Wire crew
Davis Straub - 2015/06/24 13:03:32 UTC
Trained?
http://www.facebook.com/idelvan.rosal/videos/vb.100003437126394/386619664795934/
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Jerry Forburger - 2015/06/24 17:40:31 UTC
Wire Man "Klutch"
Well, I heard this sound the other day,
I was takin' my Duck for some thermal play,
When outta the blue , to assist my fling,
Came wire man "Klutch" - and the wire went 'BING'.
Wire man, wire man
Please let me go,
Can't you see that I'm out here to Jump this Duck?
Wire man, wire man
If you don't let go,
I hope that you are paid up on your luck.
From the looks of the sky, the lift was there,
The cycle started up and I yelled 'CLEAR'
The nose man dropped and so did one wing,
But "Klutch" - he's real slow - and the wire went 'BING'.
Well, I fought the turn, as life unwound,
There was tubing on rocks - crashin' all around,
But when things stopped, so that I could see,
There was old "Klutch" still holdin' on to me.
Wire man, wire man
Please don't let me go,
Kite's busted and I'm feelin' a little stiff,
Wire man, wire man
If you let me go,
I'm surely gonna slide right off this cliff..
Well the Duck was new - Orange, like fall,
Two hundred battens- and I had'em all,
"Hey, help me launch" don't sound like much,
But be careful who you ask, and remember old "Klutch".
Atol
Janica Lee - 2015/06/24 18:19:52 UTC
Symmetry
Hear, hear re: the last sentence in Jerry's post above.
Yesterday geared up to launch into a coastal shear + asked the closest senior pilot to help wire me off.
Asked him to be on my nose wires - that way he'd be forced to let go before I take off (no danger of him hanging on like the person on the video pilot's left wing) + his assistance on the nose will be symmetrical.
He was adamant about being on a side wire because according to him he'd have more control over the wing. <-- Exactly NOT what you want for any member of your wire crew in my opinion. The PIC should have complete control.
I ended up refusing his help rather than risk the asymmetrical assistance + possible battle of wills about who has final "say" on when the wing launches.
It's my humble opinion that careful assessment/selection of your wire crew's ability **as well as personality** is just as important as your pre-flight.
Hate to break this to ya, Janica, but the air at launch ain't always symmetrical. If it were there wouldn't be many situations in which you'd NEED crew.Symmetry
Fuck that sonuvabitch.Hear, hear re: the last sentence in Jerry's post above.
Good choice.Yesterday geared up to launch into a coastal shear + asked the closest senior pilot to help wire me off.
- If he's:Asked him to be on my nose wires - that way he'd be forced to let go before I take off (no danger of him hanging on like the person on the video pilot's left wing) + his assistance on the nose will be symmetrical.
-- a senior pilot he probably doesn't NEED to be FORCED to let go before you take off.
-- on your nose what's forcing him not to shove your nose straight up?
- What's forcing you to not verify that he's off your wire the instant before you commit?
- You think the total idiot on the video pilot's left wing was a senior pilot?
- Symmetrical assistance on the nose works just great for symmetrical conditions.
- What site was it? Makapu'u? Where the wind in front of the ramp is blasting straight up and you actually NEED a nose man?
But that was just his OPINION. Absolutely NOTHING to do with lever arm length, mechanical advantage, Newtonian physics, applying countering force at the point you NEED countering force.He was adamant about being on a side wire because according to him he'd have more control over the wing.
Fuck your OPINION. Only total IDIOTS have OPINIONS. That's EXACTLY what the JOB of the crewman is, ya stupid bitch. TO HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER YOUR WING THAN YOU DO. And whether you like it or not... ANYBODY on a crew - nose, tail, wings left and/or right - WILL have MORE CONTROL OVER YOUR WING THAN YOU DO. Ever hear of LEVERAGE? Or were you out sick all of fourth grade? Anybody at any wire position has the power to prevent you from flying or put you off at an attitude that WILL ensure an extremely short flight and CAN preclude your survival.<-- Exactly NOT what you want for any member of your wire crew in my opinion.
Yeah, she SHOULD. Definitely. Fuck Mother Nature. So if you have COMPLETE CONTROL then how come you're soliciting wire crew?The PIC should have complete control.
- Yeah, you DEFINITELY don't want ASYMMETRICAL ASSISTANCE in ASYMMETRICAL CONDITIONS. Gawd only knows what could happen.I ended up refusing his help rather than risk the asymmetrical assistance + possible battle of wills about who has final "say" on when the wing launches.
- I'd have beat you to that mark by several miles. I'da told you to go fuck yourself and fired up my GoPro.
- Did you check your six just before you launched to make sure nobody could run up behind you and grab a sidewire?
- So you were happier with NO help...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxHEMyRZXI
...than you would've been with the deadly ASYMMETRICAL help. Great call.
- Which means you don't do hook-in checks - big fuckin' surprise.It's my humble opinion that careful assessment/selection of your wire crew's ability **as well as personality** is just as important as your pre-flight.
- **AS WELL AS PERSONALITY**. If you have no fuckin' clue what you're doing and there's a SENIOR PILOT around with a different take then obviously there's something wrong with his PERSONALITY.
Here's Eric Hinrichs working with li'l Ashley Strahl on Day One:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oyDBpMKomw
Why don't you go lecture him some on the dangers of asymmetrical assistance and getting on the right page with respect to your **PERSONALITY**.
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Big fuckin' surprise. You both have the same Proficiency Rating.Jim Gaar - 2015/06/24 18:30:33 UTC
Just sayin'...
Agree with your thinking...
Fuck you anyway, Rodie....however, even with an asymmetric wire crew, as PIC one should be in a position that allows oneself to observe a wirecrew's procedure, and with hesitation clear "both" wings prior to launch (visually) then launch safely. If one could not stand in place with wings level long enough to clear the wire crew and make a visual confirmation of that request one might be flying above ones abilities based on conditions.
Since when?Janica Lee - 2015/06/24 18:53:29 UTC
Good point, br, but I think...
Pick one: risk management or individual preference. Find me something from REAL aviation in which the terms "risk management" and "individual preference" are mentioned in the same paragraph. Run the same drill using OPINION as a substitute for the second term. Risk management and individual preference are POLAR OPPOSITES....it's more an issue of risk management + individual preference.
- 'Specially when both individuals involved are...Some things I see others do but deem too risky for my comfort level:
- take a single wire crew assist on a side wire
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3914/14557534537_684991ece8_o.png
...SENIOR PILOTS.
- You'd rather see NO wire crew...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxHEMyRZXI
...than just one sidewire guy.
- Well yeah. As long as you've got BOTH sidewires that's SYMMETRICAL and therefore perfectly OK. OBVIOUSLY if it's SYMMETRICAL they're either both gonna hold on or both gonna let go at the same instant.
- 'Cause you've done a careful analysis of launch crash statistics and determined that aerotow launching is at least ten times more dangerous than slope launch - and there's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the pilot can do to affect those odds.- aerotow
- And you're totally cool with OTHER flavors of towing 'cause no fuckin' way can the senior pilot on the other end of the string do to you anything that you can't handle in THOSE environments.
Where do you get your weed? I've never been able to get my buzzes to last more than two or three. I'm almost always straight again by the time I land.- smoking 420 or drinking 12 hours before launch
'Cause your nylock might vibrate all the way off the treads. But whipstalling to a dead stop on the old Frisbee in the middle of the runway?- flying with a safety ring missing
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=21088
What you wish you'd known then?
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22176Doug Doerfler - 2011/03/02 05:24:44 UTC
Nothing creates carnage like declaring a spot landing contest.
Paragliding Collapses
No problem. I totally DESPISE assholes like you.Jim Rooney - 2011/06/12 13:57:58 UTC
Most common HG injury... spiral fracture of the humerus.
And going XC without taking a day each to watch the locals land in all of the ten doable fields along your intended route.- flying a new site without taking a day to watch the locals fly it first
That's OK, Janica. We have the picture....and on and on.
I totally agree. I'd fuckin' slash my wrists if I weren't as different from you as possible in as many ways as possible.Thank goodness we are all different in more ways than one.
Let's not forget...That's what makes life interesting
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...death.
That would never have happened save for individual preferences, humble opinions, different personalities. That one is HANDS DOWN the most interesting single event in the history of the sport.
- Brian Horgan. Big fucking surprise.Janica Lee - California - 92449 - H3 - 2013/12/23 - Brian Horgan - FL AWCL CL FSL HA TUR
- Did some OTHER total moron sign you off for AWCL?
Yeah Steve. You should read his:Steve Corbin - 2015/06/25 02:54:40 UTC
Jerry's poem is just too damn good!
- account of Eric Aasletten's 1990/07/05 Birrenator induced inconvenience fatality at Jerry's Hobbs ATOL FunFest
- explanations that:
-- high line tensions reduce the pilot's ability to control the glider
-- the killer "lockout" is caused by high towline tension
- defense of Wills Wing auto detaching nose wires on the gliders they don't design or sell to be towed
Sure hope I live long enough to read something INTERESTING about one of HIS flights.
Ya know, Janica... It's a real good idea not to trust the motherfuckers in this sport. They're the ones who qualify and tolerate assholes like you as a case in point. But there are SOME things that you CAN, SHOULD, MUST trust them to do and not do. Examples:
- sabotage gliders in manners that preflight checks won't reveal
- stretch wires across landing patterns
- pull down on your tail as you start to run off a cliff
- deliberately fly into you in a crowded thermal
- let go of your glider on the ramp during a 25 mile per hour blast
- fix whatever's going on back there by giving you the rope
If you can't trust a Hang Four to hold your wing level while you're prepping for launch and let go and stay clear after you've said "Clear!" then how come you're trusting the people who instructed and rated you, instructed and rated your instructors, designed and certified your glider, ANYBODY about ANYTHING?
Me? I just want someone with some common sense on my wing and I'll be more than happy if he uses it at any time the glider's within safe reach to save or optimize my takeoff. But I've never had my head way up my ass with all this "PILOT IN COMMAND" bullshit the way you do.
And how come you've got all this time to write all about this asshole who appears to have known EXACTLY what he was doing and acted TOTALLY APPROPRIATELY and not two seconds to write about this u$hPa child murder that went down three months minus two days ago and the massive cover-up conspiracy that followed?
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Edit - 2015/06/25 17:20:00 UTC
Amended a video and comment.
