landing

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4611
Lollygag Landing Lament

Mike Blankenhorn - 2014/12/14 06:49:48 UTC

So I really screwed up my landing last Wednesday simply by looking in all the wrong places.

Nah.

It all started with a virtual no wind launch...

With the usual Grebloville hook-in check...

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...executed just prior to the end of the launch run.

...barely clearing the bushes. Then after a short flight I was over the LZ with enough altitude to let Ken land. But I decided to give it one more 360 and then everything just kept getting worse when I looked ahead instead of my spot. When I turned my head again, realizing I better go on base leg now I did and watched my left wingtip get too close to the little ridge in the wash. Then on final after going through the top of a bush my base tube brought me to an abrupt stop sending me through the control frame and breaking my right elbow in the process.

And on my first take I read that as your abrupt stop being precipitated by the bush. But now I see that you ACTUALLY said that AFTER going through the top of the bush your BASETUBE brought you to the abrupt stop. Meaning your basetube with nothing in the way of wheels - which everybody knows are totally useless when you're coming down in a narrow dry riverbed with large rocks strewn all over the place.

So now I am being punished for my inattention...

Let's not forget arrogance and stupidity.

...with most likely surgery (will know more Monday).
No dislocation, just the piece of bone at the tip broke in half which probably gets me metal hardware. This is simply nothing but irritating as I know better and now it takes me 20min to get dressed and can't do half the stuff I need/want to do.

Bummer dude.

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Mike Blankenhorn - 2013/03/12 03:57:34 UTC
Orange County

Suicide is highly under rated, Tad should try it, but no wait he's lost his balls!

See if you can't get some help from your testicles.

Hopefully this will all be healed in a couple of months so I can get back to the gym and resume flying again.

I can hardly wait.

Mike Blankenhorn - 2014/12/18 21:51:49 UTC

Of course none of this really happened and I was sh*t faced when I wrote it, so here is how it really went down:
I was riding my "bicycle" to the corner store when I just fell over and broke my elbow. Some say hang gliding is just as safe, I oughta try it one day.

Mike Blankenhorn - 2014/12/28 04:46:18 UTC

Surgery yesterday when I received a metal plate and screws in my elbow. All went perfect according to specialist so I should be back in the air "on bicycle" by spring.
Will post exciting x-ray when I get it.

Thank you. I'll add it to my foot landers hall of fame collection.

Mike Blankenhorn - 2014/12/29 03:23:59 UTC

Once my elbow is back in flying shape I will spend a few days at Andy Jackson big o loop to work on my landing skills...

Hit those spots and get that flare timing perfected.

...with wheels...

The wheels which would've made your narrow-dry-riverbed-with-large-rocks-strewn-all-over-the-place landing incident a nonevent. The wheels which none of you off the scale stupid Grebloville motherfuckers...

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson

Orion Price - 2013/03/11 15:12:28 UTC

Final bit of troll food, I read about Tad's reputation this morning.

Tad Eareckson is a generally discounted crackpot and internet troll. He doesn't fly and has been perma-banned from most everywhere: .org, oz report and all the local club websites with discussion forums like ours.

He has two main speaking points. 1. All HG landings should be done prone as belly landings using wheels. All other foot landings are suicidal, he will say. He schadenfreudes hard at our accidents and especially fatalities

...has even mentioned 'cause you're too fuckin' busy discussing what you're going to use as a safety mascot.

...before...

...returning my wheels to the closet and...

...returning to Kagel.
As long as I keep my eyes on the numbers I'll be fine...

Of course you will.

...and that should not be a problem after this experience.

Nah, you SHOULDN'T have ANY problems after that experience. But do make sure you have your helmet on whenever you're hooked into your glider 'cause Bob got us a new safety regulation and you're still a Two. Also make sure you've got your helmet on just prior to launch whether you're hooked in or not. From my observations I'd say that at that special phase of flight ops you're actually more likely to benefit from the helmet when you're NOT connected to the glider...

http://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5566/14704620965_ce30a874b7_o.png


...as counterintuitive as that may sound.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32307
No wind landing trouble

smokenjoe50 - 2015/01/10 04:08:02 UTC

I have about 20 no wind landings on this U2 145 all ending with the keel pogoing me over. I got this glider 2 months ago and I can't seem to get a clean no wind no step landing. I've had this happen every now and then on my sport 2 155 or my T2C 144 but never like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7iTF9GoEP8


Any advice?

Yeah. Keep doing the same thing over and over. Eventually you're bound to get better results.

Rick Maddy - 2015/01/10 04:19:01 UTC
Denver

Video from the sprog would probably make it easier to see your flare and body position.

I see them just fine. Also see that he's coming into a putting green - big surprise - in which there's zero need for an upright body position and flare. Any thoughts on that?

AirNut - 2015/01/10 06:04:51 UTC
Australia

I seem to recall that there have been cases of structural failure attributed to landing on the keel.

I snapped my HPAT 158 inside the tail wires sleeve sticking those stupid landings. (Also realized it had no bearing on my airworthiness and never replaced or repaired it.)

I'm not sure what's really happened here without a side-on view, but from the sound of (presumably) the keel striking the ground, you may want to make a careful inspection of the keel for damage.

But keep working on nailing those landings so you'll be safe coming down in narrow dry riverbeds with large rocks strewn all over the place.

In the instance I'm thinking of, the damage was up near the nose-plate, so you should probably inspect the full length of the keel. Also, the damage in that case was attributed to repeated keel landings, rather one very hard ding.

Oh. Someone who has his flare timing pretty much perfected.

As the previous poster said, a side-on view would be helpful.

Yeah, that would help open the thread up to a couple dozen foot landing experts making a couple hundred posts on hand and body position and flare timing.

airhog2007 - 2015/01/10 12:51:40 UTC

We had an in-flight (tow) failure in the NE several years back. Intersection of the keel/downtubes.

But "we" didn't consider that a major enough of an incident to merit a well publicized report? Is this a great sport or what!

Like they say, inspect that puppy!

And keep working on that flare timing. And don't ever consider wheel landings 'cause the glider's not designed for them and they put a lot of extra stress on the airframe.

Brian Scharp - 2015/01/10 16:34:50 UTC

Was the cause of the damage determined?

See the first post. Pretty good video of how that shit tends to happen.

Dennis Wood - 2015/01/10 17:38:01 UTC

hard to say for sure from that angle but..........perhaps speed still to high for that aggressive of a flair?

Ya think?

what was feed-back from bar like at time of flair?

What was the feedback from your elementary school teachers like? Nonstop praise for your nonstop excellent academic achievements?

Dave Hopkins - 2015/01/10 18:41:06 UTC

I developed a technique that would let the nose start to rotate back down as I start to descend toward the ground so the keel wouldn't drag or stick in.

Me too. I called it the "whack".

Plus I'm 6'4" so I could usually hold it up high enough.

Where platform shoes, Joe.

smokenjoe50 - 2015/01/10 21:06:09 UTC

Bar at trim glider starting to settle.

airhog2007 - 2015/01/10 22:56:54 UTC

Yeah, poking the keel into the ground. Stressed the intersection. Failed under tow, chute did its job.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22176
Paragliding Collapses

Jim Rooney - 2011/06/12 13:57:58 UTC

Most common HG injury... spiral fracture of the humerus.

And most common cause of non aerobatic structural failure... Also flare timing perfection.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32322
Bent a downtube on my first day in 2015 :^(

Joel DeWitt - 2015/01/12 06:21:53 UTC

I took the TeeToo out to the training hill, figuring I'd build up my launch/landing chops before the season starts. 2 to 5 MPH, about 30 degrees cross, 50 foot training hill. My first four flights went well. On the fifth, something went wrong with either the ground or my right downtube.

So what's that? About three bucks per vertical foot of sled ride time?

Actually, I just didn't get the glider up to speed before somehow letting it pick me up, then I mushed down the hill and had nothing to flare with.

Did you have enough to roll with?

Does four out of five count?

Sure. Just like all of Joe Julik's landings prior to his last one were nonfatal.

Should I go back for a second day, and risk another downtube?

Fer sure. How else are you planning to get your flare timing perfected?

Should I switch to paragliding?

No.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=28835
Why I don't paraglide

Tom Emery - 2013/04/17 14:29:12 UTC
San Diego

Been flying Crestline about a year now. I've seen more bent aluminum than twisted risers. Every time another hang pounds in, Steven, the resident PG master, just rolls his eyes and says something like, "And you guys think hang gliding is safer."

Why participate in a flavor of aviation in which you don't need to go to a training hill to build up your landing chops before the season starts? Besides...

Gil Dodgen - 1995/01

All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."

We really need people to fly these aircraft that are so difficult to land that if they were other aircraft no one would fly them.

I have to say, the H1s and H2s were flying really well at the training hill. I saw lots of beautiful launch & landings while I was swapping out my bent metal.

Did you see any landings as beautiful as this:

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one?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=4661
PIO on approach

Steve Murillo - 2015/01/19 18:30:36 UTC
Manhattan Beach

Malibu pilot pulls off a difficult approach. Pilot was flying an Aeros Combat from around 2001, and the rumor is that it may have been his first time on the glider. The Aeros Combat is notoriously the most difficult to fly topless glider ever made. Joey has two of them, won't fly them anymore. It appears that the pilot finds himself high on his cross to final, attempts to pull in to bring the glider down, and finds himself in an exaggerated PIO. The pilot's correct reaction is to release bar pressure and go wings level, regaining control of the glider and accepting a landing in the wash. Pilot landed with a broken downtube and some other minor damage to the glider, but not much else. In other words, he pulled it off.

Lessons: Know your glider, its handling characteristics, and your capabilities. Stay calm, and stay ahead of the aircraft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro5LS46mxdo

Malibu pilot pulls off a difficult approach.

Yes, a difficult approach...

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Never ceases to amaze me just how often you guys manage to hit your primary as often as you do.

Pilot was flying an Aeros Combat from around 2001, and the rumor is that it may have been his first time on the glider. The Aeros Combat is notoriously the most difficult to fly topless glider ever made.

Incredible that it managed to pass certification. And it was really awesome the way he was able to keep it under control all the way down until the beginning of his approach.

Joey has two of them, won't fly them anymore.

'Specially not after having watched this video.

It appears that the pilot finds himself high on his cross to final...

Any thoughts on what happened to get him there? Monster thermal? Invisible dust devil?

...attempts to pull in...

Attempts to pull in? He couldn't pull in any more 'cause he was flying pro toad?

...to bring the glider down...

Instead of just continuing his base and doubling back to kill altitude in a safe, fun, educational manner.

...and finds himself in an exaggerated PIO.

He FOUND himself in an exaggerated PIO? And here I was thinking that a Pilot Induced Oscillation was an Oscillation that the Pilot Induced.

The pilot's correct reaction is to release bar pressure and go wings level...

Isn't that somewhat dependent upon where you are and what's in front of you?

...regaining control of the glider and accepting a landing in the wash.

Well, those are inevitable. That's why we spend our entire careers crashing and breaking our arms in pursuit of perfect flare timing.

Pilot landed with a broken downtube and some other minor damage to the glider...

Are you sure? It appeared to me that the downtube was broken and the other minor damage was done as a consequence of the "landing", that the glider was OK until right after he whipstalled it to a dead stop six feet off the deck.

...but not much else. In other words, he pulled it off.

Righteous Stuff there. A real credit to his instructor.

Lessons:

Oh. There are LESSONS to be learned here.

Know your glider, its handling characteristics, and your capabilities. Stay calm, and stay ahead of the aircraft.

Hard to argue with any of that. I sure hope all you Sylmar guys are paying close attention. And remember for the other end of the flight... You've got to hook in - PERIOD.

P.S. I couldn't quite make out what kind of wheels he had installed on his basetube. Any idea what they were and, if so, whether or not they were something you, as the Sylmar Safety Director, find to be adequate?

Jim Thompson - 2015/01/20 05:21:05 UTC

Reviewing your video, it appears that the oscillations began as the pilot initiated the base leg of the approach. There is adverse yaw that briefly points the glider away from the pilot's intended final glide.

Fuck adverse yaw. For all practical purposes in hang gliding it's a term assholes try to use to impress other assholes with their keen understandings of aeronautical physics.

That devolves into the bigger swings until the near-stall that gets him turned 90 degrees off course, fortunately, away from the houses.

Where Richard Seymour was killed?

Presumably, that was the pilot's intention(?).

I was presuming that he was trying to nail a traffic cone on the putting green.

You may have noticed the scrawled sign near the rear of the park entrance sign pointing the way to the LZ proper.

Is it visible from the air? Maybe you need a bigger one.

That wasn't there until an original telltale post was shortened by a control bar and, on a separate occasion, the block wall scarred by a pilot's helmet and shoulder. I think the gliders were topless, too. And that was when the cones at 200 feet was more like a real 200 feet.

This guy's probably at least an advanced Three. I thought Three's were supposed to be able to hit within fifty feet of a spot three times in a row. If they can't even hit fields then what's the point of the rating requirement supposed to be?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40793
Wallaby video

Davis Straub - 2015/01/20 12:46:46 UTC

Bob has been down at the Ranch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew2hHwUUljQ

Yeah. Posted over a month and a half ago.

Gordon Marshall - 2015/01/22 02:52:22 UTC
York, Western Australia

nice video.
got a question-- why am I seeing so many people landing on fixed wheels on the base bar?

I dunno...
- Why am I seeing so many people who can't be bothered with the shift key and punctuation?
- 'Cause they're so much harder to mount on the kingpost and so much less effective mounted on the cross spars?

one little rut and there can be some interesting consequences.

And there are NEVER any interesting consequences...

http://www.theledger.com/article/20091116/news/911165073
Vermont Man Dies in Davenport Hang-Glider Crash

The Ledger - 2009/11/17
Jeremy Maready

Vermont Man Dies in Davenport Hang Glider Crash - Volunteer firefighter was gliding near Davenport Sunday (2009/11/15) when he hit tree, police say.

Anthony Ameo, 59, of Sheffield, Vermont was trying to land when he struck a pine tree and fell nearly 25 feet, according to the Polk County Sheriff's Office and officials at Wallaby Ranch, a facility that caters to hang gliders.

Ameo was flown to Lakeland Regional Medical Center where he died during surgery.

A friend said Ameo began hang gliding about three years ago and was practicing for his intermediate rating. He had passed a written test and was practicing for his flying test, which would measure his ability to set up a proper approach and flare the glider at the appropriate time to land on his feet.

"The transition (from flaring the glider to landing) takes a lot of eye-to-hand coordination," said Eugene Pettinato, Ameo's friend and flying partner. "That was his weakest area, I think."

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5545
"Jedi" Joe Julik - Gone But Never Forgotten

Tiffany Smith - 2014/09/30 15:28
Villa Grove

It is with a very heavy heart that I share the news of our beloved Jedi-Joe's [Joseph Julik] passing. Even as I write this I still can't believe that he's gone....so surreal....so sudden....so unfair. He meant a lot to a lot of people, spreading smiles and laughter wherever he went, would give you the shirt off his back, cook 3 meals a day for an army of many, hug you like he meant it.....this is such a terrible loss.

Joe had been at Whitewater, MN all weekend, towing and flying his happy head off. Sunday night he made a deal to purchase a Topless glider.....he was landing his first flight on it Monday morning when he stalled after transition and couldn't recover....landed hard.

...for foot landing efforts.

An instructor once told me of witnessing a double open dislocation of the wrist.

Whoa! Dude! Thanks for the heads up! I'm taking the fixed wheels off of my base bar 'cause an instructor once told you of witnessing a double open dislocation of the wrist when he caught a rut.

Castoring pneumatic wheels are...

Used by beavers.

...much more forgiving if it is essential that a wheel landing must be made (lower limb disability etc)

1. Yeah, hear that...

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...Rotor?

2. And, of course:
- the only excuses one could have for deliberately landing on wheels would be lower limb disabilities, etc.
- so much cheaper, lighter, cleaner, more easily installed than the stuff that people actually use

Always landing on wheels doesnt prepare a pilot for 'out landings' other than a nicely prepared LZ...

Only perfecting one's flare timing will do that.

...thereby limiting the desire to go cross country...

1. And, of course, the vast majority of pilots on the vast majority of their flights have the desire to go XC and land in narrow dry riverbeds with large rocks strewn all over the place and other wheels hostile environments.

2. Fuck XC.

3. You're not gonna say anything about the extreme danger of coming in headfirst?

...and as we see in the video a great 'get there itis' sets in despite the lift being flown through.

And if Bob had come up short and gone down in those pines he'd have REALLY needed top notch foot landing skills.

And trying to find some other hundred foot patch of wheel friendly terrain in central Florida? Might as well be using skis on your basetube and looking for snow.

NMERider - 2015/01/22 06:13:33 UTC

Well Gordo, Bob has a video along the lines of what you describe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B4XbeBamKY


We are an aging population of hang glider pilots here in the His Majesty's Colonies and I have seen many of my peers either quit the sport altogether or stop going X/C due to too many landing-related injuries.

Gil Dodgen - 1995/01

All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."

I have had my share of landing injuries and have flown with wheels aplenty but my burning desire to go X/C lead me to get a better grip on my landing technique...

Better grip than what? If you, a Hang Four times six with all the flying you do and all the injun country XC landings you have still need to get a better grip on your foot landing technique then what chance does anyone else have?

...so I don't have to fret about it plus I am now wheel-free although I do have larger than normal skids.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=26854
Skids versus wheels

Andrew Stakhov - 2012/08/11 13:52:35 UTC

So I just came back from flying in Austria (awesome place btw). Stark difference I noticed is a large chunk of pilots choose to fly with skids instead of wheels. Conversations I had with pilots they say they actually work better in certain situations as they don't get plugged up like smaller wheels. Even larger heavier Atosses were all flying with skids. I was curious why they consistently chose to land on skids on those expensive machines and they were saying that it's just not worth the risk of a mistimed flare or wing hitting the ground... And those are all carbon frames etc.

Lack of scooter tow operations or quick turnaround flight parks may be a contributing factor in pilot difficulties in keeping their landing skills up to snuff on topless wings.

Yeah, this is why we all got into the sport - so we could spend two weekends a month on scooter tows and training hills to keep our foot landing skills keenly honed.

The topic has been beaten to death and beyond on bulletin boards...

1015 posts as of this one.

...and LZs...

Putting greens or narrow dry riverbeds with large rocks strewn all over the place?

...yet the same issues remain.

And...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31884
Sad Loss to the Entire Free-Flight Community

NMERider - 2014/09/30 16:25:19 UTC

http://www.rmhpa.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5545
"Jedi" Joe Julik - Gone But Never Forgotten

... nobody's talking about the fact that this guy died for the sole reason that he rotated to upright at a hundred feet over the Whitewater Happy Acres putting green.

There is no substitute for repetitive practice and it's just really difficult to get at least where I live and fly.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings

Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC

I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.

Gordon Marshall - 2015/01/22 06:46:39 UTC

Oh well, as long as someone recognises the skills to foot land a hang glider are valuable.

To:

- assholes like:

-- Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight who run landing clinics

-- Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney who get deified for writing encyclopedias of one-size-fits-all XC landing techniques that can only work on putting greens in smooth air after tons of practice

- downtube salesmen

- orthopedic surgeons

- funeral homes

the video of the how not to do it clearly shows a complete lack of feeling for trim and a total lack of flare, attempting to run out a landing when you don't even know how much energy is left in the system is just asking for a face plant.

From a guy with twenty years or so in the sport. Astonishing that he's remained so clueless for so long.

we developed a 'training trailer' that gave students a very good feel for trim, resulting in our aluminium expenditure going to zero.

1. And they're not wheel landing at your heavily rutted LZ so you're also not witnessing a lot of double open dislocations of wrists.
2. Oh good. If we have good feels for flying at trim our foot landing problems are over.

really helps pilots to brush up if they are having issues.

Really? I'da thunk that once somebody attained a good feel for flying at trim his foot landing issues and need for wheels of any kind would be totally and permanently over.

Steve Forslund - 2015/01/22 07:33:11 UTC

There is no substitute for repetitive practice and it's just really difficult to get at least where I live and fly.

brhmm? Still have the atv and lower launches at Andy Jackson. Seems like way better than most areas for practice.

Especially on really good XC days so you can get really good practice landing in light switchy stuff while all your undisciplined and irresponsible buddies are cruising around at cloudbase all day - the way wheels faggot Bob Grant was in his video.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32322
Bent a downtube on my first day in 2015 :^(

Rodger Hoyt - 2015/01/12 08:46:23 UTC

The training hill is paradoxically the most demanding place to fly. Close proximity to the ground the entire flight. Precise handling required.

Upright in upright-only hazing harnesses so precise handling is physically impossible.

Launch and landing all within seconds and no time to plan.

Forced foot landings which...

Gil Dodgen - 1995/01

All of this reminds me of a comment Mike Meier made when he was learning to fly sailplanes. He mentioned how easy it was to land a sailplane (with spoilers for glide-path control and wheels), and then said, "If other aircraft were as difficult to land as hang gliders no one would fly them."

...are so difficult that lotsa folk won't fly hang gliders.

I can't believe students survive it.

1. But all of them, of course, DO. There's never once in the recorded history of hang gliding been an incident in which a student was seriously injured in the training hill phase and permanently left the sport. That just happens after people get to Hang Three level and beyond.

2. And why do we foot launch them on tow when the vast majority advanced flyers wouldn't dream of hooking up without a cart or launch platform?

Safest place to warm up? A high mountain with lots of time to flail around the sky and get the feel of things before having to set up an approach.

How much good does that do students? Can you think of stuff we can do to make training easier, safer, more productive and fun for them?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78wN5cD51Js
Sled run at Lake George

Nic Welbourn - 2014/11/08

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78wN5cD51Js


"A good pilot spends their life perfecting launch and landing"...

1. And no time at all working on English, science, math, logic.

2. How come one never hears the same rot about dolly launching, towing, dune gooning, thermalling, aerobatics, approaching?

3. So if a good pilot's life was very:
- short as a consequence of a launch or landing issue it was because of inability to perfect a skill which - by definition - is impossible to perfect.
- long it was because either:
-- he totally lucked out
-- perfect launch and landing skills don't really matter
-- there's not all that much to launches and landings

4. Damn! I can certainly see why you Aussies need to perfect your foot landing skills. That continent of yours is just one giant narrow dry riverbed with large rocks strewn all over the place.

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It would be totally insane to even think about rolling it in anywhere.

They say a good pilot spends his life perfecting launch and landing... something I aspire to.

1. Who the fuck is "THEY"? They say you should always thank the tug pilot for intentionally releasing you, even if you feel you could have ridden it out - he should be given a vote of confidence that he made a good decision in the interest of your safety. You gonna gear your aviation career on whatever some undefined and unidentified collection of assholes spew as their opinions?

2. Oh. You ASPIRE to spending your life perfecting launch and landing. Great... knock yourself out, have fun, enjoy the processes. I put the basics behind me on Day 5 and aspired to launching and landing as little as possible and staying up as long and high as possible.

3. Seriously? That's why you got into hang gliding? Your childhood dream was always to spend your whole life perfecting your launch and landing skills? You watched birds leaving and returning to the ground and your dreams were set for life? Seeing any eagles or condors getting their kicks that way?

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40871
Why did Matt place those cabins there?

Davis Straub - 2015/01/26 12:58:29 UTC

So he could sell more spare parts?

Man Crashes Hang Glider Into Cabin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbuSyJiFvVo
Spartak300 - 2015/01/24
dead

Yeah. Same reason you and your Quest buddies force everybody up on standard aerotow weak links and bent pin pro toad "releases".

Thanks to Bruce Mahoney.

Yeah. Enjoyed the aftermath stuff we didn't see in the original.

http://www.kitestrings.org/post6892.html#p6892

Patrick Halfhill - 2015/01/26 18:54:09 UTC

That's a pretty big field

Obviously not quite big enough for Lockout trained and certified pilots.

Fuck you, Pat.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40871
Why did Matt place those cabins there?

Angelo Mantas - 2015/01/26 22:22:26 UTC
Chicago

A better question; how is it this guy can apparently fly a glider, yet losses all control upon trying to land it?

He doesn't loss anywhere near as much control as Joe Julik did - and he walks away. But who is it we're still talking about?

That freakin' LZ is HUGE.

He wasn't taught to hit a huge freakin' LZ. He was taught to hit a traffic cone.

[Tad Eareckson]

Hang glider crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFr11s0FLD0
Ignacio Galaz (zopilote) - 2015/01/25
dead

So far thirteen posts on The Jack Show...

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32369
Cross controlling bad approach & crash on a topless.

...a shitload more on the YouTube page - not a single comment on the absence of wheels or skids.