Any opinions on the USHPA cover of the April issue?
With you so far.David Brose - 2014/04/04 16:02:24 UTC
Humboldt
My opinion is that it is a great choice for a cover photo.
Yeah...Dynamic, thrilling ,
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32318
Lock Out
Totally.Alan Deikman - 2013/06/03 20:56:58 UTC
That picture will give me nightmares.
So this is totally new phenomenon that nobody's ever seen before. Otherwise emergency scenarios like this would be covered in the excellent training programs at Wallaby, Quest, Florida Ridge, Lockout, Foothills, Currituck, Manquin, Campbell Field, Ridgely, Morningside, Cloud 9, Hang Glide Chicago, Whitewater, Cowboy UP......has a good story to learn from...
OK... So tell me what it is somebody's learned from this one? One thing? 34 posts so far in this idiot topic on this idiot incident and what's someone supposed to emulate or do differently? Did I miss something?
Oh....skilled pilot...
- So what special skills do you think we should be working on? This one?:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31052
Poll on weaklinks
Probably not. I don't recall him mentioning it. Too bad - if ever there were a good time...Brad Gryder - 2013/02/21 23:25:31 UTC
There's also a way to swing your body way outside the control frame so it stays up there while you reach out with one hand and release. Come on - do some pushups this winter. See if you can advance up to some one-arm pushups.
- So can you list some pilots with the requisite skills to handle a situation like that?
- What do you think wankers like Eric Aasletten, Mike Haas, Zack Marzec should've been working on for better outcomes?
- Lemme tell ya sumpin', douchebag...
There are very few fifteen year old kids I can't take off the street and have flying down the dune using two hands on the basetube better than Steve Pearson, Mike Barber, John Heiney will ever be able to do with one hand on the basetube.
Here's what Steve Pearson has to say with respect to glider control and landings:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27086
Steve Pearson on landings
So what do you think his take would be for one hand on the basetube and the other making the easy reach for the "release" with a locking out glider?Steve Pearson - 2012/03/28 23:26:05 UTC
I can't control the glider in strong air with my hands at shoulder or ear height and I'd rather land on my belly with my hands on the basetube than get turned downwind.
Note that even Ryan Instant-Hands-Free-Release Voight:
http://vimeo.com/26210217
28-04208
http://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1551/25962165725_29efd47b80_o.png
tends to keep both hands on the basetube during critical phases of flight.
- I was under the impression that...
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31052
Poll on weaklinks
...a Rooney Link eliminates the requirement for skill in a towed pilot. He was using a Rooney Link so why should skill have been an issue?Jim Rooney - 2013/03/05 01:32:20 UTC
Btw, it's nothing to do with you "counting" on the weaklink breaking... Its about me not trusting you to hit the release.
If it were only about what you want, then you could use what you like.
You want the strongest weaklink you can have.
I want you to have the weakest one practical.. I don't care how much it inconveniences you.
I don't trust you as a rule. You Trust you , but I don't and shouldn't.
What? Did a routine aerotow using Industry Standard equipment SCARE you?...scary...
http://www.shga.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=3840
[TIL] About Tad Eareckson
Grow a pair, dude.Orion Price - 2013/03/13 05:52:48 UTC
Tad really has no testicles. He says he had one surgically removed. However we all know they took both out.
Imagine living most of your life with no testicles.
To expose to or hide from the public. That is the question....controversial...
Oh. A REAL situation that happenS. So this wasn't just some freak, one-off, Zack Marzec thing. So why is there anything to learn from it?...a real situation that happens...
- Wouldn't it have been better to learn from the previous times it's happened?...and good to learn from .
- Do you think the aerotowing industry is totally unaware of the previous times it's happened? Why do you think we didn't learn everything we'd have needed to before we got our AT ratings signed off?
Dumber than any other aspect of this thread? How?The PG vs. HG squabble is dumb.
What's it matter?That needs it's own forum/website. Like something http://www.pgvshg.org/forum
This thread has probably by now just about outlived the attention spans of the Jack Show crowd. The issues should've been:
- "Pro towing" is total bullshit. A glider cannot be safely towed one point by any one of any skill level. And you're attributing a high skill level to this motherfucker.
- This "easy reach" rot:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1143Towing Aloft - 1998/01
Lockouts do not just magically happen to snatch a glider from the sky. They are generally progressive events originating from situations that can usually be terminated.
Death at Tocumwal
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=14230Davis Straub - 2006/01/24 12:27:32 UTC
Bill Moyes argues that you should not have to move your hand from the base bar to release. That is because your natural inclination is to continue to hold onto the base bar in tough conditions and to try to fly the glider when you should be releasing.
pro tow set-up
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25435Ryan Voight - 2009/11/03 20:51:52 UTC
My whole point is that people tend to "hang on" too long trying to save things, rather than recognize a bad situation and release (one way or another), go back, and reset.
I'm not saying wait until you're so locked out you're passed 90 degrees bank and then pitch up to break the weaklink and do half a loop into the ground. I'm saying get the hell off way before that, and if you can't let go you CAN pop the weaklink pretty easy... they're weak after all
I'm done with this thread. Went from a good discussion RE: one barrel or two, and became a "the sky is falling and towing is death" tyrade. If you don't want to tow, don't... let other's do what they want. Live and let live my friend.
Raunchy Day At The Ridge + Release Failure
from these dickheads needs to go back down into the toilet and stay there.Diev Hart - 2012/03/06 01:06:39 UTC
Right there (I think) is the main issue...some pilots think they can fix a bad thing and don't want to start over.
- This rot:
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846Towing Aloft - 1998/01
Weak links very clearly will provide protection from excessive angles of attack, high bank turns and the like for this form of towing.
Is this a joke ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn4cTQH743EJim Rooney - 2011/08/26 02:44:10 UTC
The "purpose" of a weaklink is to increase the safety of the towing operation. PERIOD.
42-05328
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7309/11414153476_3ca8cc4036_o.png
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35257
The student on tow
http://www.wallaby.com/aerotow_primer.phpJim Rooney - 2013/12/21 21:51:46 UTC
Thank you for seeing the wisdom in an actual "weak" link.
I'm sorry you had to learn it the hard way.
Thank you again for posting this so that people can understand the severity of the decision to fly with stronger "weaklinks".
Aerotow Primer for Experienced Pilots
...from just about any motherfucker in the upper ranks you wanna name needs a stake driven through its heart. Using 130 pound test fishing line to increase the safety of the towing operation because it MIGHT help in a lockout situation makes as much sense as having lotsa trees in the LZ 'cause one of them MIGHT snag somebody having a control problem and prevent him from slamming in.The Wallaby Ranch Aerotowing Primer for Experienced Pilots - 2014/04/05
If you fail to maintain the correct tow position (centered, with the wheels of the tug on the horizon), the weak link will break before you can get into too much trouble.