You are NEVER hooked in.

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Tad Eareckson
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5376
hook in faliure (almost)
Jeff Chipman - 2016/11/08 18:34:23 UTC
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Carabineer Position
I DESPISE dickheads incapable of spelling the piece of hardware they use to connect themselves to their gliders. Should be a one year suspension of rating on the first offense and a permanent revocation on the second.
While using Ron's Tenax 3 while I was in AZ, hook in checks before launching were of course taking care of themselves since you are lying down in the cart before launching.
How do you ever manage to cope with the false sense of security a forced and constant hook-in check gives you?
However, the issue I had was the carabineer rotating on me and laying on the locking gate.
Which wouldn't happen without the pain-in-the-ass locking gate.
This was primarily because there was nothing to keep the orientation of the carabineer from rotating.
And of course your crowd is too fucking stupid to stabilize things with a loop of eighth inch bungee cord or a rubber band.
My new Tenax 4 has an "O" ring to keep this from happening.
Oh good, somebody fixed your problem for you.
So a hook in check is good, but it should also include a process that ensures your carabineer cannot be oriented incorrectly.
Yeah. Otherwise when you're pulling ten Gs your carabinEEr could break minor axis and you'd fall to your death...

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...the way so many others who've launched minor axis before you have.

I also DESPISE dickheads who sabotage unhooked launch discussions with trivial and totally irrelevant bullshit preflight issue comments.

Awesome culture you've created over there, Joe. Keep up the great work.

P.S. Note from the photos - as I just did - that with the locking mechanism hang-up the carabiner is STILL more major than minor axis and the strength compromise is thus even more stupidly irrelevant to any hang glider safety discussion. And until somebody produces a photo of or runs a simulation to produce something worse this is the assumption under which we're gonna be operating.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=300820#300820
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michael170 - 2012/11/21 05:39:02 UTC

With each flight, demonstrate method(s) of establishing that pilot is hooked in just prior to launch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51qpPLz5U0
2012/11/21 07:38:49 UTC - Sink This! -- Paul Hurless
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Funston pilot launched unhooked
http://www.flyfunston.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?p=4372
Steve Rodrigues wrote:A well liked and long time Funston pilot launched unhooked a few days ago. He survived with minor injuries but this proves it can happen to the best of us.

Please pass the word and burn a routine hang-check into your memory and launch routine.

Don't want to lose any more friends.
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http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
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Tom Galvin - 2012/10/31 22:17:21 UTC

I teach hook-in checks. I don't teach lift and tug, as it gives a false sense of security.
Good thing that he didn't give himself a false sense of security.
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http://archive.flyfunston.org/bbs/viewtopic4509.html?f=5&t=1795
http://www.flyfunston.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1795
Funston pilot launched unhooked
Steve Rodrigues - 2017/01/22 19:37:09 UTC
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A well liked and long time Funston pilot launched unhooked a few days ago.
So well liked and long time a Funston pilot that he can't be:
- named
- bothered to post anything about:
-- his normal infallible unhooked launch prevention procedure
-- why his normal infallible unhooked launch prevention procedure didn't work just this once
-- any particulars regarding injuries and glider damage
-- what his new and improved normal infallible unhooked launch prevention procedure will be
He survived with minor injuries...
Too bad. Sounds like he'll still be able to reproduce and further crud up the gene pool.
...but this proves it can happen to the best of us.
No it doesn't. Rafi Lavin proved that this kinda bullshit can happen to the best of you incompetent Funston douchebags two summers ago. This is just more supporting evidence.
Please pass the word and burn a routine hang-check into your memory...
1. Yep. Hard to have an unhooked launch with good shit burned into your memories.
2. We have ZERO evidence that this chronic hook-in check skipping douchebag DIDN'T:
- have a routine hang check burned into his memory
- perform a routine hang check shortly before running off the fuckin' cliff without his fuckin' glider
...and launch routine.
Show me a video of someone performing a hang check as a component of his launch routine - shithead.
Don't want to lose any more friends.
Yeah. When they die we get to know their names.
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http://archive.flyfunston.org/bbs/viewtopic4509.html?f=5&t=1795
Funston pilot launched unhooked
Alan - 2017/01/23 01:33:14 UTC

Does Tad ever make it around these parts?
1. Nope.
2. We've got a fuckin' World Wide Web now. What's it matter?
3. So obviously not Sparks or Deikman.
I never met him but that 2000 word rant is epic.
1. Your point being?

2. Rant. Anything in writing over two and a half sentences.

3. With this one - 856 posts on this topic here on Kite Strings. You motherfuckers will spend seven weekends a month working on perfecting your flare timing so's you'll be able to put it down with mile wide safety margins on that inevitable day when your only landing option is a narrow dry riverbed with large rocks strewn all over the place. But getting just one of you to do a single hook-in check within five seconds of just one launch at some point in the course of a hang gliding career...
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First post, this thread:
You ended up in a crumpled but extremely lucky heap, not because of wuffos, failure to stay focused, or a break in your routine, but because your routine sucks and doesn't comply with the provisions of your rating.
http://archive.flyfunston.org/bbs/viewtopic4509.html?f=5&t=1797
February 2nd 2017 Fellow Feather’s Meeting Minutes
Be safe - stick to your routine prior to launching and respect the surf. Tight hang-strap, too, by the way.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.

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Nice to see a student doing a hook-in check, even if it's not within a few seconds from launch. (skip to 5:45)
And also getting his hands on the base bar quickly, instead of flying with them at ear level.
Not sure where it's located. Sounds like the US or Canada.
And the video quality sucks. But there's hope for the future. He's on the right track :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HGQCjYMIo&t=363s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HGQCjYMIo
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Benjamin Daly - 2017/02/24
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TheFjordflier

Great to see someone else also doing a hook-in check "just" prior to launch.
And getting the hands on the bottom bar as quickly as you did ;-)
Keep up the good work.
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Edit - 2017/03/02 12:30:00 UTC

This and the following six posts originally appeared in the "Videos" topic.
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This is Morningside, New Hampshire (which borders Canada (Quebec)) - so good accent analysis.

Nah, he's not doing a hook-in check. Forty seconds prior to launch and back from launch position. He's doing a preflight check in a staging position to assure himself that he's good to go before proceeding to launch.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went
Rick Masters - 2011/10/19 22:47:17 UTC

At that moment, I would banish all concern about launching unhooked. I had taken care of it. It was done. It was out of my mind.
Obviously a recording from summer, probably last.

I predict that no commercial school or instructor will EVER implement this most simple and effective fix to one of hang gliding's deadliest problems. And when a student really appreciates the danger nobody's gonna need to pressure him to perform the procedure properly - when it counts.

Oh well, it WAS nice to see him transition upon getting airborne like a normal common sense human.

The landing... :roll:
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I predict that no commercial school or instructor will EVER implement this most simple and effective fix to one of hang gliding's deadliest problems. And when a student really appreciates the danger nobody's gonna need to pressure him to perform the procedure properly - when it counts.
In the US, could an instructor face a lawsuit for not teaching this method to a student, who later launches un hooked?
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