I Launched Without Buckling into my Harness - a hang gliding film by Greg Porter
Pretty small audience. Maybe expand it to people who fly hang gliders. In my humble opinion anyone who might benefit from a presentation like this isn't an actual pilot and would have precious little hope of ever becoming one.Greg Porter - 2013/10/02
Hey...
So this video's primarily for hang glider pilots.
Your mistakes were made way before and immediately prior to the launch. The launch itself went off pretty well.I made a mistake during a launch...
Oh good. FINALLY we'll have somebody address the issue of unsecured harness buckles....and I wanna share it with you in hopes that you won't make the same.
And here's your core problem. You're presenting this as though you're the first and only individual to have ever experienced a hooked-into-glider-but-not-secured-into-harness incident and that this incident was a hitherto unknown phenomenon. If you'd either had competent instruction, done your homework, or engaged your brain for five or ten seconds that you'd have known otherwise and very probably not assumed that a stupid hang check which felt 100.00 percent normal and solid was telling you NOTHING about the status of your leg loops and chest buckle.
Pity you didn't skip the stupid hang check and spend the time and effort it ate up thinking about worst case scenarios with respect to assembly and preflight. Ditto for the conspicuously unidentified asshole you had to recruit to hold your nose.
A new first in hang gliding. Sounds like such an astoundingly rare event that it probably isn't worth a tiny fraction of the effort you've put into this project.What I did was I launched with my harness hooked to the glider, but I was not buckled into the harness.
You had a terrible landing - but it didn't have shit to do with the unbuckled harness issues. And please do tell us why your ilk would consider it insane to fly without a parachute and/or helmet but perfectly OK to run off a ramp minus wheels. What are the chances on any given flight that your safety will be dependent upon your parachute or helmet? Can't think of anyone vegged, quaded, killed for want of wheels in not unreasonable landing situations?I'll show you the launch, I'll show you the terrible landing that I had as a result...
The way it did for Kunio from the north launch 2008/08/30? Don't wanna even acknowledge his previous existence in this one? Why? Doesn't reflect real well on the local crowd?I was very fortunate that it didn't turn out much worse.
And speaking of Kunio... You launch sans buckled buckles and suffer zero direct consequences beyond a short flight on what would've been a great thermal soaring day and put tons of thought and effort developing and documenting your best shot at a fix. Kunio falls out of his glider to his death in full view of a horrified fly-in crowd and his wife and kids and the response is total ZILCH.
And thanks bigtime for the excellent documentation that not an iota of positive response had been effected 'cause if there had been your issues would've been caught by your wire man - a good friend and an excellent pilot whom you're not showing 'cause this was 100% your issue. Yeah, we have this great community of good friends and excellent pilots none of whom are competent and give flying fucks enough to catch these issues on any gliders other than their own most of the time.
A good friend and an excellent pilot? He's neither. Didn't catch the issues, identify himself, apologize for not catching the issues. Was he also one of the two hangies on Kunio's final crew? Certainly could be. Identical performance at launch and post incident.
There's a DEFINITE pattern here. After a fatality or severe career ender there's NEVER a discussion about what was done wrong or could've been done better by the local or national community or organization. 'Cause if anything smacking of a legitimate fix emerges it's an admission that the organization COULD HAVE prevented it and DIDN'T 'cause it was incompetent and/or negligent. That's why at 2015/03/27 Jean Lake everything that was used and done was TYPICAL of how things are used and done and the fixes were all about using and doing things more and better typically.
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1. Oh, you're a lift and tug guy then. Get with Tom Galvin and Joe Greblo - they'll set you straight.I think what the problem was, was I had a false sense of security.
2. You THINK that you had a false sense of security and that was the problem? Can you get back to us when you're sure or have dismissed it as an issue?
1. What did your ace u$hPa certified Instructors and ratings officials have to say on the issue and who were they? How come everyone has to come up with his individual feelings on the best way to deal with the single most critical issue of foot launch hang gliding? And when we watch videos of your non problematic flights what are we seeing that you owe to your instructors?I felt like if I hooked my harness into the glider without fail, before I ever got into the harness, that I'd never launch unhooked.
In my case it's precious bloody little. Just about all the success I achieved in this flavor of aviation came from discarding all the total rot with which those douchebags attempted to indoctrinate me.
2. Almost at the beginning of my career - as a new Two in 1980 - I felt like no matter what I did this was I mistake I WOULD make, that if I continued in the sport I'd be dead as a result of this one inside of two years. I'd read the fatality reports and think, "Yeah, I can see myself EASILY making the same mistake in the same run-of-the-mill launch circumstances." And my shit formal instruction was primarily geared toward pulling off spot landings with perfectly timed and executed flares 'cause that would be all I'd have going for me after my staying-in-range-of-reasonable-landing-fields skills failed me.
3. So it would just be totally moronic to make any pretense of adhering to u$hPa's third of a century old hook-in check SOP. Even more moronic to start adhering to it.
4. Known since the beginning of time as the "Aussie Method". And the reason you're not identifying it as such is...? Afraid of pissing off some of your Aussie Methodist douchebag buddies?
5. Yeah, Mike Bomstad also felt like if he hooked his harness into the glider without fail, before he ever got into the harness, that he'd never launch unhooked.
- And here he is on 2012/07/06 finding out that he'd failed to hook his harness into his glider before getting into the harness in the course of an unintentional hook-in check forced by the launch mode:
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- And here he is on 2013/08/18 - a bit over a year later and about 90.5 miles to the ENE - once again finding out that he'd failed to hook his harness into his glider before getting into the harness in the course of another unintentional hook-in check which occurred due to an extremely fortunate accident of circumstances:
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The concept tended not to work out all that well for him back in the real world either. The first one was a nonevent 'cause the unhooked launch is an actual issue only for foot launchers. The second one could EASILY have been fatal - as WonderBoy well knows and so states in the video. Launch terrain is an escarpment and was pretty much exactly the same degree of lethal as what Kunio was dealing with at Mingus North.
You STARTED to buckle yourself in? But you ended up not buckling yourself in at all? And it's not worth the bandwidth to tell us anything about the interruption? Cougar attack?And so that's what I did on this launch as I always did. So when I started to buckle myself in...
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She was just bluffing. Don't let yourself get rattled by shit like that.
"YOUR" process sucked to begin with. How much documentation of its failures had to exist in order for you to take any notice?...that's where my process fell down.
You're speaking of the preflight in past tense. You never came particularly close to finishing it. The hang glider parts company with conventional fixed wing aircraft in that the harnessed and connected guy is the control system - along with being the pilot. That's the main point (I just noticed) at which this:I was preoccupied with things that had happened during preflight...
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Today was a bad day!
bullshit seriously breaks down. It's not just the harness that's part of the aircraft. The harness isn't just the empty cockpit. it's also part of the control linkage back to the wing and it needs a couple hundred pounds of mass, muscle, and brains inside of it and two links to the control bar for things to start functioning properly.Mike Bomstad - 2009/08/26 04:21:15 UTC
The harness is part of the aircraft... end of story.
(Just because it's easy to remove, does not mean it should be. Dont choose the path of least resistance)
Attach it to the wing, completing the aircraft.... then preflight the completed aircraft.
Buckle yourself into the cockpit and then your ready.
A conventional fixed wing aircraft could execute a launch, XC flight, and landing with just a small computer onboard or somebody talking to it from the ground. Get back to me when you see that happening with a full scale hang glider.
So the aircraft isn't and the preflight can't be successfully completed until after the pilot's properly and securely buckled into the harness. You preflight everything you can while not connected to the wing then you get your assembly in launch configuration and preflight check any remaining issues: connection to hang strap, twists, misroutings, leg loops, buckles, parachute pins, helmet, vario, radio. (Better to hook the empty harness in first if circumstances permit but it doesn't matter all that damn much. You're gonna assume it's not hooked in either way.)
And buckling yourself into the cockpit of the conventional aircraft cockpit is NOT the same as buckling yourself into your hang glider harness in another dimension. If you fail to buckle yourself into the cockpit there's close to ZERO chance you'll have a significant problem within the first five minutes - assuming you don't do anything else really stupid. If you fail to safely buckle yourself into the harness you can easily find yourself dead within five or ten seconds of a foot launch.
Also... After buckling yourself into the cockpit you can't suddenly realize you left your iPhone back in the hangar, retrieve it, get distracted by an important incoming call, take off not realizing that you didn't rebuckle, fall out of the plane from halfway down and fifty feet over the runway and die.
The bad news is you can EASILY do that at Mingus. The good news is that a hook-in check is a procedure with essentially ZERO cost in time and effort and WILL eliminate the problem. But...
023-24503A lot of pilots will...
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...you motherfuckers REFUSE to do them. At the same ramp nine months plus a day after your serious incident launch......pick up the glider, until they feel the tension on their, leg loops, to be sure those leg loops are attached.
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ZILCH.
EVERYBODY gets preoccupied with things that happen during preflight once in a while and fuck thinking through your stupid steps. All we gotta think about is what might happen when we run off this escarpment two seconds from now if we're not properly secured to our glider. Think 2008/08/30 Kunio Yoshimura if nothing significant is coming to you. That should be a total no-brainer at this launch....and so I didn't think through the steps.
And while a lot of pilots will...
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...pick up the glider until they feel the tension on their leg loops to be sure those leg loops are attached - AND THEY'RE HOOKED IN - I'm not one of those pilots. Those pilots are all fags.
Or preflight or do any semblance of a hook-in check. And your wire man - whom you're not showing despite the fact that he's a good friend and an excellent pilot - was 100% on board with this 'cause this was 100% your issue. And if either of you assholes wires anybody else off that launch - unhooked, partially hooked, minus a buckle or two - it will again be 100% his issue. Also the problem of the pilots still on launch and down in the LZ, the Cottonwood emergency response people, wife, kids, parents, work colleagues...And I didn't buckle myself into the harness.
Wow.I even did a hang check.
But your bar clearance didn't need adjustment this time so what the hell.And I didn't catch it in the hang check.
No you won't. You'll show us WHAT happened but not how and why.So I'll show you how that happened.
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Doesn't matter all that much what your configuration is when you GO TO launch. Talk to the Glacier Point and Makapu'u guys if you don't believe me.This is the correct configuration the harness should be in when I go to launch...
011-14009I have my leg loops around me, I have my leg loop buckle is secured, under this zipper I have a chest buckle that's secured. And then I'm zipped down.
Now when I went to launch I had forgotten to do my leg loops and I had forgotten to do my chest buckle.
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013-14413So all I did was I attached this zipper... 'cause I was preoccupied and I zipped it down...
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Just like everyone who's ever fallen to his death from a glider has always in the seconds and frequently in the minutes prior to launch has. That's how come I NEVER feel secure until comfortably after the point at which there'd be anything I could do about anything. But you've just developed this really cool checklist system so you can go back to feeling secure, totally secure again well prior to and through launch....and I felt secure - totally secure.
018-15801When I went to launch all of a sudden my weight - of course the harness is hooked to the glider - my weight fell to my armpits here... and when that happened, this zipper opened up to there...
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Guess you were feeling substantially insecure at that point....after launch.
022-21506I did a hang check in this configuration... And so I thought I was OK.
Lemme show you that hang check.
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Has there ever been anything in the u$hPa SOPs about a hang check?
And just how likely do you think you'd be to ever repeat a mistake like that? But you're gonna need to develop a checklist system choked with a score of chickenshit items to deal with it?So... There was the hang check. And I know now that it felt OK to me because my zipper was done which supported my chest weight and when I push with my feet against the boot of the harness it raised my hips off the ground. And so I couldn't tell that my leg loops were unattached.
You're not the first individual to make this type of error and the vast majority of them survive just as you did. Ever hear of anyone:
- making it twice?
- preventing a rerun as a consequence of having developed a checklist?
If I'd screwed a pooch like this and felt I'd needed to develop a checklist to deal with the issue, that the experience itself hadn't been enough to get my brain successfully and permanently rewired, then I'd seriously question whether hang gliding were really an appropriate hobby for me. Probably also driving a car on a highway on which I might encounter other vehicles.
023-24503A lot of pilots will...
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That's just plain loony. Why do something like that when you can produce a high tech checklist that stows in your nosecone and write a procedures manual for its proper use? Is picking up the glider until you feel the tension on your loops to be sure those leg loops are attached gonna tell you whether or not your helmet's chin strap is buckled? I lost count of the times I did hook-in checks only to notice my chin strap fluttering in the breeze thirty seconds after launch....pick up the glider, until they feel the tension on their, leg loops, to be sure those leg loops are attached.
024-25103I'll show you...
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Stay tuned....after the video of the flight what I'm doing different to make sure this doesn't happen. But for now let's go take a look at the flight. It was pretty scary. Here you go.