http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=883
What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/28 20:18:03 UTC
I stand behind my decision with Tad, and I would like to hear how you think this might have been handled differently. I had hoped for a better solution myself, but I wasn't able to find one. If you have a better solution, then please don't be stingy about sharing it with us.
Thanks.
miguel - 2012/03/14 00:32:40 UTC
I will take the bait.
You could have deleted all of the pederasty at its appearance.
OR...
He coulda minded his own fuckin' business, stuck to hang gliding issues, operated within his pay grade, and not posted:
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/13 05:55:39 UTC
If I boot you permanently it will be due to my concerns over the topic we discussed on the phone. This forum should be a safe place for people of varying ages to visit. You have not given me any assurances that's true with you on this forum.
And then none of this woulda been a problem for anybody - and I could be dealing with hang gliding issues a lot more and stuff that's nobody else's fuckin' business a lot less.
But that wasn't part of Bob's game plan. His game plan was to get rid of me using whatever pretense he thought he could get away with. So, very mistakenly believing he'd be able to intimidate and silence me, he pulled what he thought was an ace out of his sleeve.
And here we are dude.
It does the forum no good to keep dredging it up for all readers to see.
Great! So keep dredging it up for all readers to see. Anything that's damaging the forum brings joy to my heart.
Other than the pederasty, I had no problems with Tad's postings.
1. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln...
2. Yeah.
Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC
You then reference this discussion publicly, forcing Tad to straighten the record publicly, and maintain your reference was vague enough that it was his choice to bring it up.
So talk to the person who, for nothing other than his own political reasons, publicly broached the issue.
3. Did you have any problem with Brian Horgan's:
dont be a fag
thread over on The Jack Show?
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=12356
'Cause if you did yours was one of the hundreds of voices conspicuously absent from the list of people who called that asshole on it. I know Bob was totally cool with it. Probably wishes he had thought of it first.
Sam Kellner - 2012/03/14 02:38:17 UTC
Yet here it is in the Building the Hawks forum. I totally agree, deleat all of his garbage and reference.
Yeah, Bob...
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=15047
Thank You SG!.
Bob Kuczewski - 2010/01/01 06:08:31 UTC
San Diego
Finally!! A topic where everyone agrees with me!!!
You've done a great thing here SG!!
Start deleting posts and altering the historical record.
You're always making pretenses of all these noble principles but you're always working your way to fine print your way around them whenever they start becoming inconvenient for you and you're always aligning yourself and supporting fascist scum to whom they mean absolutely NOTHING.
And I HAVE noticed that you've posted twice on that thread subsequent to that post from your idiot soulmate without condemning it in no uncertain terms - which anybody who had the least ACTUAL concern for and value of anything regarding ethics would have.
Personally, I can get along just fine without that part of the forum.
Well yeah, Sam. You've gotten along without a functional brain or any pretense of principles for God knows how many decades - so a little evidence tampering shouldn't bother you too much.
Actually, I am hoping I don't regret linking any thing to this forum with the continual dredging up.
Actually, I'm thinking you do already. Gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside - motherfucker.
Additionally, I am not worried about any threat of having someone say "told you so". He had nothing better to offer. Only a obsession to waste/dominate other's attention.
1. Like I'm doing right now. Three months after I got shut down. Life just doesn't get much better than this.
2. And I'm doing that just great over here. People are asking me to waste and dominate their attention and give them something to read. Currently averaging a bit under fourteen hits per post on the "Releases" thread. You've got just over a dozen hits per post on your "Tad the Child Molester" thread. I'da thunk you coulda done a lot better than that.
Please, let's move on.
Yeah, let's just move on. Get things back to the way they were before Tad first logged on.
Bob, if this is going to continue, please let me know.
I think it's a pretty safe assumption it will, Sam - if that's of any help to you.
Thank You,
Sam
Fuck You,
Tad
Bob Kuczewski - 2012/03/14 15:03:47 UTC
My final decision was made based on a phone call where Tad relayed that he had molested a 12 year old boy while he (Tad) was in a position of trust (scouting, in this case) regarding the boy.
1. Fuck you, Bob. I never RELAYED to you anything of the sort - motherfucker.
Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC
You continually misrepresent Tad's statements.
There's a clear black and white record for all to see of you outright lying about what I've put in print. And, as far as I'm concerned, if you're attributing ANYTHING to me from a phone conversation or isn't quoted text, preferably IN context, then I didn't say it - until I confirm it.
And I don't have a problem confirming ANYTHING I actually said to Bob on the phone and anything I actually said to Bob on the phone and confirm is gonna be consistent with the written record as far back as anyone wants to go.
2. Bullshit. You had made your "final decision" well before...
Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC
You banish him to the basement without any justification other than some faux 'experiment'.
...you had locked me down in your basement without any justification other than some faux 'experiment' which you were gonna interpret to justify your "final decision" regardless of what did or didn't happen.
3. But that wasn't working too good 'cause you were too stupid to remember if the pretense for you locking me down was supposed to be a harmless experiment for "about a month" or a punishment for some infraction of your bogus Sacred Mission Statement Principles.
4. So you decided to try to play your ace.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/14 04:53:36 UTC
I heard about this incident when I was on the road, but I waited a few days until I got to San Diego to address it with Tad. Whenever I hear a rumor, I try to either dismiss it or confirm it directly with the person being accused. That's what I did with Tad in this case, and I called him personally to ask about the incident.
Bullshit.
1. What "INCIDENT"?
2. You may have heard something when you were on the road but what you're NOT saying is that you had heard the "rumor" via Jim Rooney well prior to 2011/08/26 when Davis and Rooney played the child molester card on:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
when and because they were getting chewed to shreds by Ridgerodent and Zack. That move didn't work any better for them than it did for you so Davis had to resort to his usual tactic of...
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22660
What can be learned from this "scooter" towing accident?
Davis Straub - 2011/02/07 19:21:29 UTC
Okay, enough. On to new threads.
...declaring victory and silencing the opposition. (This ringing any bells, Bob?)
3. And I didn't make any secret of that thread on The Bob Show...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=767
Is This a Joke? We Know What We're Doing?
Tad Eareckson - 2011/08/26 23:35:27 UTC
There's some MAJOR damage being done over there to Davis, Rooney, and the Flight Park Mafia, thanks to one or two Kite Stringers. Positions that have been held for decades are collapsing and the enemy is getting lethally mired in all the contradictions.
Anybody who hasn't (yet) been kicked off The Davis Show has a really good opportunity right now to get over there and insert some knives and twist some blades. And we don't wanna hafta worry about a bunch of useless pain-in-the-ass prisoners when this is over - if you get my drift.
...either. I directed people to it AFTER those two cowardly evil shits had played the child molester card.
But anyway...
4. You alluded to the dirt Rooney was spreading about me on the phone a month or two prior to that thread. I was prepared to address it if you asked me anything but didn't volunteer anything 'cause it was none of your fuckin' business and you had already let me know that you were pretty OK with the "dont be a fag" thread while we were discussing the issue of bullying shortly after the Lynn Perry suicide.
5. So this:
Whenever I hear a rumor, I try to either dismiss it or confirm it directly with the person being accused. That's what I did with Tad in this case, and I called him personally to ask about the incident.
is misleading bullshit. You had heard the rumor but you weren't interested in making The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit for another six months or so until you realized that there was no fuckin' way your efforts to train me to play nice with your pet shitheads like Sam were gonna have any effect whatsoever.
6. It was at THAT point and that point only when you suddenly determined that you needed make The Bob Show a safe place for people of varying ages to visit.
7. And, when I didn't kiss your arrogant, self righteous, bigoted Nazi ass and tell you what a horrible thing I had done and how choked with guilt and remorse I was, you posted:
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/14 04:53:36 UTC
But what concerned me greatly was Tad's response when I asked him if he felt he'd done anything wrong by having homosexual relations with a 12 year old boy. I don't recall Tad's exact words, but they did not reflect any significant remorse for his actions toward the boy.
This is a serious matter, and it's one that I never anticipated when I created this forum or when I invited Tad to join us. I really don't know how to handle this, and I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone on this subject. Thanks in advance.
on the pretense that the thoughtful comments you were gonna get were actually gonna have some bearing on what you had already determined you were gonna do - EXACTLY...
http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
HangGliding.Org's Mission Statement
Tired of seeing an inflammatory topic on the front page? Click on the "BURY this topic" link at the top of the page. Once a topic gets enough votes, it will be moved to "The Basement" forum where it will no longer show up on the front page.
...the way your buddy Jack does with his phony BURY button.
8. And if I HAD kissed your arrogant, self righteous, bigoted Nazi ass and told you what a horrible thing I had done and how choked with guilt and remorse I was you would've posted:
But what concerns me greatly is that, while Tad understands what a horrible thing he did and is choked with guilt and remorse concerning his unconscionable abuse and exploitation of this innocent helpless victim, we really can't afford to take ANY chances of exposing our younger members to ANY potential risk.
This is a serious matter, and it's one that I never anticipated when I created this forum or when I invited Tad to join us. I really don't know how to handle this, and I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone on this subject. Thanks in advance.
on the pretense that the thoughtful comments you were gonna get were actually gonna have some bearing on what you had already determined you were gonna do.
I asked Tad if he felt that it was wrong for a 30 year old man to have a sexual relationship with a 12 year old boy.
Ooh!!! This is the first time you've failed to specify that it was a HOMOsexual relationship between a thirty year old man and a twelve (to fourteen) year old boy. Did you FINALLY start to figure out that that might not have been the smartest political move?
He replied that he didn't see a problem other than the consequences dealt by society. He couldn't seem to grasp that a 12 year old boy does not have the maturity to enter into that kind of relationship.
Fuck you, Bob. You worry about your own goddam personal relationships and keep your quack amateur psychiatric perspectives to yourself. When I was a twelve year old boy I had thirty times more maturity, common sense, and respect for fairness than you ever will. And even back then I didn't want assholes like you inside a hundred mile radius of me.
Now I can be forgiving of many things if people are repentant.
1. Who the fuck are YOU to be forgiving of ME of ANYTHING I've ever done? If I'da gotten drunk and driven over your foot you coulda forgiven me if you'd felt like it. But I haven't done that to you.
2. So you wanna start forgiving people look for someone who's run over your foot - or at least has run over someone else's foot - and leave any repentance and forgiveness issues to involved parties.
3. And there's a pretty good chance that both of the involved parties on this one would tell you to fuck off. I know fer sure at least one of them would.
4. You're totally forgiving of an instructor who signs a student off in blatant violation of the rating requirements after that student has run off an escarpment without his glider and don't give a rat's ass that - not only is he not the least bit repentant about his gross negligence - but does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to clean up his fuckin' act.
- And the victim I'm thinking about had kids who were people of varying ages.
- And I know for a fact that that family wasn't real happy about the way things went 'cause they filed a ten million dollar lawsuit.
- So why don't you go get Steve Wendt to become repentant before focusing all your boundless energy on Yours Truly? 'Cause he's not a political threat to you and you think I'm a soft target?
- Asshole.
But Tad gave me no assurance whatsoever that he would not repeat this behavior.
1. If you asked me to give me my assurance that I wouldn't plant a thirty thousand pound bunker buster at the Super Bowl I'd tell you to go fuck yourself (which I'd do anyway even if you hadn't asked me to give me my assurance that I wouldn't plant a thirty thousand pound bunker buster at the Super Bowl). Who the hell do you think you are? You don't ask me to give you assurances of ANYTHING.
2. But if I HAD kissed your arrogant, self righteous, bigoted Nazi ass and told you exactly what you wanted to hear you, of course, were gonna declare me not to be a danger to people of varying ages and welcome me back as a valued member of The Bob Show with open arms at the conclusion of you're experiment after "about a month".
3. I don't think that even in hang gliding you can find anybody moronic enough to buy that bullshit.
Since I have no control over the ages of people on this forum, and since I do not monitor any PM messages sent between members, I decided that it was prudent to ban him from the forum.
But...
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/14 21:27:28 UTC
Peaceful Coexistence
More specifically, I would like to see you voluntarily resign from active participation in the US Hawks with a statement that you support what we are doing but want to focus on your work at Kite Strings. I will follow that with a statement that we've appreciated your contributions to the US Hawks and we'll be following your progress on Kite Strings as well as seeking your specialized advice as we progress in building the US Hawks. I'll encourage cross-linking to Kite Strings, and you'll encourage cross-linking to US Hawks. We'll both benefit.
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/15 01:26:16 UTC
Re: Peaceful Coexistence
I will still honor my suggestion below that you resign from the forum voluntarily so we can support our shared causes, but I do not want you to continue posting on the US Hawks forum. Please let me know if you'd like to resign "peacefully" as I've outlined by midnight tonight (Eastern time), or I'll remove you and state my own reasons.
...if I had VOLUNTARILY resigned "PEACEFULLY" from The Bob Show as you'd outlined by your deadline (so I could spend more time with my family) he'd maintain the prominent link to Kite Strings at:
http://www.ushawks.org/
and...
We'll both benefit.
...we'd both benefit.
- You would get to maintain the pretense of...
One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.
...running an organization that really did honor the free speech of its members; and
- I'd still have a few Bob Show younger members that you'd send my way so I could PM them and lure them into devastating and perverted homosexual relationships.
- Damn! I can't BELIEVE I didn't take that deal! What was I thinking!
If you were sincerely concerned that I was 0.1 percent the threat that you're pretending to believe and portraying me as...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=992
Continuing Saga of Weak Link and Release Mechanism Failures
Bob Kuczewski - 2012/03/05 06:17:32 UTC
By the way, I don't mind anyone posting quotes from Tad on this site or even links to his posts on "kitestrings":
http://kitestrings.prophpbb.com
...you'd have HUGE problems with links to ANYTHING on Kite Strings.
I don't send people I give a rat's ass about to Wallaby, Quest, Blue Sky, Ridgely, Lockout, or Pagen or the Davis, Jack, or Bob Shows. If somebody on Kite Strings posted such a recommendation I'd have something very unambiguous to say on the issue in a New York minute.
You're not anywhere NEAR smart enough to make a good con artist. Try to find something with which you can amuse yourself that isn't likely to get anyone besides yourself killed and doesn't take much in the way of brains or common sense.
As a side note, Tad's inability to see a problem with his 12yr/30yr relationship...
You fuck up your own relationships, Bob. That's all any of us are qualified to do. Stay the hell out of other people's - especially MINE.
...reflects a systemic problem in Tad's reasoning.
Oh my God!!! You're right!!! Please tell me how...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hhpa/
Houston Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association
Zack C - 2010/10/15 13:25:50
Speaking of which, while I can fault Tad's approach, I can't fault his logic, nor have I seen anyone here try to refute it. You may not like the messenger, but that is no reason to reject the message.
...I can get this systemic problem with my reasoning cured!
I believe this is the root of many of Tad's problems in other areas.
I'm really touched by your concern. It's hard to imagine how miserable my life would've been if we had never crossed paths.
If Tad can defend and justify his sexual relationship with a 12 year old boy, then I believe he can defend and justify anything that he does or says.
Yeah, no telling WHAT I might do! I should probably be put away in a special high security installation while you come up with a final solution to the problem.
I believe that's been his fundamental problem on all of these forum discussions.
Zack C - 2012/03/12 01:09:03 UTC
When I created this forum, I didn't even know if it would still be around after a year. I'm glad that not only is it still here, we've gained some valuable participants as well (even if our numbers are small).
I'm equally happy to see we're starting to get some blips on Google. For example, search for '"towing aloft"' and the first two links are to this site (even ahead of Amazon). Search for 'aerotow weak link' and we're the second.
1. My forum's burying your forum 'cause it caters to people who know what they're talking about and/or wanna learn.
2. My fundamental problem on all these forum discussions is that I've done my homework and can annihilate the idiots and frauds who control and populate them.
3. That was my fundamental problem on The Bob Show - and I'm not the only one who knows it.
Having said all of that, I still believe that Tad can contribute to the sport of hang gliding in many ways.
1. CAN?
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25527
Mouth AT Releases
Diev Hart - 2012/03/13 16:52:53 UTC
I want a remote barrel, that looks simple enough...how much?
2. What the fuck have you ever contributed to hang gliding? How would the sport be any different - and I'm thinking better here - if you were paragliding only?
I am open to any suggestions on how we can do that while not exposing our younger members to any potential risk. Thanks.
How 'bout:
- stopping this farce you're maintaining about having younger members?
- stopping this farce you're maintaining about actually giving a rat's ass about younger - or older - members?
- recognizing that the biggest threats to younger - and older - members...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=822
US Hawks Hook-In Verification Poll
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/11/09 18:34:13 UTC
Your 5 second time limit between hook-in check and launch is unreasonably short - especially when attached to the consequences that you've listed. This would preclude, for example, the "turn and look" hook-in check that Joe Greblo teaches because 5 seconds would easily elapse between that check and getting the glider back into position to launch.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went
Rick Masters - 2011/10/19 22:47:17 UTC
At that moment, I would banish all concern about launching unhooked. I had taken care of it. It was done. It was out of my mind.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=821
Fatal hang gliding accident
Sam Kellner - 2011/11/07 02:47:58 UTC
Preflight, Hangcheck, Know you're hooked in.
...are coming from assholes like you and the ones you're cultivating.
4. Yeah. You wanna bring young people into hang gliding...
R.V. Wills - 1975/08
1975/07/18 - Hall Brock - 12 - Brock Standard Rogallo, flying prone - Welch's Gulch, Aspen, Colorado
Fatal. Probable broken neck. Only visible injury a thigh wound. Breathed only ten seconds.
Low altitude 360, steep bank into a dive from six hundred feet.
Apparent or Probable Cause: Inexperience in doing 360's and failure to heed advice to push out more and avoid a diving spiral. Hall had done very few 360's before this and was getting into diving spirals on the second half.
...but not expose them to any risk.
You got some major loose screws, Bob.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=883
What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
Bob Kuczewski - 2012/03/14 15:15:03 UTC
There will be many problems that crop up as the US Hawks grows.
AS it grows? That's a bit optimistic, don't ya think?
I think it's important that we - as a community - work together to handle them in the best way that we can.
"WE" - as a community? Who's "WE"? People you permit to be part of it and determine what they can and can't say, read, and participate in? Fuck that.
There are lots of things to learn from Tad's case.
Yeah, and I'm gonna do my best to make sure you assholes keep on learning them.
I am not convinced that I did the best thing...
1. Well...
Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC
I don't know whether you were genuinely doing what you felt was the right thing to do or just looking for convenient justification to finally can Tad, but I believe your actions were inappropriate and set a terrible precedent for your organization.
Not for you anyway. You did irreparable damage to yourself and your organization - but it did absolute wonders for me, Kite Strings, hang gliding, and the gene pool.
2. Oh! So you're not convinced you did the best thing. But, nevertheless, it's...
My final decision...
...your FINAL decision. I think it's a good idea for people who've made stupid, ugly, wrong decisions to make other decisions to try to undo some of the damage. So what's stopping you?
...and I think it's good to talk about other alternatives. That's part of what will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA.
WAY too late.
We can keep from becoming another USHPA by discussing our decisions openly and taking responsibility for our decisions.
1. Minus Tad's participation of course. Let's not go totally nuts here.
2. And don't worry... Yours Truly - and probably a few other people - ARE and WILL BE holding you responsible.
The Tad decision was clearly mine...
And not anywhere near as popular as you assumed it would be.
By the way... How'd that little experiment in which you locked me down (and, immediately afterwards, out) go? It's been "about a month" - or three. Did you get that big surge in posts, participation, activity, membership that you expected?
...and I feel obligated to answer questions regarding why I did it just as I feel USHPA should show their voting record and explain their decisions.
Yeah, you just made up your own rules, trampled all over me and your stated principles 'cause you felt like it, and explaining your decisions will make everything OK.
We can keep from becoming another HGAA by moving toward a Board of Directors to make decisions.
Yeah. Then you can get unbelievably stupid dickheads like Sam and Terry installed and THEY can make up the rules - the same ones you would - as they go along.
The HGAA imploded because one person (Jack/SG) could do whatever he wanted on the forum with no accountability. Right now the US Hawks isn't much different.
Correct.
It's just one dictator (me) in place of another (Jack).
And behaving in a very similar manner - just being a lot more subtle about it.
Kite Strings is also a dictatorship. That's stated up front and there's no intent to make it anything other than that. But nobody who's registered here ('cept for spammers) has ever been restricted in any way from saying anything he wants and full and equal full access and participation.
And Kite Strings is in a lot healthier shape than The Bob Show is - or ever will be.
But I'm trying to bend over backwards not to abuse that power and to discuss things with the community as I'm doing here.
1. Too late. You already abused the hell out of the power - and fuck the community. This wasn't any more of the goddam community's business than it was - or is - yours.
2. And I'm supposed to give a rat's ass what the people on THAT list "think"?
And I'll tell ya sumpin' else, Bob...
1. You got five people on a membership list I one hundred percent guarantee you that eight to ten of them DON'T WANT YOU GOING INTO THEIR PERSONAL BACKGROUNDS.
2. And you didn't do the math on that one before you went after me.
3. And you're NEVER gonna recover from what you did.
That's still not as good as having a real elected Board of Directors, but I don't think we have the membership or participation to do that yet.
You don't even have any stated principles that the dictator says he supports or believes in. And for that reason I doubt you're ever gonna get the membership or participation you need to to have a real elected Board of Directors.
But when we get to that point, I'd be happy to see people like Sam and Miguel on that Board.
No. There are not people like Sam AND miguel. There are people like Sam OR miguel. With miguel you can have a halfway rational discussion and get somewhere.
By the way... When Future President Sam gets in power will you support his purging of the historical record the way you did when he did purged the posts of Yours Truly and Nobody from the SouthWest Texas "chapter"?
So,if this passes, it looks like rewarding poor behavior, again.
I hope it's something more substantial than worrying about hurting the feelings of Chester the molester.