The Bob Show

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Re: The Bob Show

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Tad Eareckson wrote:I edited Jonathan's last name out of your post because:
- he asked me not to use his full name on the forum because he didn't wish to be so easily googleable
- it's no great secret what his last name is to anybody in the game anyway
No problem. I edited it back in. You and I have had the courage to use our real nanes for decades. Who does Jonathan Deytch think he is that makes him so special?

You have no justification to liberally and abusively use the real names of everyone you hate and yet protect the likes of Jonathan Dyetch. Are you going to make a special Jonathan Dyetch rule? Are you going to re-re-ban me for using "Jonathan Dyetch"? So much for any credibility on this forum.

If Jonathan Dyetch has moderator priviledges ... be sure you're doing regular backups. He got an entire topic deleted from the SHGA to protect his negligence. One of the things that I've admired about your forum was the integrity you've had regarding people's posts. As far as I can tell you've had a perfect record ... until now. Such a shame to see you lose that for Jonathan Deytch ... especially when he allows his full name to be used on hanggliding.org. It's in the same topic quoted here. Who would have thought the Jack Show would have more integrity than the Tad Show?
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Are you sure that's how he spells his real nane?
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<BS> wrote:Are you sure that's how he spells his real nane?
I believe it's the spelling used on hanggliding.org. If you have a suggested correction, it's certainly welcome. Tad is very thorough about naming names on this forum, so you can check with him. Of all people, someone with moderator priviledges should be properly identified.
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bobk wrote:
<BS> wrote:Are you sure that's how he spells his real nane?
I believe it's the spelling used on hanggliding.org. If you have a suggested correction, it's certainly welcome.
You've decided on one?
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<BS> wrote:
bobk wrote:
<BS> wrote:Are you sure that's how he spells his real nane?
I believe it's the spelling used on hanggliding.org. If you have a suggested correction, it's certainly welcome.
You've decided on one?
Check the topic on hanggliding.org or ushpa.aero and get back to me.
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bobk wrote:
<BS> wrote:
bobk wrote:
<BS> wrote:Are you sure that's how he spells his real nane?
I believe it's the spelling used on hanggliding.org. If you have a suggested correction, it's certainly welcome.
You've decided on one?
Check the topic on hanggliding.org or ushpa.aero and get back to me.
What topic?
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Re: The Bob Show

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Tad posted a reference to it here:
bobk wrote:
Tad Eareckson wrote: http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=34985
Low Turns to Final
NMERider - 2016/12/30 20:34:52 UTC

This was John Kelly Harrison, an experienced pilot/instructor from Kamuela, and 11-year-old Arys Moorhead, passenger. This accident was clearly the last straw for our liability carrier and obviously what lead to our becoming self-insured.
Jonathan Dyetch has become another mouthpiece for USHPA propaganda. They'd much rather blame a dead pilot for their uninsurability than blame an active money making operation like Torrey Pines. Harrison gets the blame (even though there was no lawsuit/payout) while it's business as usual for the Torrey conce$$ionaire.

Follow the money.
It's a long topic and I don't have time to track it down. You can search for it if Jack hasn't covered it up already.

It is ironic that Tad goes to great lengths to find and expose the true identities of people on other forums, but he explicitly edits posts to protect the names of his cronies here on KiteStrings.
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Edited Jonathan's last name out of three bobk posts. Banned bobk. 2017/06/20 03:52:41 UTC
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Make that four bobk posts. I had missed Bob's 2017/06/19 17:23:30 UTC post.
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Had nearly completed a response to Bob's 2017/06/19 17:23:30 UTC but had to roll for dinner and then things spun out of control. So picking back up.
No problem. I edited it back in.
We'll see whether or not it stays there.
You and I have had the courage to use our real nanes for decades.
I don't necessarily think that use of a real nane is an act of courage or concealing one's identity is an act of cowardice. Hang gliding is a war zone and we've got participants who will happily put tons of people in the air with deadly defective training and equipment rather than admit that they're incompetent and negligent - knowing that a certain percentage of them will die.

I use my real nane because I:
- believe I can be most effective under it
- don't really have any choice anyway - anybody with half a brain or better would be able to spot my literary fingerprint in a nanosecond

I also use fake IDs to access information at sites from which I've been banned with less than zero justification but I don't post and have zero inclination to.

Some members here conceal their identities:

- 'cause they want to be able to continue their flying careers and not be retaliated against by the corrupt criminal monopoly that controls this sport

- in order to infiltrate enemy positions as described above
Who does Jonathan Deytch think he is that makes him so special?
Someone who's contributed to the mission and made what I considered a reasonable request for reasonable reasons about which I'm not concerned.
You have no justification to liberally and abusively use the real names of everyone you hate and yet protect the likes of Jonathan Dyetch.
1. Who says I need any? Kite Strings was founded as a dictatorship and has never made any pretense of being anything else. But I'm comfortable enough with its contributors to share real power/control. Compare/Contrast with US Hawks - a perpetual dictatorship masquerading as a democratic utopia.

2. Yeah, I've got good reason to hate cowardly sniping little mainstream shits like peanuts AKA Dennis Wood. Got a problem with that? Get fucked.

3. Two different spellings of his last name in the space of two sentences.

4. Protecting him? From what? Go to his second to last post here:

http://www.kitestrings.org/post10247.html#p10247
2017/06/18 00:10:27 UTC

It links to an article he published in u$hPa's current magazine issue.

How:
- much of rocket scientist have ya gotta be to get his last name with its correct spelling?
- secretive is he really being about his actual identity?
Are you going to make a special Jonathan Dyetch rule?
Probably. It's a dictatorship and I can do whatever the fuck I feel like.
Are you going to re-re-ban me for using "Jonathan Dyetch"?
Nah. You're already banned for posting an excessive amount of Homosexual-Relationship-With-A-12-Year-Old-Boy spam back in 2012.
Rich Hass - 2015/04/12

In a subsequent restraining order hearing initiated by Air California Adventures against Mr. Kuczewski, the judge watched Mr. Kuczewski's own video of the confrontation and commented that Mr. Kuczewski's behavior was "just totally unacceptable behavior".
I just decided to reconnect your wire as a courtesy on the condition that you didn't post here.
If Jonathan Dyetch has moderator priviledges ...
You can check that yourself:

http://www.kitestrings.org/group4.html
...be sure you're doing regular backups.
I've been backing up / archiving the forum since Day One. Slipped up a few times and lost a few photos and videos but still pretty complete.
He got an entire topic deleted from the SHGA to protect his negligence.
Must've had some help. I notice you're not saying, "He deleted an entire topic..."
One of the things that I've admired about your forum was the integrity you've had regarding people's posts. As far as I can tell you've had a perfect record ... until now.
Then you can't tell all that well. I've edited tons of posts and quotes to:
- fix spelling and grammar errors
- clarify meaning
- amend with links to sources
- standardize format

But I don't EVER:
- alter meaning/intent
- erase history
Such a shame to see you lose that for Jonathan Deytch ...
Damn. There goes all my credibility. I guess standard aerotow weak links really DO increase the safety of the towing operations.
...especially when he allows his full name to be used on hanggliding.org.
What makes you think he's got a choice there?
It's in the same topic quoted here. Who would have thought the Jack Show would have more integrity than the Tad Show?
1. Nobody - at any point in the history of Kite Strings. And that's an absolutely ridiculous and obscene charge. Not all that surprising though - when one considers how readily and happily you jumped into bed with that motherfucker in your first effort at founding an alternate national hang gliding association.

2. The Tad Show?

- At Tad's Hole In The Ground there are nineteen other individuals with the power to wipe this forum off the map. Authors HAVE edited and deleted their own posts but there is ZERO evidence of anyone maliciously deleting or altering so much as a punctuation mark of another author. Find another forum with a comparable level of trust and shared power.

- Also note that only one topic here, Skyting, is locked and it's only locked because its an archive of Donnell Hewett's Skyting newsletter and not a discussion.
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