http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2068
Leaving the US Hawks
Steve Corbin - 2015/09/10 05:21:11 UTC
From personal experience, I know how tough it can be to be a loser. Your leaving is a losing experience for you, and someday you'll wake up, realizing what a loser you are.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881
Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny
Warren Narron - 2015/02/08 00:52:29 UTC
The Hawks has no product. There is no there, there.
I'm not apologizing for Bob. I love him...
The fundamental prerequisite for being a Bob Show member in good standing.
...and yet I can empathize with those that have trouble dealing with powerful personalities.
And if you check the LEGITIMATE element of the Mission Statement...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions
Is there a Board of Directors for the US Hawks?
Not yet. The HGAA's early problems arose because different people wanted to take the organization in different directions. That created power stuggles which cost the HGAA some of its early leadership. For now, I'm going to take the US Hawks in the direction that I believe is right. If people want to go along, then they're welcome. If not, there are at least two other alternatives.
...The Bob Show is nothing BUT having to deal with Emperor Bob's powerful personality. Love Bob or leave The Bob Show.
It ain't easy going against the grain...
Absolutely fatal if you go against the Bob grain.
...that's why I respect Bob so much.
But have total contempt for T** at K*** S******. Ya don't wanna go nuts with this going-against-the-grain thing.
I have pity for those not strong enough to stick this one out...
...and total contempt for those strong enough to stand up to Bob and have their wires cut.
...as I truly believe in this cause.
Exactly what is this cause and how is it manifesting itself?
I only regret not being smart enough to make a strong contribution.
You're good. A smart person making a strong contribution is the LAST thing Emperor Bob wants.
But a contribution, even a weak one, is better than never having tried at all.
A contribution to WHAT? An alternate hang gliding association even more abusive than u$hPa?
Reconsider. You can contribute something, and letting a petty personality conflict...
What's your source on this being an issue of a petty personality conflict?
...get in your way is not just a loss for you, but a loss for the rest of us as well.
Yeah Steve, the rest of "US". "US" being the sycophants willing to kiss Emperor Bob's ass nonstop and let him slide completely unchallenged whenever he feels like making The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.
We need you.
Yeah, "WE" sure needed him - and his uncountable contributions to the reform of this sport.
Please help, it's important to you and us...
Fuck "US", Steve.
Steve Corbin - 2015/09/10 05:32:01 UTC
I want to re-interpret the term "loser", as I don't intend it as an insult, but rather as a term indicating the condition of having lost something of value.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa4TQIzM3hE
dead
Listen to the lyrics. He's not claiming to be a "loser" in the usual sense, but instead is admitting that he's lost something of value to him.
You can only lose by leaving the Hawks.
How 'bout Terry Mason? My feeling is that he lost pretty bigtime by staying.
And your loss is a loss to the rest of us, a loss we can ill afford.
How 'bout Peter Birren - the greatest thing to hit hang glider towing since the Infallible Weak Link? Last post: 2013/12/06 21:33:37 UTC. How come nobody's begging him to come back in from the cold and continue his efforts to help Bob build a better alternate national hang gliding association?
Please don't allow a simple personality conflict get between you and a worthy cause.
I wanna hear what this personality conflict was. How can the people who wanna help bring this valuable individual back into the fold possibly be of any use if they have no idea what the problem is about?
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/09/10 06:15:03 UTC
The Beatles ... my how time has flown.
Thanks very much for your kind words Steve.
Here's my theory of the US Hawks ... and people in general.
People have many many dimensions in their personalities.
And Bob's job as Emperor For Life is to nose into as many dimensions as possible and determine which people are acceptable hang glider pilots and which need to be banned to make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.
Each dimension has its own distribution with most folks clustered around the middle and fewer people distributed at both ends.
Total dregs like Sam Kellner at the left end, Steve Corbin types in the middle, and, at the right end...
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/07/11 18:16:54 UTC
Hi Tad,
I just wanted to offer a general thanks for all of the information that you capture and preserve on your site. I find it to be a helpful reference when all else fails.
If there were just one dimension, it wouldn't be too hard to find people aligned with you almost anywhere along that line. But with dozens (or hundreds?!) of dimensions, it gets harder and harder to find people who agree with you on all of them ... especially if you move out toward the fringe.
So Scott's a fringer?
We're all hang glider pilots...
I'd say practically none of you are. When you and Bill can blather away on your rag about stalls being benign and hear nothing but cricket chirps during the pauses I'd say you're organization is totally devoid of anything that could be considered a pilot.
...and that certainly puts us out on the far end of one of those dimensions.
Nah. Pretty mainstream from everything I've seen.
Many among us (including Scott) are highly intelligent and highly individualistic.
No and yes.
That's out there on another fringe of that distribution. Many of us are also not happy with the mainstream direction that USHPA has gone.
Really? Y'all seem to be doing exactly the same sortsa things u$hPa is.
That puts us out in another fringe group.
I dunno... Rabid hostility to compliance with hook-in check requirement, feeling that the
BIG DEAL Tad makes about the differences between bent and straight pin releases is somewhat overblown, Rooney Link pops are mere inconveniences which increase the safety of the towing operation, better control authority upright, Sam Kellner, safe place for people of varying ages to visit, like other organizations doesn't give a flying fuck about the free speech of its members...
Now if you throw in things like politics (left and right)...
Preferably far right...
...religion (many to choose from)...
Just make sure you choose one - something that recognizes queers as subhuman.
...and a million other little differences (paper or plastic...
Plastic fer sure. We only give rats' asses about US hawks as logos.
...Beatles or Bob Dylan, Ginger or Maryann) then it's really very very unlikely that we'll be able to find enough of us to actually accomplish the goal of building a new hang gliding association.
And we're certainly not gonna use Newtonian physics as a core value 'cause that's extremely disrespectful of individual hang gliding opinions.
That's why I generally try not to bring up too much about religion or politics or anything else because it's just not helpful to us coming together to accomplish the monumental task before us.
1. But it's EXTREMELY helpful when we wanna make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.
2. The monumental task of turning a five year plus dictatorship into something in which another individual or two has some measure of actual control.
3. Unless I wanna silence Tad. Then I try to bring up as much as possible about "anything else" having absolutely nothing to do with anything relevant to hang gliding.
4. Hang gliding has always been operated as a religious cult. It's always been controlled by control freaks - big surprise - and they all understand that treating it as a religion is their best path to keeping themselves in those positions of control.
If the US Hawks is going to survive...
It's gonna survive as long as you do - as long as there's no actual there there.
...we're going to have to realize that we're all very different...
That's OK. We all have Emperor Bob making all of our decisions for us.
...and maybe don't agree with each other on a lot of things.
Everybody agrees on the core issue - love Bob or leave him.
If we're going to work together, we're going to have to ignore all those glaring differences and focus...
Are you gonna have little red rubber FOCUSED PILOT wristbands like u$hPa does? I think those would help a lot.
...on our...
Bob's.
...common goals.
Goal.
That's our only hope.
And thus it's our sacred duty to, if we see something that's not being done correctly, shut the fuck up, let it slide, cooperate and compromise with all the other Bob Show Dedicated Sycophants.
Unfortunately, there are many out there who want to torpedo our efforts...
Yeah, like...
Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC
I don't know whether you were genuinely doing what you felt was the right thing to do or just looking for convenient justification to finally can Tad, but I believe your actions were inappropriate and set a terrible precedent for your organization.
...Zack C fer instance.
...and that makes it all that much more difficult.
Oh. So THAT's why it's gone nowhere but backwards in over five years.
Steve, I've been reading your posts on other forums, and I really appreciate that you understand what we're trying to accomplish.
Steve, could you explain to me what we're trying to accomplish? I'm totally confused on the issue. It seems that every point in the Mission Statement is flatly contradicted by another point in the Mission Statement and that Emperor Bob's conduct is all over the fuckin' map.
Whether we ever get there or not...
Lessee... Five years (plus a month today) - zero progress. Let's do the math and see what we should be expecting at the ten year point.
...it's great to have met and worked with...
Over.
...so many great people along the way.
C'mon, say something nice about Sam too.
Scott is certainly included in that list...
So great that he determined he wouldn't participate in The Bob Show until after Emperor Bob banned Tad, and a little later determined he wouldn't participate as long as Bob did. Not some slut like Tad willing to participate regardless of the number of dickheads splashing around in the sewer. (Target rich environment.)
...and I hope he'll consider rejoining us when it feels right for him.
Try resigning. Maybe that'll help.
I hope your words have helped him in that direction.
Why?
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions
For now, I'm going to take the US Hawks in the direction that I believe is right. If people want to go along, then they're welcome. If not, there are at least two other alternatives.
He obviously doesn't like the direction Emperor Bob is taking the Bob Show so what other option does he have under the Mission Statement?
Or, if you believe THIS element of the Mission Statement:
What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out.
Of what value is a member who places no value on freedom, won't do his part, shirks his duty to speak out against what he's seeing done incorrectly even as he terminates his membership? He's placing Bob on exactly the same level as an unrepentant child molester who makes The Bob Show a dangerous place for people of varying ages to visit yet feels no obligation whatsoever to voice his concerns to the membership - and this after fighting for Bob tooth and nail under his real and a fake identities on The Davis Show.
For that matter what does anybody want with Emperor Bob on The Bob Show? Apparently the problem is that Scott has the hots for Ginger while Bob's obsessed with Mary Ann. So how come Bob hasn't just publicly addressed this point of contention and made and documented why Ginger is the Mark G. Forbes of Gilligan's Island?
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=929
Training Manual Comments / Contribution
Bob Kuczewski - 2012/01/07 17:59:55 UTC
I'm looking for people who can work together to build an on-line training manual for hang gliding. Yes, that does require a certain amount of agreeability and willingness to compromise. The only Training Manual that Tad can build is the one where he has 100% control.
Guess that requirement of a certain amount of agreeability and willingness to compromise only applies to the non Bob members of The Bob Show.
