Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/15 31:36:13 UTC
Re: last page
Thanks Tad.
I called Wingspan and told him I'd be sending him what you've captured, and he asked me to be sure to thank you. I just forwarded your message to him, so thanks from both of us.
Tad, you and I would both benefit from keeping our focus on fixing the problems where we agree. Just a thought.
Bob
...he asked me to be sure to thank you.
Well, he's quite welcome to register at Kite Strings and thank me himself. Might as well, he can't post on The Davis Show anymore.
Tad, you and I would both benefit from keeping our focus on fixing the problems where we agree.
1. Tell me how I ever get to really benefit from anything. If I win all my battles do I get to do the kind of flying I want to or score some big cash payoff? Can I go fly Torrey with a USHGA or US Hawks rating without you circulating through the setup and spectator areas cautioning everybody to keep an eye on me and and their people of varying ages?
What I'm doing here I'm doing for the benefit of hang gliding, science, fairness. Any benefit I get is spinoff. Watching weak links go up from 52 to 80 percent of my approximate target while Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney went down in flames was one of my more rewarding experiences.
2. I don't do "FOCUS". I have a topic here dedicated to ridiculing the idea of FOCUS in aviation. If I focus on fixing the problems where we agree the other 99 percent of the battlefront goes to hell.
If you want the areas of our agreement expanded you can start getting in better tune with reality and denouncing some of the scum with whom you've made alliances.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1658
Criminal Harassment on OZ Forum - Victim Banned
Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/15 22:21:06 UTC
Re: Hate Crime on the OZ Report
Moderator's Note: I've duplicated this topic in the "Hang Gliding General" forum because it certainly relates to hang gliding.
From my understanding, Davis actually told Scott that he could post things written by me.
Here's what he SAID:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log
Davis Straub - 2014/12/05 23:55:13 UTC
I am more than happy to include stories about Bob and even things that he writes in the Oz Report and here, when there is a news worthy element.
I quoted and posted it at:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post7117.html#p7117
So why do you need to talk about your "understanding"?
So Davis can't legitimately turn around and blame Scott for doing what Davis said he could do. Of course, the key word there is "legitimately".
Yeah, Bob. Look it up. See if there's some way you can get it partially established on your forum.
I have to say that it's particularly disturbing (and scary) how Davis just deletes entire topics as if the many people (not just Scott) posting their thoughts and sharing information in those discussions just don't matter.
To Davis - they don't. Ditto for his Dedicated Sycophants. Not a single word of protest over in that dump.
All those posts are now just gone. Poof.
I feel like a total idiot for not having archived those pages - as I have others, particularly ones Davis has locked.
This is very similar to what Jack has done on hanggliding.org. That's why we really need a national hang gliding forum that's accountable to its members. We're not fully there yet at the US Hawks...
Ya think?
...but we're firmly committed to moving in that direction.
Define "we", Bob. You're the only individual with a vote over there.
Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/15 22:24:39 UTC
Sam Kellner - 2014/12/15 13:41:39 UTC
it looks like the topic has been totally removed.
Is there anyone left on the planet who feels they can trust Davis Straub's site as an impartial and honest view of what's going on in hang gliding?
Anybody who trusts that motherfucker or any of the scum on speaking terms with him is an asshole who deserves whatever he gets.
... anyone?
Marc Fink. He's never been shy about sucking whatever dick appears to him to be biggest at any given moment.
Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/15 23:47:04 UTC
Up Date-
Hello All,
Last evening I was checking a thread that I had revived - over on Davis Straub's Oz Report Hang Gliding Forum. The thread was entitled "SGAA Coup d'état Almost Complete" .
An Oz Report member had replied to my earlier post. His username is BilleFly (Bill Floyd of Las Vegas, NV) and this is what he posted:
BilleFly - 2014/12/13 21:20:13 UTC
Quoting a guy from nearly 5 years ago ?
HA !!
With the name --S C Wise-- attached to the request ; "That" would be enough
to keep Me away from your Hawks .
Dude -- you got some Serious mental issues ; probably Why you hang with Bob ? !!!
Translation = you got Crap for brains .
Bille
In my wonderful State of NY the above electronically transmitted statement falls with the definition of 2nd Degree Criminal Harassment. Not such a harsh Misdemeanor crime. Usually it only (?) involves fines and/or up to two years in jail.
But such an individual as Mr. Floyd doesn't get off that easily. By including the statement, "Dude -- you got some Serious mental issues", Mr. Floyd defined his harassment as based on HIS perception of me as a person with a mental disability (i.e., "crap for brains"). In so doing, Mr. Billy Floyd elevated his harassment to the degree that it falls under NYS's Hate Crime statutes.
As a result, he is now guilty of a FELONY offense (here in NYS).
No he's not. He's INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.
His action - as taken from another State - is likely to shield him from criminal prosecution. But it does not bar me from filing a civil complaint in my local Federal Court.
And, as far as the OZ Report goes (and its publisher Davis Straub) he has responsibilities under the law to report criminal activity associated with his transmission (i.e., publication) of electronic media* - otherwise Known as "The OZ Report Web Site".
As it ends up, I responded last night to BilleFly (A.K.A. Billy Floyd) with the following message:
BilleFly,
Your post amounts to a violation of NYS Harassment and Hate Crime Laws. I will first describe such to Mr. Davis Straub. Then, I will take legal action against you personally. Since I expect that you are "out of State" these actions will be Federal in nature. If Mr. Straub declines to give me detailed information on your IP address (and other such relevant information) I will include him in any such Federal Complaint I submit. I would suggest you find an attorney ASAP.
As I understand what has happened since last night, . . .
Davis Straub has destroyed evidence connected with the commission of a felony. He (or his agents?) has done so by deleting all pages of the involved thread. Also, somewhere along the way my ability to sign into the Oz Forum has been disabled.
At this point in time it seems that Mr. Davis Straub is apparently acting to cover up Mr. Billy Floyd's criminal "tracks". And, in shutting me out of The OZ Report Forum, Mr. Straub is placing himself (to put it very mildly) in a very poor moral position.
Where he's been since the womb.
Deleting/cutting the subject of harassment from your web site, . . . ? Isn't that like killing the victim so you don't have to arrest the criminal? As things stand, The Oz Report Forum has a demonstrated record of looking the other way in regard to violations of its own Site Rules, . . . ? ? ? ?
I would finally mention that I've had recent email correspondence with The OZ Report's "Scare" about another prior personal attack on a different thread. Such attacks are supposed to be disallowed on the site. (? ? ? ?)
All depends upon who the target is.
Harassment and defamation by one member of The Oz Report against another seems to be A-Okay - over there in the land of OZ.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=592
Linknife
[* As it is sent out to and received by many individuals in many locations within the United States.]
Rick Masters - 2014/12/16 00:46:35 UTC
Sam Kellner - 2014/12/16 03:01:39 UTC
Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/15 22:24:39 UTC
... anyone?
I can't believe anyone would use that type language.
Davis had just said how Bob was banned for "personal attacks". Which I doubt is true.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=807
Banned Posts from SWTHG Forum
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/10/20 06:02:42 UTC
This topic contains posts which have been banned from the SW Texas Hang Gliders Forum at the request of their President.
This post is a log of the activities required for that removal.
October 20, 2011 - Began removal of all posts by TadEareckson.
October 20, 2011 - Finished removal of all posts by TadEareckson.
Then Bille Floyd comes off with that garbage which obviously adds up to "personal attacks" and more.
Throwing us a curve?
Honest
Impartial
If they banned members for personal attacks Bille should get the boot.
I'm glad I was able to post that one reply.
Me too, Sam. Go fuck yourself.
Rick Masters - 2014/12/16 04:50:54 UTC
When you make the monkeys mad, you know what they start throwing...
Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/16 05:36:36 UTC
And I would like to thank you for that reply! Thanks.
And I'd like to thank Sam for this:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=592
Linknife
Sam Kellner - 2010/03/28 21:41:19 UTC
Yeah, I don't even read all of those long winded "explanations".
very thoughtful reply to me. Any thoughts, Scott?
Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/16 09:06:17 UTC
I went back and dug up some of the details of my own banning back in February of 2010. Here are my thoughts from that time (February 26th, 2010):
I guess I have a new "badge of honor" to add to my list...
I replied to one of Bill Helliwell's postings on the Oz Report, and I got this PM message from Davis Straub himself:
Davis Straub - 2010/02/26 23:56:05 UTC
Subject: Stay out of the threads
Voting in the USHPA BOD and What's in the USHPA minutes.
Keep yourself to USHPA R3 forum.
Quit polluting these other threads.
If you can't stop doing this you will be stopped from making any posts here.
Apparently, Davis did not like me posting my comments to the "Voting in the USHPA BOD" and "What's in the USHPA minutes" topics. So I replied:
If Bill Helliwell can post his comments then I will post mine as well.
If you want to ban me for that, then please do so right now.
You either provide a level playing field or you don't. Make up your mind.
Davis replied almost immediately:
Okay, you are banned.
He then posted the following public message to his forum:
Bob K has been banned.
Bob dared me to ban him, so I did.
I wrote a private message to him asking him to quit polluting a couple of threads with material that belonged in the forum regarding his recall. He refused and dared me to ban it.
I did.
You'll note that I did not "dare" Davis to ban me, but I did give him the choice to either provide a level playing field or ban me. I guess banning was his preferred choice.
I will say that leading up to this, Davis had been chopping up a lot of topics and moving my posts around which made them seem out of context.
And he did EXACTLY the same thing to me.
So I had been struggling with him on these kinds of issues for some time.
I don't know what else to say at this point. I guess the lines are being drawn, and we now know where Davis stands.
Anybody with half a brain or better knew exactly where the lines were and where Davis has always stood eons ago.
So I'm not a bit surprised about him doing the same thing to Wingspan. The sport of hang gliding needs a place where pilots can talk without the fear of one person pushing the button to ban them. Right now, that's not true on the US Hawks either...
No shit, Bob.
...but it is our goal to come up with a system of due process to fix this in the future.
First person plural - as usual.
That gives me an idea.
Some time in early 2015 I'd like to start the US Hawks Forum Advisory Board.
Don't you mean, "Some time in early 2015 WE'd like to start the US Hawks Forum Advisory Board."?
The Board will make recommendations on things like banning and forum conduct.
Will any victims of any of Bob's previous bullshit bannings be permitted on the US Hawks Forum Advisory Board?
To start with, they will be just recommendations until the Board defines some process and gets some practice following them.
Who are your Dedicated Sycophants gonna practice on? Other Bob Show Dedicated Sycophants?
Then, when the Board appears to be ready...
To whom? Just kidding.
...we...
"WE" who, Bob?
...can make them the official arbiters of the forum.
Your arbitrary officials are all gonna be handpicked and given the green by Bob so why not just call them a junta?
The only tricky part is legal liability.
Good. Start throwing around threats of libel lawsuits 'cause you don't like the way somebody accurately paraphrases what you're saying and it may come back to haunt you.
Right now, as the owner of the site, I believe I'm holding the bag for any such liability.
Ya know, Bob, I've been watching glider forums for A LONG TIME - since 1995 when internet access was something of a novelty and the communications were via email list servers. And prior to you and Scott threatening to go legal on me and Bille respectively I don't recall this ever once being an issue. Maybe you can cite a precedent. (Reminds me a good bit of the 2014/12 Bob Kuczewski Mandatory Ground Handling Helmet Regulation.)
So maybe that will be the time to incorporate the US Hawks. Maybe the Forum Advisory Board will then become the actual US Hawks Board of Directors.
Any thoughts?
Sure. You're SAYING:
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions
What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.
in your mission statement but - like all other glider organizations - what you actually want is nice stupid people who go with whatever's flowing, play nicely together, speak silence to power.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/13 05:55:39 UTC
This has not been easy or fun. This has been a sad realization for me that some people are so pathological that they cannot interact reasonably with others. That's why so many societies have jails (or death penalties). At some point, they've realized that the costs of interacting with pathological people is too high to be paid. We're reaching that point.
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson
Bob Kuczewski - 2013/03/10 18:20:34 UTC
I first learned about Tad Eareckson when I was Regional Director and the USHPA Board circulated a letter he had written (with intention to send?) to the FAA about some dangerous practices in hang gliding.
The Board's knee-jerk response was to try to take some kind of legal action to silence Tad. I indicated that I thought we shouldn't be sending our lawyers in as our first response, and that maybe we should have someone talk with him first. So Dennis Pagen volunteered, and I believe the matter was settled without any serious damage to the sport.
A few years later (when I was starting the US Hawks Hang Gliding Association), I actually wrote to Tad inviting him to our forum because I wanted to incorporate diverse views in our new association. Tad joined us, and for a while things were fine. But over time, it became obvious to me that he was more interested in just bashing people than trying to actually solve problems in the sport of hang gliding. For a long time, I tried to show him kindness on our forum and I gave him a lot of slack with regard to his profanity and his comments that he wished certain people would crash and kill themselves. Eventually (and for reasons that I won't full disclose here), it became necessary to ask Tad to leave the US Hawks forum, and he is currently the only person who's been completely banned from the US Hawks.
Having said all of that, I have to add that Tad has an incredible amount of energy, and I think it would be great if the sport of hang gliding could figure out how to harness it. He's done extensive work on towing releases and he has a library of photographs related to releases. I think he brings an important perspective to the sport, but his personality is so toxic that it's very difficult to gain any benefit from it. Indeed, I consider it a failing on my part that I wasn't able to help Tad get past some of his "personality" issues and become a good contributing member on the US Hawks forum.
And that's who you're selecting for - an intellectually castrated, inbred, geriatric herd of pin benders that's become another USHPA or HGAA years before any chance of it evolving out of the grass roots dictatorship it's been for its entire four and a third years of existence so far.
You don't have any of the toxic personality types who will go out on the front lines for a scumbag like you when you're being treated in outrageous manners by other scumbags like the Jebbs, USHPAs, Jack, Davis. And I know you don't give a rat's ass but you also don't have these same toxic personality types demolishing parasites like Davis, Rooney, Trisa over the standard aerotow weak link that's precipitated about 99 percent of the crashes in the history of aerotowing.
http://www.kitestrings.org/post6803.html#p6803
At this stage of hang gliding history I know I've had an important positive impact on the sport...
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson
Alan Deikman - 2014/09/23 19:47:06 UTC
Amazing how when this topic comes up every time you see people argue the same arguments over and over again. It has been a classic (although niche) endless Internet flame topic.
I suspect that some of the parties that have posted in threads like these before are refraining now since they have learned that it is nearly (completely?) impossible to change people's minds on the topic.
For my part I will just refer you to the classic Tad Eareckson essay which I call "
the gun is always loaded" which is a bit overworked but probably all you will ever need to read regarding FTHI. A lot of people will find it gores their particular sacred Ox, but I have never seen anyone point out a flaw in his logic.
...and a record that will be difficult to erase.
Zack C - 2011/12/17 14:56:03 UTC
I don't know whether you were genuinely doing what you felt was the right thing to do or just looking for convenient justification to finally can Tad, but I believe your actions were inappropriate and set a terrible precedent for your organization.
I'm not optimistic about the likelihood of much positive coming out of what you're doing.
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Edit - 2014/12/16 18:10:00 UTC
Meant to include an email exchange between Bob and me and a further reply and some commentary at the top of this post. It's there now.
Very poor taste, Bob.