ADVISORIES

[TheFjordflier]

What a sad irony the "moderator" uses Thomas Jeffersons famous words as his signature
Don't he care about the saftey of his fellow Hang glider pilots around the Globe?
How can anyone thrust that site again, if it's withholding, removing or censoring saftey matters?
Not sure if I ever want to post anything over there again.

[Tad Eareckson]

What a sad irony the "moderator" uses Thomas Jeffersons famous words...

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent...

...as his signature

Not really. Jefferson was speaking in the context of tyranny being something to be prevented. Jack's using the quote as instruction to the members of his mutual masturbation society for remaining in good standing.

Don't he care about the saftey of his fellow Hang glider pilots around the Globe?

Sure he does...

2007/10/18 - Bille Floyd
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=4046
Accident Report

Jack Axaopoulos - 2007/10/20 19:03:19 UTC

Owww oww OWWWWWWWWWIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

2008/08/29 - Jeff Craig
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=8254
Another Fatality at Sylmar

Jack Axaopoulos - 2008/08/30 18:47:00 UTC

Damn My condolences to family and friends

2008/08/30 - Kunio Yoshimura
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=8288
Another Brother Falls

Jack Axaopoulos - 2008/09/02 01:02:27 UTC

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo!
My sincere condolences to Family and Friends

2009/08/31 - Roy Messing
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=13491
]Please give prayer for Roy

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/09/01 13:40:19 UTC

Triple crossing fingers here. Hoping for the best.

2009/09/19 - Bill Vogel
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=13712
Very sad news

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/09/20 21:51:56 UTC

Nooooooooooooooooooooo.....
My condolences to his family and friends. What a sad day... this sucks.

2009/09/19 - Bill Vogel
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=13744
control

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/09/23 18:10:04 UTC

WHO KNOWS. Thats the point. No need for people to talk out their a** about something they know very little about and piss everyone off.

The timing of this thread is awful.
Locking thread... this is troll/flame bait with extremely weak implications.

2009/11/16 - Tony Ameo
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=14410
Wallaby fatality

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/11/16 17:01:31 UTC

Nooooooooooooo!

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/11/17 14:20:28 UTC

UGH..... heartbreaking

2009/11/27 - Christian Thale
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=14608
Another HG death.

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/11/28 16:16:10 UTC

My condolences to family and friends, oh what a sad day

2010/06/05 - Tom Mayer
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=17038
CSS Regional Hang Glider Aerobatics Competition - June 5th

Jack Axaopoulos - 2010/06/07 20:48:10 UTC

So terribly sad.....

It's absolutely and truly heartbreaking to see just how absolutely and truly heartbroken he becomes in response to all these tragedies.

How can anyone thrust that site again...

How could anyone trust it before?

...if it's withholding, removing or censoring saftey matters?

IF?

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=14230
pro tow set-up

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/11/12 14:49:58 UTC

gasdive,

One of the stated goals of this site is to promote HG. MOST views on this site are NOT from members but from visitors, they have no ignore button.

Having Tad run around every day giving the impression that there is a massive weekly slaughter of pilots at tow parks due to their horribly dangerous devices surely doesnt promote HG. Especially when the safety records are quite excellent.

Like Jim said, theyve gone a decade with no fatalities at their tow park. Pretty damn good I say.

Yet listening to Tad, you would think guys were dying all over the place
He's been nothing but misleading and negative and ignored multiple warnings from me. So He's GONE

Note that Dave's post was up for probably a couple hours and got a healthy number of hits before Jack trashed it. It warned of a release issue very similar but a good bit less obvious than the one that got a national champion of your country fatally pile driven on 2005/01/09. And, as we all very well know, as a direct consequence of Jack's totally despicable action, somebody may die tomorrow instead of having a nice flight or two. And not one Jack Show motherfucker has whispered a word of dissent. (And note that I've got the advisory as a stickie topping the stack over here because of its critical nature.) That's a really malignant culture. And I remember a time when something like that would've been a lot more unthinkable than it is now.

Not sure if I ever want to post anything over there again.

Post something over there like you did over here. (And reflect on just how much appreciation and support he gave you in response to your hook-in check and sidewire stomp test videos and promotions.) Post it at some obscure West Coast time to increase the probability of that it'll get lots of hits before he sees and deletes it and bans you. Getting banned by sleazy pigfuckers like Jack and Davis is an honor and "moderators" pay political prices for totally unjustified bannings - 'specially when the target is totally in the right.

Note that after about a decade Yours Truly has come out in a lot better shape than the Standard Aerotow Weak Link and its priesthood.
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P.S. - 2016/12/17 00:20:00 UTC

Happy Wilbur and Orville Day - UTC anyway.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50829
Bruno on his Russian mouth release

Davis Straub - 2016/12/14 18:06:25 UTC

Not setup correctly

Burke "Bruno" Schnedl <<rdufokker>> writes:

I had an issue with my Russian mouth release. Two days ago down here at Wallaby Ranch I made two pattern tows and a normal tow. The first tow was nothing out of the ordinary, This is about my 20th tow using the mouth release. The second pattern tow was not good.

I did not connect my bridle to the release but someone helping connected it for me so that all I had to do was bite down on the release. My first mistake was that I didn't completely check the connection. I glanced at it, but it didn't look out of the ordinary.

Reaching 800' I was waved off and I relaxed my mouth to release the release but nothing had happened. I noticed that the bridle was actually over one of the pins and on the wrong side.



I grabbed the line to pull slack hoping it would jump back over the pin but no luck. I went for my barrel release but missed it the first time, by the time I got to it the second time and released, but I was way out of position.

Had this happened to me low to the ground it would have been disastrous. I still feel this is a better design for a release but needed some polishing up. I would also say that I was using spectra line as my bridle, which is very small diameter and more easily caught.

Afterwards, I tried Dacron line and it too snagged but was easier to get loose. We are trying to contact the Russians who make these releases to advise them.

Not setup correctly

"Set up" is two words - asshole.

I had an issue with my Russian mouth release. Two days ago down here at Wallaby Ranch...

What's the point of trying to use a release that doesn't stink on ice down there at Wallaby Ranch? Down there at Wallaby Ranch your weak link will break...

http://www.wallaby.com/aerotow_primer.php
Aerotow Primer for Experienced Pilots

The Wallaby Ranch Aerotowing Primer for Experienced Pilots - 2016/12/17

A weak link connects the V-pull to the release, providing a safe limit on the tow force. If you fail to maintain the correct tow position (centered, with the wheels of the tug on the horizon), the weak link will break before you can get into too much trouble.

...before you can get into too much trouble. As an experienced pilot you should certainly understand that.

I made two pattern tows and a normal tow. The first tow was nothing out of the ordinary, This is about my 20th tow using the mouth release.

And about your zillionth tow with an Industry Standard bent pin barrel "release" - as a backup in the past about twenty and as your primary in all the rest. So you're undoubtedly really good at using it. Besides...

http://ozreport.com/20.155
Russian Mouth Release

Bruno Schnedl - 2016/08/03 14:58:43 UTC

I used a pro tow setup with barrel release on right side.

You're a pro. Right?

The second pattern tow was not good.

I did not connect my bridle to the release but someone...

...whose parents could never decide on a name - so everyone just calls him "someone"...

...helping...

Yes. "HELPING".

...connected it for me so that all I had to do was bite down on the release.

- And you didn't break any teeth? Or do you mean all you had to do was bite down on the ACTUATOR?
- How 'bout we use a little loop of bungee or sumpin' to clamp the actuator until we're ready to roll?

My first mistake was that I didn't completely check the connection. I glanced at it, but it didn't look out of the ordinary.

- And the Wallaby cart monkey, whose fuckin' JOB...

http://www.wallaby.com/aerotow_primer.php
Aerotow Primer for Experienced Pilots

The Wallaby Ranch Aerotowing Primer for Experienced Pilots - 2016/12/17

Launching

A Ranch Hand will assist you.

A Ranch Hand will attach the bridle through the aerotow ring and then to the release mechanism.

...it is to check critical issues before giving the tug the green, ALSO failed to completely check the connection. He just glanced at it.

- I'll bet I'm a lot better at glancing at tow releases than you are.

Reaching 800' I was waved off and I relaxed my mouth to release the release but nothing had happened. I noticed that the bridle was actually over one of the pins and on the wrong side.

Yes. IN FLIGHT you noticed that.

I grabbed the line to pull slack hoping it would jump back over the pin but no luck. I went for my barrel release...

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http://c1.staticflickr.com/1/213/30896046053_e57c347547_o.png

...but missed it the first time, by the time I got to it the second time and released, but I was way out of position.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1143
Death at Tocumwal

Davis Straub - 2006/01/24 12:27:32 UTC

I'm willing to put the barrel release within a few inches of my hand.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31052
Poll on weaklinks

Davis Straub - 2013/03/10 14:09:22 UTC

I've had no problem releasing my barrel release hundreds of times.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=34646
Are you satisfied with flex wing handling qualities?

Ryan Voight - 2016/08/22 20:14:50 UTC

The reason this is a trick question, is the same reason it should be irrelevant that the Lookout release has less mechanical advantage, and may be difficult to use during the high tension of a lock-out. There are other releases (no so common anymore, thankfully) that could become full-on inoperable when the tension increased...

So... are you willing and able to manually release when you believe you are entering an unrecoverable lockout? Hint- if you are *entering* an unrecoverable lockout... you should have already A) steered yourself back where you belong, and if you were unable to do A then do B) release before before BEFORE entering an unrecoverable lockout situation.

Failing to fly the glider where you want it to fly is a serious situation... a lockout is an even more serious situation, but it is a symptom that follows that first problem. Failing to recognize the first problem, and remedy or escape *BEFORE* the following lockout ensues... THAT is what people seem not to get here.

Davis wrote pretty extensively about this when the comp-fatality happened, and even shared how the comp rules were written to ENCOURAGE "when in doubt, just get out". Frankly, a lockout should never happen... it's not a single failure, and it's not a problem with the equipment or with the mechanics or physics of what is being attempted... a lockout can only happen as the result of operator error(S)... plural.

http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3107
I have a tandem rating!!!

Lauren Tjaden - 2008/03/23 22:20:15 UTC

The barrel release wouldn't work because we had too much pressure on it.

http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3391
More on Zapata and weak link

Paul Tjaden - 2008/07/22 04:32:22 UTC

I have never had a lockout situation happen so quickly and dramatically and had no chance to release as I have always thought I could do.

- And here I was thinking that there was no disadvantage to making the easy reach for one's Industry Standard release, that one could keep the glider tracking perfectly straight with the other hand. Oh well, I guess that only applies during a lockout onset.

- But Jeff Bohl stayed on tow until his appropriate weak link increased the safety of the towing operation and dumped him into his fatal inconvenience stall because he:

-- thought he could bring the glider back and didn't want the hassle or a relight - even with Davis's Risk Mitigation Plan for the Quest Air Open assuring him a quick trip back to the head of the launch line

-- failed to appreciate the seriousness of his situation prior to the onset of his fatal inconvenience stall

Had this happened to me low to the ground it would have been disastrous.

- You mean like at around thirty feet - where Jeff had been a bit shy of seven months prior a little over twenty crow miles up the road when he stupidly decided to fly his glider with BOTH hands rather than make the easy reach to his Industry Standard release?

- Bullshit. You could have just:
-- pitched out abruptly to actuate your Voight/Rooney Instant Hands Free Release
-- used your Razor-sharp cutting tool to slash through your lines in an instant

I still feel this is a better design for a release...

Why?

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Jim Rooney - 2013/02/12 18:00:27 UTC

Deltaman loves his mouth release.
BFD

I get tired as hell "refuting" all these mouth release and "strong link" arguments. Dig through the forums if you want that. I've been doing it for years but unfortunately the peddlers are religious in their beliefs so they find justification any way they can to "prove" their stuff. This is known as "Confirmation Bias"... seeking data to support your theory... it's back-asswards. Guess what? The shit doesn't work. If it did, we'd be using it everywhere. But it doesn't stand the test of reality.

'Cause you can ACTUALLY USE IT SUCCESSFULLY if it's connected and preflighted properly?

...but needed some polishing up. I would also say that I was using spectra line as my bridle, which is very small diameter and more easily caught.

And good idea not using weak links on BOTH ends of your stupidly overlength bridle.

Afterwards, I tried Dacron line and it too snagged but was easier to get loose. We are trying to contact the Russians who make these releases to advise them.

It's nice to have things idiot proof but I'm now seeing this as a non issue.

http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7459/14026541561_c29a91247c_o.png


We've never had a single incident report before from Eastern Europe or anywhere else.

Dave Gills - 2016/12/14 07:14:29 UTC

After some manipulation, I could get my release to do the same thing.

It took a combination of some moronic Wallaby...

http://www.wallaby.com/aerotow_primer.php
Aerotow Primer for Experienced Pilots

The Wallaby Ranch Aerotowing Primer for Experienced Pilots - 2016/12/17

Welcome to Wallaby Ranch, the first and largest Aerotow Hang Gliding Flight Park in the World! We're the aerotowing (or "AT") professionals; no-one knows AT like we do; it's all we do, and we do it everyday, year-round.

...staffer's stupidity, negligence, incompetence and inattention from the "pilot" to get things fucked up enough to precipitate an incident.

[Tad Eareckson]

It took a combination of some moronic Wallaby staffer's stupidity, negligence, incompetence...

Nah - I realized right after the last submit click. First ever reported malfunction of this device and the connection JUST HAPPENS to have been made by a Wallaby staffer? That was DELIBERATE SABOTAGE. And not unprecedented:

http://ozreport.com/10.066
Mouth release
2006/03/27 18:00:13 UTC
I'll be working with and testing this device

http://ozreport.com/10.068
Testing the mouth release
2006/03/29 23:45:14 UTC
The mouth release releases by itself.

http://ozreport.com/10.069
Squidlink testing
2006/03/30 22:34:00 UTC
The weaklink breaks and the strings fray

There's been NOTHING but rabid hostility from The Industry, u$hPa, relevant cocksuckers to any and all efforts towards any legitimate enhancement in towing safety since near the beginning of time.

Dave Gills - 2016/12/14 07:14:29 UTC

After some manipulation, I could get my release to do the same thing.

Dave Gills - 2016/12/14 18:22:34 UTC

I can't trust the mechanical competence of everyone I might sell a release, to modify them appropriately.
Even though I wasn't making any money off the venture, I'm concerned about liability.
The community will have to source them directly from Russia in the future.

I rest my fuckin' case. If these things get into widespread or measurable circulation, even achieve substantial visibility then it becomes blindingly obvious to everyone and his dog that the only reason Jeff Bohl left the runway in a body bag was because he was using Bobby Fucking-Genius Bailey's cheap bent pin shit instead of hundred dollar chunk of hardware with some actual thought, engineering, integrity put into it.

Actual advisory... If you even SUSPECT a one in a thousand chance that some flight park affiliated motherfucker has gotten within fifty yards of any towing gear that doesn't stink on ice, preflight the crap out of it before you get on the cart and allow no one else to touch it before you roll.

Watch your buddies' backs as best you can as well.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50829
Bruno on his Russian mouth release

Jim Brindley - 2016/12/16 01:40:55 UTC
Barnegat Light, New Jersey

Bruno
I have 2 of these releases...bought them last spring after reading your posts about how effective they are, and wanted to buy them before they were sold out...figured they might be hard to come by in the future...and thanks for conducting tests and posting the results, most pilots are too stubborn to try something new. I tried welding a small bead on the release , ( stainless steel rod 3/32")and sanding it smooth with a flapper wheel... this completely eliminates the hang up point on the roll pin...

Thanks, JIM

http://ozreport.com/forum/files/img_1507_120.jpg

http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5456/14033872501_66e85dccba_o.png

Bruno
I have 2 of these releases...bought them last spring after reading your posts about how effective they are...

What? You didn't read the posts hang gliding's greatest authority on everything about...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Jim Rooney - 2013/02/12 18:00:27 UTC

Deltaman loves his mouth release.
BFD

I get tired as hell "refuting" all these mouth release and "strong link" arguments. Dig through the forums if you want that. I've been doing it for years but unfortunately the peddlers are religious in their beliefs so they find justification any way they can to "prove" their stuff. This is known as "Confirmation Bias"... seeking data to support your theory... it's back-asswards. Guess what? The shit doesn't work. If it did, we'd be using it everywhere. But it doesn't stand the test of reality.

...how effective they AREN'T?

...and wanted to buy them before they were sold out...

- No problems there, huh Dave?

- And producing something along the same line in the US would be entirely beyond the realm of our technological capabilitiies. (Right, Bobby Fucking-Genius Bailey?)

...figured they might be hard to come by in the future...

Yeah, but for entirely different reasons.

...and thanks for conducting tests and posting the results...

Bullshit. Flying a couple dozen times a piece of hardware that's been standard equipment for decades in Eastern Europe and pinning off under normal bullshit tension doesn't constitute TESTING shit.

...most pilots are too stubborn to try something new.

That's right. It's 'cause they're too stubborn. Nothing at all to do with The Industry choking off supply and outlawing at comps anything it doesn't sell.

I tried welding a small bead on the release , ( stainless steel rod 3/32")and sanding it smooth with a flapper wheel... this completely eliminates the hang up point on the roll pin...

You're not allowed to do that. A hang glider tow release, by definition, MUST have...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=16384
Tow Release Malfunction

Jim Rooney - 2010/03/26 20:54:43 UTC

Dude, quit bogarting that stuff
How's it go? Never say never.

Bent pin releases are indeed very very reliable. But 100%? Nope. It's exceptionally rare, but they jam. All mechanical things do.

If they were perfection, everyone would be using them. They're not. As with all things, they are a tradeoff. Having that big ole chunk of metal on my sternum as I depart a launch dolly, just a couple feet off the ground, is not my idea of a good situation to be in.

What do they call them again? "Chest Crushers"?

So, good? Yes.
Perfect? No.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22660
What can be learned from this "scooter" towing accident?

Jim Rooney - 2011/02/06 18:35:13 UTC

I'm also sure it has it's problems just like any other system. The minute someone starts telling me about their "perfect"system, I start walking away.

...an absolute minimum of one failure issue. If you identify and eliminate the issue it morphs from an acceptable hang glider tow release to a perfect system and Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney will just start walking away. Or...

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Deltaman - 2016/12/16 6:21:07 UTC

Steve Davy - 2016/12/15 04:00:10 UTC

If I am correct the opposite end of that release has a hollow rivet as well. If that is the case then I suspect that the issue can be eliminated by threading a length of line though both hollow rivets and then tying the free ends together thus forming a loop.

It would be a good idea to make certain that that knot is not allowed to migrate towards the gate end of the release.

See above.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50829
Bruno on his Russian mouth release

Mikha - 2016/12/20 07:12:44 UTC

I've been using exactly this type of release for years, with hundred(s) of tows. I'm pretty sure it's designed to be used with steel rings, and never was intended to work with any kind of a rope looped directly through release. Maybe it's possible to modify it to work better with ropes, but I don't think it was something the designer had in his mind - so maybe just try attach a ring to the tow line via weak link? I'll be in Forbes in a few days, can post a picture of working setup if it helps.

I've been using exactly this type of release for years, with hundred(s) of tows.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31052
Poll on weaklinks

Davis Straub - 2013/03/10 14:09:22 UTC

I've had no problem releasing my barrel release hundreds of times.

http://ozreport.com/pub/images/fingerlakesaccident2.jpg
http://ozreport.com/pub/images/fingerlakesaccident3.jpg


http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec

Jim Rooney - 2013/02/12 18:00:27 UTC

Deltaman loves his mouth release.
BFD

I get tired as hell "refuting" all these mouth release and "strong link" arguments. Dig through the forums if you want that. I've been doing it for years but unfortunately the peddlers are religious in their beliefs so they find justification any way they can to "prove" their stuff. This is known as "Confirmation Bias"... seeking data to support your theory... it's back-asswards. Guess what? The shit doesn't work. If it did, we'd be using it everywhere. But it doesn't stand the test of reality.

I'm pretty sure it's designed to be used with steel rings, and never was intended to work with any kind of a rope looped directly through release.

- What was the 2673 Wichard Quick Release Shackle...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/8305428629/


...designed to be used with? Heavy spinnaker rigging lines transmitting a couple thousand pounds of tension or magic hang glider aerotow fishing line that breaks before two hundred pound gliders can get into too much trouble?

- It may have been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePT3r0ZW54k


So why after decades of use in the field with zillions of individuals using line connections for hundreds of zillions of tows have we never heard a single word along this line before now?

Maybe it's possible to modify it to work better with ropes...

It works FINE with ropes and strings. It DOESN'T work fine with Industry motherfuckers intent on sabotage within spitting distance at launch.

...but I don't think it was something the designer had in his mind - so maybe just try attach a ring to the tow line via weak link?

- How strong should the weak link be and what's it supposed to be doing for us?
- What happens to a non Tost aerotow weak link when the tug lands?

I'll be in Forbes in a few days, can post a picture of working setup if it helps.

- Thanks...

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12-22509

It won't.

- All hang glider releases - save for the Koch two stage which is totally obsolete and the Linknife which has NEVER had a legitimate place anywhere in the sport - should be connected to personalized weak links on bridle ends.

Why do you think the Aussie motherfuckers didn't go to Kaluzhins after - or even BEFORE - Robin Strid at the Worlds about three weeks shy of dozen years ago?

David Williamson - 2016/12/20 12:25:04 UTC
Sussex

And the Koch.

Same with the Koch release; it has a notch to keep a metal ring on the end of the tow line centralised. I tried using just a loop of weak link and no ring but that always slid to the end of the pin and self-released. You need to use a ring. At least, with the Koch, it defaults to release rather than snagging.

Fuck the Koch. It was a clever solution to a surface tow issue well over three decades ago.

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It's obsolete.

P.S. Anybody else notice the conspicuous absences of Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight and Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney in this discussion?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50829
Bruno on his Russian mouth release

Davis Straub - 2016/12/20 19:07:59 UTC

From: Alexandra Serebrennikova
Date: 2016/12/15 16:06
To: Davis Straub
Subject: Bruno's release

Hi Davis,

The guy is doing it wrong way altogether, we tow with a metal ring attached to the tow line, which is going to the release while towing. Apart from that the release itself is connected via a linchpin to the harness, not by a barrel type which has a long bridle, which might twist over in case of emergency. I will make a shot of how I have it today and send it over.

Best regards,
Alexandra Serebrennikova

Hi Davis,

Suck my dick, Davis.

The guy is doing it wrong way altogether, we tow with a metal ring attached to the tow line, which is going to the release while towing.

- Well I guess if the guy isn't doing it the way we tow, with a metal ring attached to the towline, which is going to the release while towing then obviously he's doing it the wrong way altogether.

- Where's the metal ring that's attached to the towline going while NOT towing?

Apart from that the release itself is connected via a linchpin to the harness, not by a barrel type which has a long bridle, which might twist over in case of emergency.

- What's the max towline tension at which you can pull the "linchpin" with a reasonable effort?

- What are you using in the way of weak links?

- Yes. A barrel release has a LONG bridle...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/8313526097/


By definition. It must be long and thin enough to be able to twist over in case of an emergency or you're doing it the wrong way altogether.

- You good with Davis Dead-On Straub's risk mitigated...

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...appropriate bridles and weak links?

I will make a shot of how I have it today and send it over.

And then maybe about five days after he gets it he'll post it where a few of us muppets will be able to see it - like with this email message of yours.

Best regards,
Alexandra Serebrennikova

Rot in hell, Davis.
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2017/01/09 03:35:00 UTC - Topic unstuck.

[Steve Davy]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=35285
Carbon or Aluminum outer leading edges - Stiffer the better?

Jason Boehm - 2017/05/03 01:06:33 UTC

I have never heard of a carbon spar failing, and if one did I'd imagine we'd have heard about it.

That's because it's damn near impossible to hear stuff with your head up your ass, Jason.

http://www.aeros.com.ua/news.php?lang=english&id=349
Safety Directive 016.

During the last week we had information of two in-flight crossbeam accidents on our latest Combat gliders. Fortunately, both pilots were unharmed.