1. Thanks.
2. Which is why it never had a snowball's chance in hell of being published in USHGA's fluff and coverup magazine.
Off topic...
This part of the country is about to get the shit kicked out of it. I'm totally dreading Sunday night and my contact with the internet may be a bit sporadic for a good while after that.
You are NEVER hooked in.
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Tad Eareckson
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=27411
Rescue 911-Episode 415
3. This stupid shitty little sport needs all the belittling it can get.
Asshole.
- people do you know who know how to prevent unhooked launches?
- instructors do you think there are who teach people how to prevent unhooked launches?
2. From watching the film and listening to what wasn't being said, what do you think the odds are that Gil was taught how to prevent unhooked launches in the course of any of his rating signoffs?
Wanna take this opportunity to tell people HOW to one hundred percent prevent it?
Hey Jack, think he picked up a little cash for staying mum on the issue?
Rescue 911-Episode 415
michael170 - 2012/10/20 01:34:25 UTC
Rescue 911-Episode 415 "Hanging Hang Glider (Part 1)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls2QiDtSO7c
BeatleMoe - 2008/05/14
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Rescue 911-Episode 415 "Hanging Hang Glider (Part 2)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX_6UZ2UWEE
BeatleMoe - 2008/05/14
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That's OK, pretty much everything I see in hang gliding makes me wanna throw up.Felix Cantesanu - 2012/10/20 03:03:29 UTC
Baltimore
Ok, I almost threw up at the end there...c'mon...
1. When you're talking about how some ass screws up it's a good idea not to use an apostrophe.Jack Barth - 2012/10/20 15:57:03 UTC
Taking Credit
Remember watching this when it originally aired. Thought to myself what an Ass
Screw's up big time and belittles the sport?
2. But guess it's OK to skip hook-in checks until you put yourself and your passenger in the hospital then suppress the video, accept no responsibility, offer no apology, let New Zealand pick up your medical tab, and tell everybody that this kinda shit just happens, there's nothing we can do about it beyond hoping that our friends will catch the dangling carabiners, and if there were something better everyone would be doing it already.The Press - 2006/03/15
In a video, he was seen to hold on to the glider for about fifty meters before hitting power lines.
Rooney and the passenger fell about fifteen meters to the ground.
3. This stupid shitty little sport needs all the belittling it can get.
Yeah. They paid him extra to belittle the sport.Anything for a little cash.
Asshole.
The vast majority of hang glider launches - slope and tow - are extremely troubling to watch.Matthew Hendershot - 2012/10/20 18:04:05 UTC
Arroyo Grande, California
That was troubling to watch.
She was a goddam nonpilot girlfriend who was driving and helping out as she had been taught by the soon to be Darwin Award hopeful. Leave her the fuck alone.She was supposedly trained how to set up the glider...
Yeah. Reminds me a lot of this scenario:...but didn't even seem to know what had gone wrong, let alone help prevent it.
1. How many:Mark Johnson - 2008/08/31
Then all hell broke loose. "He's unhooked, shit..." Guys yelling at him over the radio to throw his chute, "Kunio don't think, throw your chute - throw your chute". We all watch in horror not believing this was happening.
- people do you know who know how to prevent unhooked launches?
- instructors do you think there are who teach people how to prevent unhooked launches?
2. From watching the film and listening to what wasn't being said, what do you think the odds are that Gil was taught how to prevent unhooked launches in the course of any of his rating signoffs?
Fuck the sport, the assholes who control it, and ninety percent of the people who participate in it.Then after all is done, they choose to shit all over the sport...
What accident?...rather than take responsibility for the fact that his accident was 100% preventable.
Wanna take this opportunity to tell people HOW to one hundred percent prevent it?
Guess not. OK, let's discuss the stunts and special effects instead.I'm also curious about the stunts. Not just the launch, but the brush with the treetops on approach of the other glider...
If Michael's memory serves... Great job using that platform to get the ol' hook-in check message out there, Joe. (Consistent with all the other jobs you do getting the ol' hook-in check message out there after all the other unhooked launch disasters we've had in the decades since.)Michael Nester - 2012/10/22 18:40:15 UTC
North Carolina
USHPA 15895 (1976)
I was involved with the local club at the time, and if my memory serves me, the production company brought Joe Greblo to do the reenactment.
Hey Jack, think he picked up a little cash for staying mum on the issue?
So what did local pilot Doug Rice (the guy who signed my Two on 1980/04/07) and others assisting have to say about hook-in checks? Just kidding.Local pilot Doug Rice and others assisted.
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
Tad,
Please post updates when you can so I don't have to worry any more than necessary.
Please post updates when you can so I don't have to worry any more than necessary.
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Tad Eareckson
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
The good news is I'm up high, the bad news is that the trees are a lot higher, they're Tulips (which are rather brittle), there are lots of them, and the leaves are far from all down - plus there are lots of trees within striking range of the powerlines along some of the three and a bit miles between here and the substation.
WHEN everything goes dark I'll try to keep ripping up bad guys on battery and posting when I get within range of a live connection but click Members and check LAST ACTIVE for the most recent indication of a pulse.
The derecho four months ago, now this unprecedented Frankenstorm... It's almost like the climate is changing. Probably has something to do with sunspots. Can hardly wait until the cycle's over and things start getting back to normal.
All the way with Mitt and Paul. Vote early and often - if your polling location isn't still underwater.
WHEN everything goes dark I'll try to keep ripping up bad guys on battery and posting when I get within range of a live connection but click Members and check LAST ACTIVE for the most recent indication of a pulse.
The derecho four months ago, now this unprecedented Frankenstorm... It's almost like the climate is changing. Probably has something to do with sunspots. Can hardly wait until the cycle's over and things start getting back to normal.
All the way with Mitt and Paul. Vote early and often - if your polling location isn't still underwater.
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Tad Eareckson
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4258
Rocky Mountain Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association
HG accident in Vancouver
I was under the impression that RMHGPA was SUPPOSED to be an organization of PILOTS - as obvious as it is that nothing of the sort is the actual case.
So who appointed you spokesman for the organization?
Is there anyone in RMHGPA who might object to him or herself being identified as a Lady or Gentleman?
I identified RMHGPA as a "useless cud chewing dump". Can you cite any evidence of members who don't resemble that remark?
- On 2012/04/28 Jon Orders launches a hang glider with an unhooked 27 year old passenger, drops her a thousand feet, lands, pulls the memory card out of the wing camera, and swallows it.
- A day and a half later RMHGPA starts the usual idiot thread talking about how horrible this is (
) and how everybody's gotta do and look for more hang checks, skip hook-in checks, and not look to see if people are hooked in at launch.
- I enter the conversation on 2012/05/21 and ask questions, provide quotes from and links to people who know what the fuck they're doing and talking about, outline an instructional program which would bulletproof Day 1 students, and ask people perfectly legitimate questions.
- The ONLY response I get - aside from lotsa hits - is Tom Galvin attacking my legitimacy, totally dodging my questions and the issues, criticizing me for not treating him and his fellow cult members with civility and respect he and they no way in hell come anywhere close to meriting, making the most astoundingly stupid comment I have ever heard denigrating the most effective strategy for preventing unhooked launches, announcing that he was walking out of the conversation, and signaling to his cult leader that he'd appreciate him banning me.
And none of this bothers or interests you enough to merit a single comment on any aspect of the issue. The ONLY thing that concerns you is that I identify RMHGPA as a bunch incompetent, apathetic, brain dead pigfuckers. Lenami's terrifying thousand foot plummet to the base of Mount Woodside where she's smashed to a lifeless pulp? No problem!
Sorry Kelly. You are no way in hell a Lady or Gentleman. You're a useless, petty, superficial, incompetent, apathetic, brain dead pigfucker - and you'd fit right in helping Bob and Sam build a better hang gliding organization.
Rocky Mountain Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association
HG accident in Vancouver
How come, Loopy? I didn't see any forum rules against abusive postings. And what other approaches could possibly be of any value for trying to communicate to any of you incompetent, apathetic, brain dead pigfuckers how this issue needs to be addressed?Jan Voegeli (Loopy) - 2012/11/01 21:16Done.tomgalvin wrote:
I suspect if you continue your abusive postings, you can add another forum to the list of those you have been banned from.
I didn't see that in the bylaws, Kelly.Kelly Hewes - 2012/11/01 23:02
Bailey, Colorado
We are an organization of both Ladies and Gentlemen.
I was under the impression that RMHGPA was SUPPOSED to be an organization of PILOTS - as obvious as it is that nothing of the sort is the actual case.
So who appointed you spokesman for the organization?
Is there anyone in RMHGPA who might object to him or herself being identified as a Lady or Gentleman?
I identified RMHGPA as a "useless cud chewing dump". Can you cite any evidence of members who don't resemble that remark?
Lessee Kelly...Thank you Loopy.
- On 2012/04/28 Jon Orders launches a hang glider with an unhooked 27 year old passenger, drops her a thousand feet, lands, pulls the memory card out of the wing camera, and swallows it.
- A day and a half later RMHGPA starts the usual idiot thread talking about how horrible this is (
) and how everybody's gotta do and look for more hang checks, skip hook-in checks, and not look to see if people are hooked in at launch.- I enter the conversation on 2012/05/21 and ask questions, provide quotes from and links to people who know what the fuck they're doing and talking about, outline an instructional program which would bulletproof Day 1 students, and ask people perfectly legitimate questions.
- The ONLY response I get - aside from lotsa hits - is Tom Galvin attacking my legitimacy, totally dodging my questions and the issues, criticizing me for not treating him and his fellow cult members with civility and respect he and they no way in hell come anywhere close to meriting, making the most astoundingly stupid comment I have ever heard denigrating the most effective strategy for preventing unhooked launches, announcing that he was walking out of the conversation, and signaling to his cult leader that he'd appreciate him banning me.
And none of this bothers or interests you enough to merit a single comment on any aspect of the issue. The ONLY thing that concerns you is that I identify RMHGPA as a bunch incompetent, apathetic, brain dead pigfuckers. Lenami's terrifying thousand foot plummet to the base of Mount Woodside where she's smashed to a lifeless pulp? No problem!
Sorry Kelly. You are no way in hell a Lady or Gentleman. You're a useless, petty, superficial, incompetent, apathetic, brain dead pigfucker - and you'd fit right in helping Bob and Sam build a better hang gliding organization.
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Tad Eareckson
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=842
Hang glider crash cuts power to homes
What she SHOULD have done was say nothing about his dangling carabiner, gotten on his nose to assist him to launch, waited until he asked her to clear, then insisted that he lift the glider as high as he could.
That would've scared him SHITLESS and gone a very long way to condition him for the proper launch sequence.
Furthermore, you and your lovely wife watched virtually every glider at that competition launch minus ANY PRETENSE of a hook-in check - in flagrant violation of USHGA's most critical of all safety regulations - and said NOTHING. And I'd bet a thousand bucks in a heartbeat that there was somebody at that event who was present at the Mingus fly-in on 2008/08/30 when everybody assumed that Kunio had done a hang check before moving into launch position. It's possible that Kunio himself was there. So y'all don't get a lot of points from me on that one.
P.S. I notice the conspicuous absence of your voice - and that of your lovely wife - at:
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3638
FTHI
Hang glider crash cuts power to homes
Yeah George, your lovely wife certainly saved him from injury and quite likely saved his life - THAT DAY. But by reinforcing the fucking hang check as the mechanism for verifying connection to the glider she predisposed him to getting killed the same way sometime down the road - and you should fucking know that.George Stebbins - 2007/11/28 20:14:15 UTC
A true story: A few years ago, my lovely wife was crewing for me at a local competition in Albuquerque. A pilot walked to launch and J asked if he wanted a hang check. He said "No." She said "Are you sure you don't want a hang check?" He said "No, I told you I don't want one." She said "I really think you need to get a hang check." He angrily said "All right!" and flung himself down. He impacted the ground, as he was not hooked in.
She was rude (no manners). But she certainly saved him from injury and quite likely saved his life. I can live with that.
What she SHOULD have done was say nothing about his dangling carabiner, gotten on his nose to assist him to launch, waited until he asked her to clear, then insisted that he lift the glider as high as he could.
That would've scared him SHITLESS and gone a very long way to condition him for the proper launch sequence.
Furthermore, you and your lovely wife watched virtually every glider at that competition launch minus ANY PRETENSE of a hook-in check - in flagrant violation of USHGA's most critical of all safety regulations - and said NOTHING. And I'd bet a thousand bucks in a heartbeat that there was somebody at that event who was present at the Mingus fly-in on 2008/08/30 when everybody assumed that Kunio had done a hang check before moving into launch position. It's possible that Kunio himself was there. So y'all don't get a lot of points from me on that one.
P.S. I notice the conspicuous absence of your voice - and that of your lovely wife - at:
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3638
FTHI
Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
The message is spot on; the delivery needs some work.
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Tad Eareckson
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
Show me a delivery - once some pigfucker like Tom Galvin has hardwired the rather marginal brains of typical hang gliding students - that has any but the tiniest of effect.
Put your money where your mouth is. Go to the Rocky Mountain cud chewers, register, continue the "HG accident in Vancouver" thread, and get ONE person to verify his connection within five seconds of ONE launch.
Look at my posts and tell me what I was doing wrong.
I've done a thousand times more work on this issue, defined the problems and solution ten times better, and rewired more flyers than anyone in history - and the number of people I know I've rewired is probably still in single digits.
Traffic laws are adhered to in no small part because everybody knows that the message will be delivered, ultimately, at gunpoint. And lying disingenuous pigfuckers like Tom know that they won't get very far telling the guy with the gun that it's actually safer to go through a school zone with a zero point one blood alcohol level at seventy 'cause his driving is smoother and the exposure time is minimized that way.
We need some heads on pikes to make this work. I don't know if I'll live long enough to see that happen but I'm gonna keep trying to do things to increase the probability. And pigfuckers like Tom keep giving me the little boosts of enthusiasm I need.
Put your money where your mouth is. Go to the Rocky Mountain cud chewers, register, continue the "HG accident in Vancouver" thread, and get ONE person to verify his connection within five seconds of ONE launch.
Look at my posts and tell me what I was doing wrong.
I've done a thousand times more work on this issue, defined the problems and solution ten times better, and rewired more flyers than anyone in history - and the number of people I know I've rewired is probably still in single digits.
Traffic laws are adhered to in no small part because everybody knows that the message will be delivered, ultimately, at gunpoint. And lying disingenuous pigfuckers like Tom know that they won't get very far telling the guy with the gun that it's actually safer to go through a school zone with a zero point one blood alcohol level at seventy 'cause his driving is smoother and the exposure time is minimized that way.
We need some heads on pikes to make this work. I don't know if I'll live long enough to see that happen but I'm gonna keep trying to do things to increase the probability. And pigfuckers like Tom keep giving me the little boosts of enthusiasm I need.
Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
If I were to drive up to your house, then step out and toss a cinderblock through your front window. Would you step out on the front lawn and debate me on the pros and cons of turn and learn?
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Tad Eareckson
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Re: You are NEVER hooked in.
No. I'd pick up the phone, push three numbers on the pad, the guys with the guns would show up, and the guy with the black robe would make your life miserable and make you get my window fixed. Then, with you out of the picture, I'd continue to piss all over your turn and learn approach to satisfying the hook-in check requirement.
(I SO wish we had a system like that in hang gliding 'cause it would be really cool to see assholes like Rooney, Adam, Sam, Matt, Davis, and Steve Wendt behind bars where they belong - and permanently out of hang gliding.)
But anyway...
What the hell does that have to do with my delivery of the message that THIS:
(I SO wish we had a system like that in hang gliding 'cause it would be really cool to see assholes like Rooney, Adam, Sam, Matt, Davis, and Steve Wendt behind bars where they belong - and permanently out of hang gliding.)
But anyway...
What the hell does that have to do with my delivery of the message that THIS:
is a goddam REGULATION - not a goddam request, suggestion, option, or opinion - as the scum that controls this sport is trying so desperately to portray it?With each flight, demonstrates a method of establishing that the pilot is hooked in just prior to launch.