http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=30722
What happened to JD?
Tom Lyon - 2014/02/04 07:55:19 UTC
Regarding this from Mike Meier's article -
"we make bad choices and nothing detrimental happens it reinforce the habit of choosing poorly."
That's what I was referring to when I commented on turns near the ground elsewhere. I see so many landings where a low turn from base to final is just standard. And almost all of us have either seen, or know of someone who caught a wingtip or otherwise landed while in a turn. It's so dangerous.
In learning to fly the sailplanes, I had it drilled into me that below 200 feet, my options did not include anything more than maybe a very slight turn to avoid hitting an obstacle. Like 30 degrees from my heading may. A slight bank.
I see hang gliders make 90 degree turns from base to final at maybe 50' - 75' AGL fairly often. And I always cringe. Turns down low definitely appear to be something (from my very limited experience) that our sport needs to take more seriously in terms of avoidance.
Regarding this from Mike Meier's article -
"we make bad choices and nothing detrimental happens it reinforce the habit of choosing poorly."
Also works really well when extremely bad choices are presented as...
http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5322/10132306074_13fab65d5e_o.jpg
...Standard Operating Procedure and the results are...
Gil Dodgen - 1995/01
All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22176
Paragliding Collapses
Jim Rooney - 2011/06/12 13:57:58 UTC
Most common HG injury... spiral fracture of the humerus.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=28835
Why I don't paraglide
Tom Emery - 2013/04/17 14:29:12 UTC
Been flying Crestline about a year now. I've seen more bent aluminum than twisted risers. Every time another hang pounds in, Steven, the resident PG master, just rolls his eyes and says something like, "And you guys think hang gliding is safer."
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2095
Should we try a different way? Designwise....
Steve Corbin - 2015/09/02 22:26:04 UTC
Any un-biased observer should be able to see why wanna-be pilots find PG more attractive than HG. Standing around in the Andy Jackson Memorial International Airpark at a busy fly-in shows that a PG landing is a total non-event, while everyone stands up to watch HG's, piloted by "experts", come in to land. A good landing by a HG is greeted by cheers, an acknowledgement that landing one successfully is a demonstration not just of skill, but good luck as well.
...endless decades worth of unabated carnage.
That's what I was referring to when I commented on turns near the ground elsewhere.
And what a blessing it is that we have you over there in Jack's Living Room to alert all us stupid muppets as to what we need to do to clean up our acts.
I see so many landings where a low turn from base to final is just standard.
Wish I could find some more...
07-1014
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8604/16469500399_1f72de17ae_o.png
...good videos of them.
And almost all of us have either seen, or know of someone who caught a wingtip or otherwise landed while in a turn.
Yep.
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http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3682/14088396670_62d49cbf36_o.png
It's so dangerous.
Yep...
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=12682
Landing on your feet (for AEROTOW)- So Dangerous
Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/06/29 14:26:26 UTC
OMG!!! You dont even have wheels!!?!?!?!?
YOURE GONNA DIE FOR SUUUUREE!!!!
I have a brilliant idea. People who cant land for sh*t.... LEARN TO LAND
That way when a weak link breaks on you, ITS A NON-ISSUE. Genius huh???
So Dangerous.
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http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2932/14295179433_313938b3f9_o.png
In learning to fly the sailplanes, I had it drilled into me that below 200 feet...
09-A02358
http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7491/27544073001_20220a69c7_o.png
...my options did not include anything more than maybe a very slight turn to avoid hitting an obstacle.
And here he is, plain as day, well below 200 feet going base to final:
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http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5530/14088471377_3b98f74631_o.png
Like 30 degrees from my heading may. A slight bank.
You really nailed it, JackieB. (Odd the way he seems to have caught the wrong tip though...
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http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5033/14251899186_beac641259_o.png
Go figure.)
I see hang gliders make 90 degree turns from base to final at maybe 50' - 75' AGL fairly often. And I always cringe.
Guess you're still cringing now - half a decade later. Still waiting for that fifty foot asshole to misjudge his altitude and fatally cartwheel. Just a matter of time.
Turns down low definitely appear to be something (from my very limited experience)...
...and totally nonexistent intellect...
...that our sport needs to take more seriously in terms of avoidance.
Looks like you really got through to them. Keep up the great work.
