Sink This! - Tormod Helgesen
2015/03/22 17:21:23 UTC - Sink This! - Brian Scharp
2015/03/22 16:03:33 UTC - Sink This! - Rich Jesuroga
2015/03/23 13:07:29 UTC - Sink This! - Jim Rowan
2015/03/22 16:03:33 UTC - Sink This! - Rich Jesuroga
2015/03/22 20:30:13 UTC - Sink This! - Heli1
2015/03/22 23:50:24 UTC - Sink This! - Paul Murdoch
2015/03/23 03:19:48 UTC - Sink This! - Paul Hurless
2015/03/22 12:25:27 UTC - Sink This! - Tormod Helgesen
2015/03/22 17:21:23 UTC - Sink This! - Brian Scharp
2015/03/22 22:58:23 UTC - Sink This! - TiCruiser
2015/03/23 03:19:16 UTC - Sink This! - NMERider

Tom Galvin - 2015/03/22 05:49:00 UTC

I don't fly a flag at the house. I don't march in parades, or have a yellow ribbon on my car. I don't have a flag lapel pin. I don't care who you love, how you worship, or where you family came from. I am not offended when I am called a liberal. I do chuckle when people question your patriotism for not buying their brand of hate.

Semper Fi

2015/03/22 16:03:55 - 3 thumbs up - Rich Jesuroga

Steve...

Steve Corbin - 2015/03/21 01:51:01 UTC

WooHoo!

I've waited a fair length of time for you to make some kind of retraction and it doesn't seem to be happening. As long as my fingers are on the buttons we're doing science and (due) civility over here - just like Zack said in the kick-off post. I'll leave a bit o' wiggle room but we're not doing creationism and/or blatant bigotry based on race or number of X chromosomes. And we won't be doing any more bigotry based on sexual/emotional orientation either. Bob went a bit nuts with that one and ruined it for everybody else.

I just banned you. That's something I'm not thrilled about doing - 'specially seeing as how Kite Strings isn't exactly bulging in the membership department - but I'm going for quality over quantity. Publicly distance yourself from Tommy's first post and apologize and I'll immediately and happily unban you.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32637
Bad news for for the premier site in Hawaii

Fletcher - 2015/03/22 19:11:45 UTC

soar8hours
Your post [Posted: 2015/03/22 05:16:32 UTC Post subject: bad news for the premier site.]
Made me really stop to think.

Glad it had that effect on SOMEBODY over at that dump.

Am I at a Hang Gliding forum or a KKK Rally?

You're at a KKK rally. Look who you have for a "moderator". Just banned michael170 for... What was it that michael was banned for? Oh yeah...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25963
Woman killed in B.C. hang gliding fall.

Jack Axaopoulos - 2015/03/17 22:21:34 UTC

michael170 has been BANNED

Enough already

"Enough already" Clearly defined in the site "rules". And right now he's running a popularity contest...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32644
smokenjoe50 ban vote

...to determine whether or not smokenjoe50 should have his wire cut. Must be something 'bout that in the rules somewhere too. But Klan stuff? Eh, what the fuck...

Time for the IGNORE BUTTON !!!!!

Good move. Just ignore these guys. Let 'em have the Sudetenland if that'll make 'em happy. Now if they invade Poland or sumpin'...

I didn't just ignore these assholes. I did what I was within my power to send a message. And I didn't worry for a nanosecond about popularity issues.