http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1787
USHPA Expulsion Proceeding
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/23 17:31:56 UTC
Well ....
Between the time that Phil posted his message (9:52 am) and the time of this message (10:31am)...
How come you don't use Greenwich, Bob? California ain't the center of the goddam Universe.
Jack Axaopoulos (operator of hanggliding.org) had already removed Phil's entire topic. He didn't just bury it in the basement. He completely removed it.
In another current topic on his site, Jack Axaopoulos continues to compare hanggliding.org to his own "his living room". That's a nice metaphor and it certainly gives Jack the right to do what he pleases to his "guests".
Without whom HIS fuckin' "living room" would be a total ghost town.
But if you ever wonder why the sport of hang gliding is in such dire straights, you can see the answer right there in Jack's metaphor. The sport of hang gliding deserves an open discussion forum that's NOT in someone's living room.
Including/'Specially YOURS.
Rick Masters - 2015/03/23 17:49:27 UTC
I've been studying this odd effect for some time. Free-flight moderators seem to become like jealous mother monkeys, determined to protect their helpless and innocent wide-eyed little ones from the disturbing knowledge that the tigers are eating them on the other side of the island - but not in their own shady corner of the coconut grove.
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/23 18:28:53 UTC
I wish it were that innocent.
Jack isn't suppressing information to protect his members. He's suppressing it because he hates me and he hates the US Hawks.
Let's not forget T** at K*** S****** and related people.
He hates us because we present a threat to his domination of hang gliding discussion forums.
Jack makes money from the ads on his forum, and he loves to advertise hanggliding.org as "The web's # 1 hanggliding website" (it's right on his front page). Jack also craves the control that he has on his site.
Tell me how the level of his control of The Jack Show is different from your level of control of The Bob Show.
That's why he killed the HGAA back in 2010. It would have been a competitor to him and he wouldn't control it because we were setting it up as a democracy with a Board of Directors.
How's things going with The Bob Show Fake Board of Directors half a decade later?
As a side comment, I'll note that Tad (kitestrings.org) also openly hates the US Hawks (for different reasons).
Totally excellent ones, Bob. Find a few people who'd argue otherwise.
But Tad has the decency to recognize and speak out when injustices are being committed - even to people he dislikes.
Even in defense of motherfuckers who've done pretty much the exact same things to him.
I have to give him credit for that.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1638
Basement Bob
Steve Davy - 2014/11/19 22:49:49 UTC
Tad has always been fair to you, Bob. You're just too twisted to realize that.
As for Davis, he just does what he feels is in his own best interests. I don't think he harbors the hate that Jack does, but he recognizes that USHPA has power and he wants to benefit from doing their bidding from time to time. But he'll play both sides if he feels it's in his own best interests.
Well, that's my view of this jungle landscape. : )
Warren Narron - 2015/03/23 19:11:04 UTC
Jack Axaopoulos' censorship and banning was borne out of fear and cowardice years ago.
Jack used to be quite outspoken in his younger days on the old hang gliding list: utah.edu.
I've had many discussions there with Jack that Jack couldn't control.
That's why he banned me from .org years ago. It's the competitive coward's way out.
When you can't win one way, change the rules.
He learned from Davis.
Who'd Bob learn from?
Reinventing and controlling the game makes them winners.
Their first bannings may have been fraught with trepidation but their adrenalin buttons were also fed.
It's an adrenalin rush. Coming off the high, there is need for another and another. Much like a serial murderer.
Now it's getting easier and easier for Jack and he needs more and more of that rush to validate himself.
Political correctness was designed for this sickness and Jack Axaopoulos is now on a roll.
In another current topic on his site, Jack Axaopoulos continues to compare hanggliding.org to his own "his living room".
That's the legal property rights consensus at this time but maybe not in the future when Obama's internet control kicks in.
But if you ever wonder why the sport of hang gliding is in such dire straights, you can see the answer right there in Jack's metaphor. The sport of hang gliding deserves an open discussion forum that's NOT in someone's living room.
Welcome to the US Hawks!!!
Except for those that you have thrown out of the living room.
Who? Sam Kellner? Charlie Schneider? Peter Birren?
Notice any adrenalin like rush that tempts you again?
P.S. Thanks again for making that effort to spread the word Phil.
Too bad it didn't have any effect, Phil.
Other than to put you on Jack Axaopoulos' short list for future bannings...
P.S. I edited all of Bob's clapping emoticons, just like Jack Axaopoulos edited all the effort Phil had in posting it.
I don't think you really understand these emoticons. All Bob and Sam hafta do is click the images.
I do have to admit, it is a bit of a rush...
And a huge service to the reader.
Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/23 19:27:42 UTC
Very good analysis and insights into human nature Warren. I agree with you 100%.
Notice any adrenalin like rush that tempts you again?
No. But I do recognize the weakness in all of us to want our way.
I don't want "MY" way, Bob. I'm totally happy with Sir Isaac's. And until you start getting into irrelevant - for the purposes of aviation - quantum stuff there are no weaknesses.
That's why I've been working to build up our...
Your.
...Trial...
Fake.
...Board of Directors so we can do better than Jack or Davis or Tad - who have all banned more people from their forums than we have.
1. Who's "WE", Bob? Who other than Bob has banned anyone from The Bob Show?
2. Don't you dare lump me in with those two total pieces of shit.
3. I've banned three assholes from Kite Strings - none of whom ever had the slightest interest and/or legitimacy in being here. No comment should be necessary on Sam. Your piece o' shit buddy OP came here under false pretenses for the sole purpose of being banned.
And your primary contribution to and interest in Kite Strings was posting Homosexual-Relationship-With-A-12-Year-Old-Boy spam. Un fucking believable. And even with that I've unbanned you but asked you not to post.
There's only one real person (believed to not be a spammer or sock puppet) who's been banned from the US Hawks and that's Tad.
1. Who's BEEN banned? YOU banned me, motherfucker?
2. What was the justification for banning Tad? I never seem to be able to remember. Did he break some rule? Can I see a copy?
3. And you've got Steve Davy so crippled he might as well be banned.
I got no "adrenalin rush" from that, and I've wished many times for a better solution.
Bullshit.
If you have one...
I gave you one, you pretended not to be able to understand it and asked me to clarify, and I told you to go fuck yourself.
...please post it for the Trial Board of Directors to consider.
Fuck your Fake Board of Directors and their considerations.
That's the constructive way to help build the US Hawks.
And let's not forget the Emperor Bob telephone screenings and loyalty oaths.
Warren Narron - 2015/03/24 06:11:39 UTC
Tad has told you how to let him post and protect people of varying ages and the answer is also within your own words.
1. Bob has no more interest in protecting people of varying ages than he does in protecting people of consistent ages. He just exploits people of varying ages to help him get away with doing something despicable under the pretense of doing something noble. And...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1701
Complaints about Tad
Rick Masters - 2015/01/16 18:59:15 UTC
He has concerns about people trying to muck up the forum, but he has also dealt effectively with Tad.
...that's totally fuckin' obvious to everyone and his dog.
2. Bob pretends to be all about freedom, democracy, majority rule. Well under that crap I've had ZERO legal restrictions on communicating, associating, working with people of varying ages under any circumstances for DECADES. But Emperor Bob knows better. Or maybe it's just what Emperor Bob...
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=908
Janis Ian - At Seventeen (Live, 1976)
Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/22 18:01:13 UTC
I believe that Tad took advantage of that boy and is justifying it with the same logic that he uses to justify everything else he says or does. That's where I drew the line.
...BELIEVES. But what the hell. Anything Emperor Bob BELIEVES should be more than good enough for all us democracy muppets.
Hey Bob, donchya think that if I were the sorta person inclined to take advantage of people I'd be having a fuckin' field day with what the Jebb and U$hPA gangs are doing to you right now?
3. Bob's gonna totally ignore your post exactly the same way he totally ignored my proposition and unbanning of him here because if he doesn't he's totally fucked.
