instructors and other qualified pilot fiends

[Tad Eareckson]

Three years and ten days ago:

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http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8697/16463566373_3f21d65f25_o.png

That was a child murder.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32673
This is terrible

Dave Pendzick - 2015/03/30 17:42:41 UTC

This is not going to end well for us...

And you all averted your gazes while the u$hPa damage control sleazebags did their usual cover-up and disinformation jobs but this one was too transparent and beyond the pale and you weren't gonna be able to get away with it this time.

"Yeah there was really no significant problem with this one 'cause everything he was doing and using. Shit just happens every now and then and there's really nothing anybody can do about it so suck it and adopt another kid if that's what floats your boat. Enough with the thoughts and prayers already."

You've all had your brains and souls rewired by decades of being normalized into this culture. And I did the right thing close to a decade ago when doing the right thing - or even making noises about the right thing - wasn't cool.

Bob Kuczewski - 2017/08/06 04:36:50 UTC

We need to consider getting an injunction against this guy communicating with the FAA on this subject.

I forwarded the letter to Tim Herr yesterday asking about this.

Perhaps a strongly worded letter from Tim will do the trick. We can't force Tad to work within the USHPA framework but we can make it unpleasant and expensive for him if he chooses to makes derogatory and false statements about USHPA to the FAA he can't back up.

So how's it feel when shit like that starts overwhelming the mainstream?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 08:24:31 UTC

Thought I already answered that one... instead of quoting myself (have a look back if you don't believe me), I'll just reiterate it.

I don't advocate anything.
I use what we use at the flight parks. It's time tested and proven... and works a hell of a lot better than all the other bullshit I've seen out there.

130lb greenspot (greenspun?) cortland fishing line.
In stock at Quest, Highland, Eastern Shore, Kitty Hawk Kites, Florida Ridge, and I'm pretty sure Wallaby, Lookout and Morningside.
Not sure what Tracy up at Cloud Nine uses, but I'll put bets on the same.

Did I miss any?
Is it clear what I mean by "We"?
I didn't make the system up.
And I'm not so arrogant to think that my precious little ideas are going to magically revolutionise the industry.
There are far smarter people than me working this out.
I know, I've worked with them.
(Bobby's a fucking genius when it comes to this shit... for example.)

Thought I already answered that one... instead of quoting myself (have a look back if you don't believe me)...

Nobody believes you about anything now. Actually nobody seems to remember you actually existing anywhere in the sport before.

I'll just reiterate it.

How 'bout just reiterating something on The Davis Show now.

I don't advocate anything.
I use...

Not anymore you don't.

...what we...

Who's we?

...use at the flight parks.

- The main flight park you used to work at hasn't operationally existed for two and a half years now. And the operators have all been scattered to the winds and rendered extinct from the sport.

- Maybe you can tell us what "WE" are using at the (remaining) flight parks now. Everyone seems to be bending over backwards to reveal NOTHING about what we're using and what it's supposed to be doing for it.

...It's time tested and proven...

And it proved itself best at Quest in the early afternoon of 2013/02/02. It did exactly what the argument Donnell Hewett heard in 1980 predicted it would - broke at the worst possible time, when the glider was climbing hard in a near stall situation.

...and works a hell of a lot better than all the other bullshit I've seen out there.

It certainly did on that flight.

130lb greenspot (greenspun?) cortland fishing line.

Never heard of it before. Hey Quest... Li'l help?

In stock at Quest, Highland...

Highland who? (I wonder how many competition anglers showed up at the liquidation.)

...Eastern Shore, Kitty Hawk Kites, Florida Ridge, and I'm pretty sure Wallaby, Lookout and Morningside.

How are you sure now?

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Does that glider at Quest two weeks ago look like it's being kept from getting into too much trouble by a single loop of 130 pound Greenspot (Greenspun?)?

Not sure what Tracy up at Cloud Nine uses, but I'll put bets on the same.

Oh, you didn't hear the news? Tracy up at Cloud Nine also doesn't exist any more - as far as hang gliding is concerned anyway.

Did I miss any?

No. You actually covered too many.

Is it clear what I mean by "We"?

Not in the SLIGHTEST. As a matter of fact, I don't believe I've heard you use a first person plural pronoun for quite some time now. And it's a pretty good bet that nobody else is including you in the use of a person plural pronoun either - 'specially in hang and paragliding circles.

I didn't make the system up.

Nah. This was mostly a degradation of something Donnell Hewett pulled out of his ass in late 1980 'cause engineering a sane release system was way out of his league.

And I'm not so arrogant to think...

Nah, you've never been so arrogant as to think. You've always been confident that all you need to do is start running your mouth with whatever comes to mind at the moment to have everybody awed by your unfathomable wisdom.

...that my precious little ideas are going to magically revolutionise the industry.

Well, the industry's in a state of major collapse right now so I can't see much harm in you giving your precious little ideas - the one's nobody's ever heard before - a shot now.

There are far smarter people than me working this out.

- Most total fucking morons are far smarter people than you?

- Working WHAT out? How is it possible for Quest to have been involved in perfecting aerotowing nearly 27 years and still have anything left to work out? Did sailplaning need to go through a similar evolution?

- That was the better part of seven years ago. And THIS:

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was two weeks ago. Are you sure they haven't overperfected things?

I know, I've worked with them.

What better evidence of people being far smarter than you. What were you doing? Cleaning the toilets while they were inventing new ways to tie loops of 130 pound Greenspot to get them to break more consistently and in line with their expectations?

(Bobby's a fucking genius when it comes to this shit... for example.)

Yeah...



Too much of a fucking genius when it comes to this shit to lower himself enough to prevent that near fatal clusterfuck going on under his nose or offer a sacred syllable's worth of comment in any of the postmortem discussions. And now both of you are participating and contributing at precisely the same level - despite the fact that he's far smarter than you and a fucking genius when it comes to this shit. What a coincidence.

[Tad Eareckson]

Hey Jim...

If Bobby's a fucking genius when it comes to this shit and Davis has been at an around all this plenty long enough to understand what's what and who's who, shouldn't they both be at fairly equal levels when it comes to this shit - given that they're both semipermanent Quest fixtures?

I'm guessing they'd hafta be - given that Davis is constantly posting his analyses of critical incidents, running comps, writing policy, establishing equipment standards. And we never hear Davis retracting, correcting, revising anything after Bobby's caught problems, nudged him back on the right track, brought him up to proper speed.

Davis is absolutely infallible - like the Standard Aerotow Weak Link. I can't remember him ever writing anything that wasn't totally dead on. And hell...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/28 06:15:12 UTC

You may not know, but Davis is a friend of mine.
We have discussed this many times in person. We are not in disagreement.

If you can not see that we're in agreement, perhaps I can clear things up for you. Or Davis can.

He's a friend of yours and totally in agreement with you on everything. And he was absolutely devastated both times you half bought it driving tandem thrill rides at Coronet Peak.

So if we're never hearing any corrections or expansions from Bobby the only possible conclusion we can draw is that anything more Bobby may have over Davis is of no practical value whatsoever.


http://ozreport.com/pub/images/fingerlakesaccident2.jpg
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Right?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=403031#p403031
New organization for rating Hang glider pilots

Mike Jefferson - 2018/04/06 21:04:00 UTC

I am very passionate about teaching hang gliding.

How passionate are you about seeing that other hang gliding instructors aren't teaching their students lethal moronic crap?

When I hear this kind of activity, frankly it sets me off. I spoke to Kurtis on the phone and he explained what really happened. I have apologized to Kurtis and want to set the story straight as I now know it. Kurtis called Saeid because he had a complaint about Saeid from a local paragliding school run by Jesse Meyer. Jesse wanted Saeid suspended because he found out Saeid had not paid his dues this year to the Wings of Rogallo hang gliding club, (WOR). How ironic is this?

I dunno. How 'bout when u$hPa permanently revoked Brad Geary's tandem and instructor tickets with him having done absolutely nothing illegal, in violation of u$hPa SOPs, or dangerous?

They wanted Saeid suspended when he is not even a member of the club. The Wings of Rogalllo hang gliding club received it's new permit from the Santa Clara County Parks Department last week. The new permit says, #14. A permittee shall not require, as a condition of flight, paragliding or hang gliding, that an individual first join or become a member of an organization, club or other entity.

The way it's always worked for US aerotowing.

Here is the real problem the club does not want you to hear. The lawyer for United States Hang Gliding Association is a guy by the name of Tim Herr.

No shit. The greatest mangler of legitimate SOPs and shredder of fatality reports in world aviation history.

Tim lives in the bay area and wants to protect USHPA financial interests.

Meaning his own financial interests.

Tim has been working with the Park Service to make them believe the USHPA is the authority on ultralight flight and all of their rules must be obeyed. So far they have lost on every one of their complaints. At one point the WOR club was floating the idea of suing the parks department for giving me, Big Air Hang Gliding, a commercial permit without their permission. Tim has got most of the pilots in my area believing that opening sites to other organizations is a bad thing.

It is for him and u$hPa. So really this is just a personal opinion thing.

Please help save hang gliding at Ed Levin park. If you would like to help, call or write Tim Herr and tell him to stop working against the hang gliding pilots before it all gets shut down.

Yeah, I'll bet that'll really get him back on the right track in a New York minute.

Here is Tims contact info:
Herr and Zapala LLP
http://mylawfirm.com/herr.htm
Telephone: (408) 287-7788

And be sure to tell him for me that he can suck my dick and rot in hell.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55691
Test flying the Wills Wing Sport 3 - 155

Andrew Vanis - 2018/04/09 22:24:45 UTC

interesting it was a pro-tow setup and the image in the article is 3-point towing

- and certainly don't trouble yourself to start off the sentence with a capital letter and end it with a period

- And here's the image in the "article":

http://ozreport.com/22.71
Test flying the Wills Wing Sport 3 - 155

Paul Voight at the Wills Wing Demo Day at Wallaby Ranch flies the "race" version of the Sport 3 that I flew.

that we didn't get to see in the Davis Show forum edition.

- Interesting that an upstate New York Wills Wing dealer is demoing a Wills Wing glider at a Wills Wing Demo Day at the Wallaby Ranch aerotow park Wills Wing dealership in Davenport Florida when Wills Wing doesn't design its gliders to be motorized, tethered, or towed.

- So how do you know he was "3-point" towing? All we can see in the photo is a bridle being split between the pilot and glider. (That's at total of two - for the benefit of you math challenged Davis Show shitheads.)

- Davis has said:

Davis Straub - 2018/04/06 12:29:43 UTC

There is no need for a three point tow bridle setup with this glider.

and has been at an around all this plenty long enough to understand what's what and who's who and never been the slightest bit wrong about anything in the course of his entire fucking hang gliding career so I can't understand why you're even raising the issue.

http://www.willswing.com/aerotow-release-attachment-points-for-wills-wing-gliders/
Aerotow Release Attachment Points for Wills Wing Gliders - Wills Wing

Sport 2 135, 155 - On keel, at back of bottom surface zipper - Set VG to 1/2

But I'm sure that this has been such a radical departure from the earlier Sports that there is absolutely no need whatsoever for a three point tow bridle setup with this glider - and that Wills Wing, which doesn't design its gliders to be motorized, tethered, or towed, has certified it to that effect.

(And do make sure to always use an appropriate weak link with a finished length of 1.5 inches or less - but that goes without saying.)

[<BS>]

There is no need for a three point tow bridle setup with this glider.

Interesting understanding that there needs to be no other consideration but bar pressure when it comes to making that determination.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?p=241458#p241458
LOOKING FOR PRO-TOW RELEASE

I've never aerotowed pilot-only, but it is my understanding that this configuration pulls the pilot forward significantly, limiting the amount he can pull in further.

Incorrect understanding.

Similarly, it is my understanding that when the tow line is not centered horizontally in the control frame, the pilot is pulled to the side, limiting the amount he can roll in that direction.

Also incorrect.

There you go.

[<BS>]

http://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1949/45499179101_cbec41fb01_o.jpg

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=96d56320-f651-45ca-9b78-ba985337e1c0
Airshow Pilot Dan Buchanan Perishes While Performing in Idaho

Details are minimal, at the moment, though one published description noted that his glider descended sharply to impact near the runway following his release from a winch tow to an undisclosed altitude.

[Steve Davy]

http://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2018/june/04/wheelchair-bound-aerobatic-pilot-dan-buchanan-was-62
AEROBATIC PILOT DAN BUCHANAN KILLED IN AIRSHOW PERFORMANCE

"It's very tragic," said pilot Fred Worthy, who was at the Idaho event. The act included a mock battle pitting the hang glider against an airplane that pretends to confront the smaller craft with close passes and staged banter between the pilots. "He was doing high angles of attack and pretending to have communication challenges" when tragedy struck, Worthy said. Buchanan appeared to parallel the ground without much airspeed "and then he pitched down" in a nose-down attitude, Worthy observed.

He lost thrust just when he needed it most.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_When_I_Needed_You_Most
Just When I Needed You Most

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=35916
I can not keep quiet any longer.

Mark G. Forbes - 2018/08/14 01:33:02 UTC

The fatality and injury statistics do not support a conclusion that paragliding is inherently more dangerous than hang gliding. I'm working on the accident summary compilation that the RRG will be releasing shortly, and the evidence just doesn't support that conclusion. As Paul says above, he's seeing a much larger volume of PG flying. Same thing here in Oregon. The PG club is very active; the HG group, now only a mailing list with no regular in-person meetings, is maybe a tenth of the activity, if that. And that mostly because we have one guy who seems to be able to go out flying almost every day!

The best way to get new HG pilots is to get them interested in the capability of a hang glider once they're flying. To do that we need to knock off the "PDMC" bullshit and focus on fun and community. We need to be open, receptive and welcoming to all pilots, and not act like a bunch of grumpy old farts. Which, I regret to say, is what a lot of this looks like.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54907
Lost Site?

Mark G. Forbes - 2018/02/01 05:26:59 UTC

I fly my PG in morning and evening air, relatively light winds or at coastal sites with consistent, smooth air. If it's getting thermic, or particularly, thermic with wind, then I don't want to be up there. Mid-day, I pretty much don't fly in summer; I do this for fun, and I prefer the milder morning and evening conditions. Others have a higher tolerance for turbulence and risk, and skills beyond mine.

09-20
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[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=36125
Liberating public land.

Jack Axaopoulos - 2018/08/24 12:39:50 UTC

More Bobk/US-Hawks crap leaking in. Its not permitted on this site. They have their entire own site. Go there.

Going to start handing out bans if people cant follow simple rules. The members here are complaining about the shilling and BobK proxies. End it now.

THREAD CLOSED.

More Bobk/US-Hawks crap leaking in. Its not permitted on this site.

YOU don't permit it in YOUR Living Room - one of the two official unofficial u$hPa forums.

They have their entire own site. Go there.

Love it or leave it, Jack Show cocksuckers in good standing. Ditto for Bob Show cocksuckers in good standing.

Going to start handing out bans if people cant follow simple rules.

Jack Show Jack's Imperial Edicts.

The members here are complaining about the shilling and BobK proxies.

THE members THERE?
- How many? What percentage of the 10550 members of The worlds largest hang gliding community?
- You say "members", plural, so we know at least two of them. And we know that one of them is the only member with a voice and vote that counts for anything.

You and Emperor Bob have so much in common. What a pity it is that you guys can't seem to get along any better than you do.

End it now.

Hear that, little Jack Show cocksuckers? Better do as you're ordered if you wanna continue to be members of The worlds largest hang gliding community.

THREAD CLOSED.

So pick one or two of the scores of POSITIVE and PRODUCTIVE hot Jack Show topics for your enthusiastic participation - all you freedom loving heterosexual rugged individualists.

Thanks bigtime for helping accelerate the death spiral of this ugly blight on the face of legitimate aviation, Jack.

And let's take a comparative look at the Jack Show classic "rules" and the new and improved version.
- black - identical
- red - vaporized
- blue - amended

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Good thing you got the porn rule in there, Jack. One can only imagine all the porn that would be appearing there otherwise.

What happened to the ignore list? I was head, shoulders, navel over the runner-up from shortly after my Jack Show debut in 2009 until it vanished what you tapatalked your dump over a year ago.

Funny you don't mention anything about all of Bob's arrests for trespassing on a public park or his expulsion from u$hPa. How come?

Guess we gotta treat the admin as the douchebag he is and always has been - someone who will ban in a New York minute anyone who treats him as a regular user and dares to disagree with him.

How are things going with the ol' Mission Statement? Hang gliding expanding, progressing, more flying opportunities cropping up all over the US and the rest of the planet? Improved training techniques? Better equipment? Enhanced safety? A more cohesive and effective recreational pilot community?

And I like the way you deal with voter fraud issues on The Jack Show. Same way Davis and Bob have - don't allow anybody else to cast a vote on anything that counts for anything.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=12682
Landing on your feet (for AEROTOW)- So Dangerous

Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/06/29 14:26:26 UTC

OMG!!! You dont even have wheels!!?!?!?!?
YOURE GONNA DIE FOR SUUUUREE!!!!

I have a brilliant idea. People who cant land for sh*t.... LEARN TO LAND That way when a weak link breaks on you, ITS A NON-ISSUE. Genius huh???

Got a list of the people who've learned to "land"?

Gil Dodgen - 1995/01

All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."

Everybody "learning" to...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings

Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC

I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.

..."land", nobody...

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...learning to fly, and, like Mike predicted around a quarter century ago, nobody's flying hang gliders anymore.

Keep up the great work making sure everybody in your crumbling mutual masturbation society keeps rubbing everyone else the right way.

P.S. And DO say hi to Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight for me. One post so far this year...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=35813
RIP Emma Martin

Ryan Voight - 2018/01/02 18:04:14 UTC

This is just so sad... I didn't know Emma but tried to find some meaningful words to share commenting on Peter's post... My thoughts are with her family, friends, and all that had the good fortune to know her...

...on its second day about another fatal failed stunt landing effort and we've heard nothing from him anywhere - including videos - since.