The Bob Show

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1658
Criminal Harassment on OZ Forum - Victim Banned

Rick Masters - 2014/12/16 19:25:06 UTC

Tad was an excellent example. After considerable discussion, BobK moved him to the "Free Speech Zone," a place where those who wish to be insulted are free to go. But Tad was not an example of someone with an agenda to silence another. Tad, like a teen with terrets syndrome, attacked everyone on an equitable basis. To deal with either problem requires a moderator with a cool head and some vision.

A place to avoid is mob rule by "karma." At PG Forum, the paragliding tribe runs off anyone asking uncomfortable questions or those who do not "Rah! Rah!" loud enough. No software can replace a fair moderator - that is the challenge.

Can you quote some of this "considerable discussion", Rick? Who were the participants and what were some of the better points made from within the opposing factions? Can you refer me to some of your own contributions to this "considerable discussion".

Here's the total of the "considerable discussion":

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=877
Discuss Tad here

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/09 21:58:14 UTC

I've spoken with Tad many times on the phone, and several times he's made the assertion that his presence on this forum is actually contributing to the growth of the US Hawks. I do agree that Tad has brought some people to this forum, but at the same time, I also know that he's driven (or kept) many other people away. So I haven't been able to tell if his presence is beneficial or not.

During my recent cross-country drive, I had the chance to speak with Tad again on this topic, and he again asserted that his presence (and posts) were contributing to the growth of the US Hawks more than they were harming it. So I've decided to put that assertion to the test.

Starting today (December 9th, 2011), I've restricted Tad to only posting in the "Free Speech Zone". I plan to continue that restriction for about a month to see if that helps or hurts general participation in the rest of the forum. This restriction is not intended to be any judgement on Tad or on the value of his posts. Instead, it's intended to simply answer the question as to whether Tad's presence is helping or hurting the growth of the US Hawks and the US Hawks forum (a question he posed himself). At the end of the month, I'll review the results of this restriction to see if our forum participation (measured in posting rates) has increased or not.

And when you see this dickhead spewing the crap he did concerning your rape of free speech principles you let it stand as if it were indisputable fact. Tad's a total sociopathic asshole and Bob's a visionary master moving the sport, fairness, individual freedoms, democracy ever forward.

I've spoken with Tad many times on the phone, and several times he's made the assertion that his presence on this forum is actually contributing to the growth of the US Hawks. I do agree that Tad has brought some people to this forum, but at the same time, I also know that he's driven (or kept) many other people away. So I haven't been able to tell if his presence is beneficial or not.

During my recent cross-country drive, I had the chance to speak with Tad again on this topic, and he again asserted that his presence (and posts) were contributing to the growth of the US Hawks more than they were harming it. So I've decided to put that assertion to the test.

This is why I will never talk to you on the phone again about anything. If there were a written record of our correspondence I'd be able to clearly illustrate what total loads of shit those statements are.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1648
No USHPA Email Candidate Statements this Year

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/19 04:57:19 UTC

Does this look like responsible (safe) behavior for a USPGA Regional Director -

Reaper's Makapuu Para-base jumping

pete michelmore - 2009/12/26 18:19
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31-10215
http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5629/30018304334_3a123bcbb2_o.png

Totally. Tossing a chute that low looks a bit iffy to me but that really doesn't have anything to do with Pete and the paraglider - that's Cade's business. Bit like if an ultralight hauls up a hang glider and the latter decides to pull a loop from two hundred feet.

Is this even legal?

I don't really give a flying fuck. Nobody's forcing or pressuring anybody to do anything he doesn't want to. And it wouldn't be that bad a bet that what Cade's doing is a lot safer than going out on a football field for a play. And helluva lot better outcome than it was for Joe Julik deciding to go into narrow-dry-riverbed-with-large-rocks-strewn-all-over-the-place landing mode at a hundred feet in trashy air.

Tomorrow - Research FAA parachute jumping from PGs.

Oh good. One more Bob Show solution desperately searching for a problem. Just what we need.

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/19 05:14:41 UTC

You mean this?



Not only does it NOT look safe ...

For whom, Bob? At what point? If opening a parachute that low is unacceptably dangerous are you gonna back federal regulations outlawing BASE jumping?

...it looks like a good way for USHPA to lose its FAA tandem exemption.

And that would be a BAD thing? Shut down the hang and para gliding thrill ride industry and put the emphasis back on people who want to become and are PILOTS?

Is there any way to justify this as an "instructional" flight?

1. Show me some videos of hang and/or para gliding tandems in which the "student" is learning anything one percent comparable to what he would be on solo training hill, dune, scooter flight. The thinking and statistical and anecdotal evidence is that people who are introduced to this stuff via tandem don't come back.

2. For DECADES *ALL* solo (as well as tandem) aerotow flights were "instructional". And I got news for ya, Bob... If somebody hasn't learned all the skills involved in aerotowing after four or five pulls he never will.

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/19 06:02:28 UTC

I've got this growing list of prominent USHPA members who (by way of HARD evidence) are of low moral character...

Guess my name's at the top of it, huh Scott? Who could have a lower moral character than...

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/12

We haven't been on the best of terms but I do want to say thank you for what you posted. I do appreciate your integrity and rising above our disagreement.

...an unrepentant child molester?

...and/or a threat to the USHPA's "risk management" (let's keep the Association's Insurance) efforts.

USHGA's "risk management" is to totally gut its accident reporting program, either pretend fatal crashes never happened when it can get away with it and give some total bullshit analysis when it can't, and hand out little red rubber wristbands and get members to pledge to be focused pilots.

How hard would it be to email that video to the underwriter and someone at the FAA?

Go for it, Scott. Lemme tell ya just how much gratitude you'll get from blowing the whistle on ACTUAL highly illegal AND dangerous - as well as grotesquely immoral - practices.

I think, that before this joker even takes office, a recall election should be scheduled. Forget that! Revoke his membership - ASAP.

Revoke mine too. In addition to my having the most despicable of low moral characters I did a balloon drop on equipment I developed which I couldn't get the useless goddam FAA pricks to bother certifying. And then go after everybody else, 'cept for Allen Sparks, who's ever done a balloon drop in the US - 'cause it's a real good bet that all of us, including John Heiney, are in that same boat. With a minimal amounts of probing you could probably find lotsa those people to have low moral characters as well.

Once more, this would be for the GOOD of every member of the USHPA. Stunts like this one by Pete Michelmore and "student"(?) threaten the insurance coverage and hefty membership fee increases of EVERY PILOT in the USHPA.

And a really good way to find out for sure would be to take this video and shove it in the faces of the FAA and the insurance company.
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For the stills collection of this yanked video see:
http://www.kitestrings.org/post9761.html#p9761

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1648
No USHPA Email Candidate Statements this Year

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/19 06:20:15 UTC

I run for USHPA Regional Director every year. I run on a platform of open voting by Regional Directors, fairness for Chapters, and fairness for Members.

'Cept for the ones who are onto what you're doing and won't kiss your ass on command.

If the majority of USHPA pilots wanted those things, then I would be elected.

Not by me you wouldn't. I've seen the chasm between what you say you do and believe in and what you actually do and believe in - and I'm trying to get it designated as a National Park.

Instead, I get about 1/5 up to 1/2 of the votes in our Region, but usually not enough to win.

I won't completely give up on reforming USHPA, and I will run again and again. But given the trend that we're seeing, I think it would be foolish for any hang glider pilot to keep all their eggs in the USHPA basket.

Those of us who live in areas in which aerotowing is our only practical option for getting airborne have all our eggs in one very corrupt and incompetent basket.

The US Hawks is an alternative landing zone designed especially for those pilots who want the freedom to act and fly responsibly.

And incompetent stupid scum like Sam Kellner who want to get free passes on manslaughter - same way they do with USHGA.

We may be the smaller subset of the free flight community, but then the free flight community is a very small subset of humanity. Those that like our subset will join us, and they're the people I know I want to associate with anyway.

I can name a few you don't, a few who just happen to be the kind of people with whom *I* want to associate.

Isn't it nice how that works itself out?

Great, Bob! And isn't it nice that you have a dictatorship with a basement and ban button to help it work itself out.

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/19 06:39:11 UTC

Now, . . . if only the other subset would keep jumping out of their paragliders, . . .

Yeah, that's the subset I really stay up late at night worrying about.

Rick Masters - 2014/12/19 08:06:00 UTC

That's interesting. The extreme of paragliding is taking the lead.

The extreme of EVERYTHING takes the lead. The quality and character of that extreme depends on stuff like constitutions, laws, enforcement, accountability, press, free speech, intelligence, competence, character, education.

The scofflaws. This should be fun to watch. You can see how much concern there is for the hang gliding sector. Why are Region 3 California hang glider pilots in a parachuting organization, anyway? Oh, yeah. Insurance. Really?

I don't care if it's safe or not. I think they should be allowed to do that. It doesn't bother me.

With ya there.

What bothers me is why are Region 3 California hang glider pilots in a parachuting organization? That doesn't make sense. They don't fit well together.

What bothers me is that nothing being done in hang gliding ever seems to bother you - 'specially the crap you see your Bob Show buddies pulling and getting away with.

BTW, on another thread I said don't invite the government to dinner. They wreck things. And hope they don't invite you to dinner. Well, you all are about to get a dinner invitation if you don't leave the table.

Yeah, the kind of mob rule one gets with hang gliding is just so much better than the kind of thing you'd get in sailplaning under government regulation. What place would the opinions of a Davis Dead-On Straub or Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney have in that kind of aviation?

Rick Masters - 2014/12/19 08:22:48 UTC

U$hPA has issued advisories in the past two years about skydivers jumping from paragliders. You would find them here under Media / Press Center. http://ushpa.aero


Elsewhere, motorhead Jeff Goin addresses the issue.
Sky Diving From A Paramotor
http://www.footflyer.com/PPGBibleUpdates/Chapter08/BaseJumping/PPG-BaseJumping.htm

What if he goes splat?
http://fox13now.com/2012/05/02/slc-paraglider-dies-after-parachute-malfunctions/

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/19 19:16:19 UTC

I've also been looking into the FAA Rules associated with BASE Jumpers leaping off (?) of tandem paragliders, . . . Man-O-Man are there a LOT of violations taking place during such an activity! Holly Molly!

Try looking into looking into the FAA Rules associated with hang gliders being pulled up by Dragonflies and tell me what you find.

This (soon to be) new USHPA Region 3 Director - Pete Michelmore - is a serious danger/threat to the USHPA, liability wise.

I'm amazed that he still has a valid membership with the USHPA.

In looking at the video it's very obvious that he is a HAPPY and CONFIDENT, . . . scofflaw.

Big fuckin' deal. Who's getting hurt? Compare/Contrast with that motherfucker at Lockout Mountain Flight Park who's selling a defective aerotow release all over the planet that's supposedly rated for 130 pound Greenspot and frequently locks up at same while that crap is under the legal minimum for most gliders and the USHGA SOPs specify twice weak link functionality.

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/20 07:48:43 UTC

Pete Michelmore was one of David Jebb's protégés. Check on his ratings.

OK...

Pete Michelmore - Hawaii - 63957 - P5 - 2005/06/08 - David Jebb
- FL M1 M2 TFL VA CL FSL HA RLF RS TUR XC
- ADV INST, EXAM, MINI ADMIN, MINI INSTR, ST ADMIN, TAND ADMIN, TAND INST

David Jebb issued him his P5 in 2005. During the 2008 election, Pete Michelmore put his name in the ring and then used one of his candidate statements to tell everyone to vote for David Jebb. I still defeated Jebb by a wide margin, but Pete Michelmore had shown me all I needed to see.

Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it.

I'm studying your history all the time Bob. That's how come we're never gonna have a normalization of relations.

USHPA's recent refusal to publish email statements helps keep the voters ignorant. That's yet another reason why we need a new national hang gliding association.

And if you get one established we're gonna need another new one even more.

Scott C. Wise - 2014/12/20 07:19:38 UTC

And it's hard not to look at that publicly viewable video of a newly elected USHPA Director - violating more than half a dozen FAA regulations while dropping a BASE jumping passenger from his TANDEM soaring parachute - and think, . . . "How does someone like THAT even get on the ballot?"

He's not BASE jumping. BASE is an acronym for Building Antenna Span Earth. He's skydiving from a soaring aircraft.

BTW - More than one source within the USHPA EC now have a copy of said video. Somebody at the FAA may have it tomorrow.

Sometimes the "nicest" people are law breakers.

Probably everybody you know is lawbreaker. Weed, underage alcohol, non church approved intimate relationships, undeclared income, speeding, failing to come to full stops at red octagonal signs, flying a bit too close to clouds or a bit too long after sunset...

Your buddy Bob put a bullet through a barracks wall by pulling the trigger on an unauthorized unloaded handgun that one of his buddies snuck out one Saturday morning. What do you think his background check would look like if somebody had happened to have been standing in the wrong place at the wrong time?

And let's not waste any outrage on Sam Kellner blasting his shotgun at Sharpies when you've got this guy jumping from a paraglider to worry about. Dell Schanze is international news for harassing and kicking a Barn Owl which is at least still doing OK the last we see of it but when Sam attempts to kill a federally protected raptor no fuckin' problem. Not all that impressed with your priorities, Scott.

Makes you wonder how threads of corruption can be so neatly woven into otherwise quality (community related) fabric.

Yeah right, Scott. It's not like these sports are dickhead magnets attracting a lot of the worst elements of society - 'specially to positions of control. You've got this essentially pure as the driven snow base contaminated by evil people who skydive from tandem paragliders and their aiders and abettors doing irreparable damage to the rest of us.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1648
No USHPA Email Candidate Statements this Year

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/22 07:42:55 UTC

Regarding the Michelmore video ... it didn't take long for someone to cover their tracks:

Yeah...


Reaper's Makapuu Para-base jumping

wingspan34

A now soon to be USHPA Region 3 Director, violating the USHPA's Tandem exemption? On public display no less ! ! !
What if the FAA gets sent a copy of this! And what about the USHPA's insurance carrier?
Time for a membership revocation!

Big fuckin' surprise.

Looks like he'll fit right in at USHPA!!!

Great job, Bob Show guys. Now the public has lost forever a minute and forty-two high definition seconds worth of a pretty cool video in which nobody was doing anything that was hurting anyone.

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=463
Davis Straub's "Oz Report" Conflict of Interest

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/03/09 02:33:49 UTC

This is going to sound cold, but I believe people have a right to make their own choices. I don't want a "nanny state" where anyone is telling me what I can and can't do ... for my own good. The sport of hang gliding would surely not exist if that thinking were carried to its logical extreme. There's something bred into all living things that urges them toward taking some degree of risk in their lives. Those who want to forbid that risk are essentially snuffing out the human spirit itself. I can't support that. I do support information. I support good information. I support exposing bad information. But I don't support dictating what anyone can or can't do. The fundamental principle of economics (and evolution) is two words: "people choose".

Fuckin' hypocrite.

I have a copy of the video if anyone wants it.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39919
Bob Kuczewski's video log

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/08 01:06:53 UTC

I've been reading snippets of the Oz Report via (kitestrings.org), so I don't know all that's been said. But I have seen a few quotes where people are blaming me for the new helmet rule, and I'd like to set the record straight.

My philosophy tends toward personal freedom and the accompanying personal responsibility. Let me quote Tad on this:

Tad Eareckson - 2014/12/06 19:36:05 UTC

We all have ratings which presume we know what we're doing well enough to not launch off the ramp when it's coming in at thirty and gusting to fifty or tailing at ten. I also want the presumption that I'm qualified enough to be able to evaluate a situation to determine when a helmet is advisable and when it will be of zero to negative benefit.

I agree with Tad on this when we're talking about experienced pilots. But student's don't have the experience to make that evaluation. That's why they're still students. They also don't have the critically honed ground handling skills needed to keep themselves from getting turtled, lifted, dropped, or dragged.

So until students acquire the appropriate judgment and the appropriate skills, they should be required to wear helmets whenever hooked into a glider as the new regulation states. Similarly, when instructing those same students, the instructor should be demonstrating the exact behavior that the students are expected to exhibit.

With those thoughts in mind, here's the regulation I would have drafted and passed:

"All H0/P0, H1/P1, H2/P2 pilots must wear protective headgear whenever connected to a glider. All instructional demonstrations for pilots of those ratings must also comply with that rule to set an appropriate example. It is also recommended (but not required) that all pilots of all ratings wear protective headgear whenever connected to a glider."

I am running for Regional Director in Region 3. If you think this is a good solution, I welcome your vote. If you'd like to read about some of my other positions, please visit http://www.ushawks.org/USHPA2014 .

Thanks.

Ya know, Bob...

I went from never having clipped into a hang glider or flown anything beyond a Para-Commander parachute in the course of a dozen jump skydiving career to a legitimate Hang Two rating over a span of six days. Kitty Hawk Kites, early 1980/04/02-07, five flying days, eight sessions, 43 flights, eight and three quarters minutes logged airtime.

My next flight was 1980/10/03 as a Kitty Hawk Kites uncertified/"assistant" instructor - the beginning of a stint which would last through 1980/11/23. At the end of that I'd have totaled 223 flights and a bit over two hours and twenty minutes of very hard won Outer Banks time.

I was back at Kitty Hawk - with my new used Comet 165 for the 1982 season. By the time I was able to get to the mountains (Blue Ridge) with the asshole manager of the instruction program (Mark Airey) and get the high altitude bullshit needed for a Three out of the way I had over six times the airtime required for that rating and the overwhelming majority of it was really demanding brutal dune time.

And I can tell ya that my ground handling skills were about as finely honed as they were ever gonna get at an early point in my carry back up the dune after my first flight the better part of two and a third years prior.

No wind. You carry the full weight of the glider. It's a bitch. Chances of getting turtled - extremely low.

Light wind. Nose into the wind, keep it level, let the pitch trim and the air take a bit o' weight off your shoulders. Chances of getting turtled also zero.

Moderate wind. You float the glider. Maybe from the control frame, maybe from the nose wires - where you can't be clipped in anyway. Much easier if you have someone holding one wing - and thus the other wing - level or a bit down if you're crabbing in that direction. Chances of getting turtled - close to zero.

Heavy wind, maybe turbulent. Duh.

Have I missed something? Is there anything that anyone with half a brain or better can't figure out very early on Day One?

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=25
US Hawks Training Manual Project

Not seeing anything on critically honing ground handling skills. How very odd. Well I guess when one is admirably obsessed with making his forum a safe place for people of varying ages to visit one can't cover everything.

Can ya point me to any Jack or Davis Show threads on ground handling? Anything in the Official Flight Training Manual of the U. S. Hang Gliding Association, any of Dennis Pagen's excellent books, the magazine archives? Any statements from any of your usual anonymous expert sources?

There's a pretty good chunk of the hang gliding population that gets into extensive dune, mountain, towing soaring time that never advances up the rating system beyond Two for years, decades, ever. And some of them are gonna be advanced rated in the other flavor of aviation USHGA regulates; ultralight, private, commercial, military aviation; skydiving; BASE jumping, you name it. And now they're all gonna hafta wear helmets at all times they're connected to their gliders because Bob has determined they don't have the appropriate judgment and skills required to exercise their own judgment until they get their Threes from their bullshit USHGA programs.

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Bob Kuczewski - 2013/03/10 18:20:34 UTC

I first learned about Tad Eareckson when I was Regional Director and the USHPA Board circulated a letter he had written (with intention to send?) to the FAA about some dangerous practices in hang gliding.

The Board's knee-jerk response was to try to take some kind of legal action to silence Tad. I indicated that I thought we shouldn't be sending our lawyers in as our first response, and that maybe we should have someone talk with him first. So Dennis Pagen volunteered, and I believe the matter was settled without any serious damage to the sport.

Bummer that Dennis didn't get to you before you did serious damage to the sport.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=929
Training Manual Comments / Contribution

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/01/07 17:59:55 UTC

The only Training Manual that Tad can build is the one where he has 100% control.

Coming for someone who can only establish a national hang gliding organization...

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/faq.php
Frequently Asked Questions

Is there a Board of Directors for the US Hawks?
Not yet. The HGAA's early problems arose because different people wanted to take the organization in different directions. That created power stuggles which cost the HGAA some of its early leadership. For now, I'm going to take the US Hawks in the direction that I believe is right. If people want to go along, then they're welcome. If not, there are at least two other alternatives.

...over which he has 100% control.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/31 09:25:57 UTC

See, you don't get to hook up to my plane with whatever you please. Not only am I on the other end of that rope... and you have zero say in my safety margins... I have no desire what so ever to have a pilot smashing himself into the earth on my watch. So yeah, if you show up with some non-standard gear, I won't be towing you. Love it or leave it. I don't care.

Identical stench.

Also Bob...

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic49.html
AeroTow Manual from France

You're full o' shit. I'm certainly totally closed to the idea of allowing dregs like you and your pin bending dedicated sycophants into the process but any honest competent individual with the intelligence to understand and respect Newtonian physics - like most of the active people on this list... No problem. They're gonna find mistakes I've made and we're all gonna wind up on exactly the same page with a better product.

By the way...

You have this national hang gliding association with all these USHGA rated pilots whose ratings you're recognizing unequivocally so apparently you're one hundred percent happy with USHGA's Pilot Proficiency System. Everything you have in the way of SOPs are their perfect SOPs. Pretty impressive coming out of the grotesquely corrupt organization you're always railing against.

ZERO SOPs of your own. 'Bout the only person interested in establishing SOPs for your dump was Yours Truly and you've got several members who'd have been totally happy with most or all of them. But you did nothing but thwart and sabotage all my efforts.

So when this creation of yours becomes a viable alternative to USHGA what SOPs are you gonna have in place, how will they be written, and who will have says in what they are? Or are you just gonna continue to rubber-stamp the kind of crap produced by assholes and dickheads like Dr. Trisa Tilletti?

Well over four years now with you in 100% control and you and your dedicated sycophants haven't even created a model or prototype of anything of any substance.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/11/19 17:56:05 UTC

Um .... I'm a little bit speechless!!!

I normally have a lot to say, but it seems you guys have covered the topic so well, that there's little for me to add!!

Thanks to:

RickMasters
eagle
SamKellner
BigBird
wingspan33
flyingbrian
billcummings
JoeF

Your points are all excellent!!!! So excellent that I have nothing to add right now.



I would also like to thank Tad at KiteStrings for his coverage and comments of the event. Tad and I disagree on many things. In fact, Tad has a topic titled "The Bob Show" where he takes every cheap shot he can at me. If you read that topic (currently containing nearly 330 of mostly Tad's posts) you'll find Tad using an unending stream of foul language directed at me and other US Hawks members.

Hey Bob...

When you get attacked - unfairly - on the Jack and Davis Shows and by USHGA, USHGA operatives, the Jebb Gang, the San Diego police there's always lotsa response.

You and your buddies and supporters quote the posts and messages and pick them apart point by point, counterattack, discredit the enemy forces, score lotsa points. Even Steve and I - who both hate your fuckin' guts - have done that sorta stuff on your behalf.

So how come when mostly Tad mostly rips your ass to shreds over here with "The Bob Show", 406 previous posts, probably eighteen thousand or more non robot hits, NOBODY - not you, Scott, Sam, Rick, Bill - EVER denies, contests, responds to ANYTHING? Could it POSSIBLY be that one hundred percent of mostly Tad's points, charges, attacks are totally one hundred percent ACCURATE and LEGITIMATE?

Pretty fuckin' tough to make a case otherwise - 'specially in the wake of the unqualified support you've gotten and will continue to get over this Torrey situation.

Also pretty fuckin' tough to make a case otherwise given that stuff on which I attack you is all echoed by others and also without contradiction or challenge.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1658
Criminal Harassment on OZ Forum - Victim Banned

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/18 07:42:40 UTC

I've heard this quote somewhere: "The best revenge is living well."

Maybe. Making other people's lives as miserable as possible also works pretty well - for me anyway.

I am committed to making the US Hawks into the kind of forum and association that will make us glad that we don't have to deal with Davis Straub or Rich Hass.

1. Any chance you could become committed to making it the kind of forum and association that will make us glad that we don't have to deal with Bob Kuczewski or Sam Kellner? You've already made it the kind of forum and association in which you don't have to deal with Tad Eareckson, Terry Mason, competency, Newtonian physics, principles, rules, fairness, due process, accountability, individual protections, free speech, power sharing... Shouldn't be too much of a trick for you.

2. Kite Strings is the kind of forum and association largely dedicated to dealing with motherfuckers like Davis Straub and Rich Hass. And it's done a lot of damage in the course of that mission.

Right now it is painful to be banned from those other major sites.

Awww. It's PAINFUL to have your wire cut for no legitimate reason? You have my deepest sympathy.

Me? Fuck all the other major - and minor - sites. If they weren't the kinds of places that would ban me they wouldn't be the kinds of places that would benefit from my input. If I'm gonna go to the trouble to address something I want it to count towards Kite Strings popularity and credibility - not somebody else's crappy dump.

But in the long run we will be rewarded with a new association of our own making.

1. How long? It's been over four and a third years and you haven't moved a millimeter's worth out of the realm of dictatorship.
2. Whatever "WE" will be rewarded with will be entirely of YOUR own making.

The task is similar to the one that faced the framers of the Constitution - find the right balance of freedoms that will foster human productivity and happiness.

And fuck the Bill of Rights. And make sure that Tad has zero in the way of freedoms, happiness, involvement 'cause Bob Show Bob is so deeply concerned that The Bob Show be a totally safe place for people of varying ages to visit.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8143/7462005802_bbc0ac66ac_o.jpg

That's our challenge here, and we can build what suits us regardless of what Davis and Jack do.

"US" meaning "YOU". 'Cause not a goddam thing is ever gonna happen that you personally don't want.

So you're just gonna have people in this forum and association of "ours" with the Bob stamp of moral purity, not gonna have any Tad Eareckson, Davis Straub, or Rich Hass types. How 'bout...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32059
Torrey Incident, should USHPA get involved?

NMERider - 2014/11/12 20:36:07 UTC

This is the reason Bob has been banned from most forums. He provokes and baits others just like certain others who are also banned from here and are merely PNG many other places.

...Jonathan? He seems to be totally OK with your painful bannings from the major sites. And he's already a Bob Show Member In Good Standing with privileges that Tad Eareckson and Steve Davy will most assuredly never have. And Tad and Steve respectively definitely and probably oppose your Jack and Davis Shows bannings. And Jonathan's also a member here - two posts to your zero.

You're never gonna have shit over there, Bob. The nanosecond you relax your grip - IF you ever relax your grip - the whole dump is gonna transform from a dictatorship to a USHGA II. The US Constitution has managed to work a bit every now and then because it assumed that EVERYBODY would be a Davis Straub or Rich Hass - not that nobody would. Reminds me a good bit of the only sane and effective strategy for unhooked launch prevention - always assume the worst case scenario and structure your Standard Operating Procedures accordingly.

Stick with what you're good at - conning idiots and douchebags into signing on to a dictatorship posing as a budding democratic Utopia and safe place for people of varying ages to visit.

[Steve Davy]

Don't forget Navier–Stokes equations, those are critical when deciding if it's safe to lift a glider six inches up and into the deadly turbulent jet stream.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=929
Training Manual Comments / Contribution

Warren Narron - 2012/01/06 18:55:32 UTC

Going against the grain here, but someone has to point out that the probable best candidate to write a training manual has been banned from this site.

Bob Kuczewski - 2012/01/07 17:59:55 UTC

Tad has been asked repeatedly to help with building the US Hawks and he's pretty much refused to participate. If you see something he's written that's particularly helpful, please post it. I have no problem giving attribution to Tad or his work. You can communicate with him through his forum at http://kitestrings.prophpbb.com/. I'm not trying to "erase" Tad, but I am trying to protect the US Hawks from the destructive aspects of his personality.

Ya know, Bob... On the Jack...

http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
HangGliding.Org Rules and Policies

No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.

...and Davis...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27494
The exciting bits

Steve Davy - 2012/04/27 01:55:17 UTC

Why did you delete my post?

Davis Straub - 2012/04/27 02:42:02 UTC

Tad's name.

...Shows where the Bobs In Chief have made it unambiguously clear that significant chunks of their missions are exactly to erase Tad, one can make a pretty good case that...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31781
Another hang check lesson

Alan Deikman - 2014/09/23 19:47:06 UTC

Amazing how when this topic comes up every time you see people argue the same arguments over and over again. It has been a classic (although niche) endless Internet flame topic.

I suspect that some of the parties that have posted in threads like these before are refraining now since they have learned that it is nearly (completely?) impossible to change people's minds on the topic.

For my part I will just refer you to the classic Tad Eareckson essay which I call "the gun is always loaded" which is a bit overworked but probably all you will ever need to read regarding FTHI. A lot of people will find it gores their particular sacred Ox, but I have never seen anyone point out a flaw in his logic.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39347
Please explain yourself without deleting me

Swift - 2014/09/28 16:37:50 UTC

But Tad was right all along. Long time insiders are now using 200lb test weak links. Op Op should have been writing an apology instead of a weak (link) cheap shot.

...Tad's been much less successfully erased than he has been on your dump. And none of you motherfuckers can venture suggestions that you've been erased from Kite Strings. Nowhere else on the web are you gonna find yourself more quoted - and dealt with.

Don't forget Navier–Stokes equations, those are critical when deciding if it's safe to lift a glider six inches up and into the deadly turbulent jet stream.

Yeah. The one only Bob is aware of. These Navier–Stokes equations seem to have an effect on the human brain similar to that of LSD - 'cept with acid people tend to come back down to the realm of reality after a few hours.